Mock Off-Season: Day 1

sportscrazy · Post #401 » by **sportscrazy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:27 am

pacers33granger wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Pacers
No Free Agents Signed (Gordon interest in offer if cap space is created)
Resulting Cap Space: $4 Million

I believe we should have enough to make the offer without creating space (unless I'm reading Smitty's sheet incorrectly, which is entirely possible).

Here's how I have our space based on a 94 mil cap:

10 guaranteed contracts = $71,014,557.00
2 non-guaranteed contracts picked up = $2,030,931.00
1 cap hold (Mahinmi) = $ 7,600,000.00
Total = $78,614,557.00
Space = $15,385,443.00

Which now that I look at it I must have something wrong because Smitty has our cap space as $11,048,493.00. But either way renouncing Hill should allow us to keep Mahinmi's cap hold and still offer Gordon 12 mil.

Sorry, I saw you wanted to keep Mahinmi and didn't mention Jordan Hill either way.

Unless a player being renounced was specifically mentioned, I include their cap holds on these projections so Hill was on that number.

Post #402 » by **pacers33granger** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:29 am

sportscrazy wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Pacers
No Free Agents Signed (Gordon interest in offer if cap space is created)
Resulting Cap Space: $4 Million

I believe we should have enough to make the offer without creating space (unless I'm reading Smitty's sheet incorrectly, which is entirely possible).

Here's how I have our space based on a 94 mil cap:

10 guaranteed contracts = $71,014,557.00
2 non-guaranteed contracts picked up = $2,030,931.00
1 cap hold (Mahinmi) = $ 7,600,000.00
Total = $78,614,557.00
Space = $15,385,443.00

Which now that I look at it I must have something wrong because Smitty has our cap space as $11,048,493.00. But either way renouncing Hill should allow us to keep Mahinmi's cap hold and still offer Gordon 12 mil.

Sorry, I saw you wanted to keep Mahinmi and didn't mention Jordan Hill either way.

Unless a player being renounced was specifically mentioned, I include their cap holds on these projections so Hill was on that number.

Ah there's the problem. I noticed Smitty had Jordan Hill already renounced so I neglected to include that.

Soulyss · Post #403 » by **Soulyss** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:36 am

Brutal... Blazers can't even sign a free-agent in a Mock off-season! :waaa:

Back to the drawing board... Round two!

Post #404 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:38 am

sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:Suns
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $20 Million

Phoenix Cap Space...with all the current contracts, including all options/guarantees I exercised, according to this http://www.basketballinsiders.com/phoenix-suns-team-salary/ I had 58.3 million. Now I'm not sure how much the rookie holds are, and I can't tell if those have been worked into Smitty's spreadsheet. But without them, if the cap is approximately $94 million, that leaves me with around $36 million in cap space. I think the rookie holds are probably around $7-$8 million, so that would drop it to $28 or $29 million, but the Tucker/Chandler for Kanter trade shaved about $500K off the books, so it should probably land me with about $29 million in cap space.

sportscrazy · Post #405 » by **sportscrazy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:53 am

bwgood77 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:Suns
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $20 Million

Phoenix Cap Space...with all the current contracts, including all options/guarantees I exercised, according to this http://www.basketballinsiders.com/phoenix-suns-team-salary/ I had 58.3 million. Now I'm not sure how much the rookie holds are, and I can't tell if those have been worked into Smitty's spreadsheet. But without them, if the cap is approximately $94 million, that leaves me with around $36 million in cap space. I think the rookie holds are probably around $7-$8 million, so that would drop it to $28 or $29 million, but the Tucker/Chandler for Kanter trade shaved about $500K off the books, so it should probably land me with about $29 million in cap space.

Smitty731 wrote:.

No cap holds were waived and the only move was Kanter for Tucker/Chandler so far. Where is my math wrong?

bdpecore · Post #406 » by **bdpecore** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:57 am

Soulyss wrote:Brutal... Blazers can't even sign a free-agent in a Mock off-season!

Back to the drawing board... Round two!

Any interest in Monroe now that you lost out on Whiteside?

Soulyss · Post #407 » by **Soulyss** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:58 am

bdpecore wrote:
Soulyss wrote:Brutal... Blazers can't even sign a free-agent in a Mock off-season!

Back to the drawing board... Round two!

Any interest in Monroe now that you lost out on Whiteside?

Possibly.. I need to touch base with Philly first to see if they are willing to do a S&T for Crabbe.

sportscrazy · Post #408 » by **sportscrazy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:58 am

bwgood77 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:Suns
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $20 Million

Phoenix Cap Space...with all the current contracts, including all options/guarantees I exercised, according to this http://www.basketballinsiders.com/phoenix-suns-team-salary/ I had 58.3 million. Now I'm not sure how much the rookie holds are, and I can't tell if those have been worked into Smitty's spreadsheet. But without them, if the cap is approximately $94 million, that leaves me with around $36 million in cap space. I think the rookie holds are probably around $7-$8 million, so that would drop it to $28 or $29 million, but the Tucker/Chandler for Kanter trade shaved about $500K off the books, so it should probably land me with about $29 million in cap space.

I copied Smitty in the previous post to answer my question. I will let you know what he says.

Warriorfan · Post #409 » by **Warriorfan** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:59 am

[quote="sportscrazy"]Day 1 Results:

Note: These cap space results are just a rough estimate that include cap holds that have not yet been released.
If you don't see a free agent on this list he has not accepted or declined any offers yet.

Hawks
Darrell Arthur accepts 3/30 Offer
Resulting Cap Space: $26 Million

Celtics
Pau Gasol accepts 2/$52.8 Offer with second year team option
Resulting Cap Space: $3 Million

Nets
Sergio Rodriguez accepts 2/12 Offer
Resulting Cap Space: $53 Million

Hornets
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Bulls
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Cavaliers
LeBron James accepts 1+1 MAX
Richard Jefferson accepts veteran minimum
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Mavericks
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $52 Million

Nuggets
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $24 Million

Pistons
Marreese Speights Accepts 4/48 Offer with a team option on year 4
Donald Sloan Accepts 3/9 Offer
Resulting Cap Space: $5 Million

Warriors
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Rockets
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $24 Million

Pacers
No Free Agents Signed (Gordon interest in offer if cap space is created)
Resulting Cap Space: $4 Million

Clippers
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Lakers
Hassan Whiteside Accepts MAX Offer
Evan Turner Accepts 4/48 Offer
Marcelo Huertas Accepts Full Bird Right 2 Year Offer
Tarik Black Accepts Full Bird Right 2 Year Offer
Resulting Cap Space: $20 Million

Grizzlies
Mike Conley Accepts 5 Year MAX
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Heat
No Free Agents Signed (Dwyane Wade Is Interested In Offer, But Wants To Leave Cap Space Options Open)
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Bucks
Jared Dudley Accepts 4/40 Offer with a player option on year 4
Langston Galloway Accepts 3/15 Offer
Resulting Cap Space: $4 Million

Timberwolves
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $23 Million

Pelicans
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $0 Million

Knicks
Dwight Howard Accepts 4/112 Offer
Has Until End Of Day 2 To Match Bucks Offer to Langston Galloway
Resulting Cap Space: $4 Million

Thunder
Kevin Durant Accepts 1+1 MAX
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Magic
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $43 Million

76ers
Allen Crabbe Accepts 4/60 Offer
Resulting Cap Space: $33 Million

Suns
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $20 Million

Trail Blazers
No Free Agents Signed
Has Until End Of Day 2 To Match 76ers Offer to Allen Crabbe
Resulting Cap Space: $17 Million

Kings
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $16 Million

Spurs
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $8 Million

Raptors
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $0

Jazz
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $25 Million

Wizards
Bradley Beal Accepts MAX Offer (Waits Until the $5 Million Remaining Is Spent To Make Official)
Bismack Biyombo Accepts 4/60 Offer
Resulting Cap Space: $5 Million[/quote
]
Thanks for putting this together. Deals were realistic.

Post #410 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:03 am

sportscrazy wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:Suns
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $20 Million

Phoenix Cap Space...with all the current contracts, including all options/guarantees I exercised, according to this http://www.basketballinsiders.com/phoenix-suns-team-salary/ I had 58.3 million. Now I'm not sure how much the rookie holds are, and I can't tell if those have been worked into Smitty's spreadsheet. But without them, if the cap is approximately $94 million, that leaves me with around $36 million in cap space. I think the rookie holds are probably around $7-$8 million, so that would drop it to $28 or $29 million, but the Tucker/Chandler for Kanter trade shaved about $500K off the books, so it should probably land me with about $29 million in cap space.

Smitty731 wrote:.

No cap holds were waived and the only move was Kanter for Tucker/Chandler so far. Where is my math wrong?

I guess I need to know what you are looking at....current space on Smitty's spreadsheet? Because it doesn't appear to be in season space...and I don't think I have any cap holds left, unless you are talking about the draft picks, but I know their salaries. In season space jumps to like $34 million.

dremill24 · Post #411 » by **dremill24** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:07 am

sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:

Spurs
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $8 Million

Do i just renounce the rights to Duncan to get his cap hold off the books since hes retired?

Post #412 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:08 am

dremill24 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:

Spurs
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $8 Million

Do i just renounce the rights to Duncan to get his cap hold off the books since hes retired?

And I take it if free agents that didn't sign have just rejected the offers?

sportscrazy · Post #413 » by **sportscrazy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:09 am

dremill24 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:

Spurs
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $8 Million

Do i just renounce the rights to Duncan to get his cap hold off the books since hes retired?

I automatically included retired players being renounced.

sportscrazy · Post #414 » by **sportscrazy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:10 am

bwgood77 wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:

Spurs
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $8 Million

Do i just renounce the rights to Duncan to get his cap hold off the books since hes retired?

And I take it if free agents that didn't sign have just rejected the offers?

Yeah some free agents are going to hold out as the bigger names get signed to create a bidding war from the remaining desperate teams with cap space.

tmorgan · Post #415 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:17 am

Happiest player (ugliest contract) of Day 1 has to be Speights.... yikes.

(no offense, stylesofpunk... do your thing and have fun!)

Post #416 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:18 am

sportscrazy wrote:Yeah some free agents are going to hold out as the bigger names get signed to create a bidding war from the remaining desperate teams with cap space.

Makes sense, but from that realistic point you were looking for, I think Teletovic signs with the Suns barring a mega offer. He loves it there and they love him. I guess we will see what happens.

dremill24 · Post #417 » by **dremill24** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:25 am

sportscrazy wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:Day 1 Results:

Spurs
No Free Agents Signed
Resulting Cap Space: $8 Million

Do i just renounce the rights to Duncan to get his cap hold off the books since hes retired?

I automatically included retired players being renounced.

Ok..well my count of Aldridge, Anderson, Green, Kawhi, Mills, Parker, and Simmons plus holds for Boban and Manu comes out at $75,151,005 plus $983,400 salary (hold?) for draft pick D. Murray, plus $2,717,355 in holds for being 5 guys under the minimum 12 ..which makes $78,851,760..which on a $94mil cap leaves $15,148,240 in space. This is all while renouncing Duncan, Bonner, West, Miller, Martin.

I'll admit im not a cap guru and not overly familiar with deciphering Smitty's spreadsheet so i apologize if i missed something but thats where i see a bit of a discrepancy.

The Beam King · Post #418 » by **The Beam King** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:24 am

dbrandon wrote:
Streakers33 wrote:
dbrandon wrote:
No.

What would interest u in a trade for him?

The only reason for me to send Millsap out is if I think I can land a solid center in trade or FA and a good SF in trade or FA. One of the two. I'd be losing my primary scorer.

Id be willing to part woth koufos possibly

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Post #419 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:38 am

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:
dbrandon wrote:
Streakers33 wrote:

What would interest u in a trade for him?

The only reason for me to send Millsap out is if I think I can land a solid center in trade or FA and a good SF in trade or FA. One of the two. I'd be losing my primary scorer.

Id be willing to part woth koufos possibly

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Thanks, but we're already set at backup.

sportscrazy · Post #420 » by **sportscrazy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:09 am

dremill24 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
Do i just renounce the rights to Duncan to get his cap hold off the books since hes retired?

I automatically included retired players being renounced.

Ok..well my count of Aldridge, Anderson, Green, Kawhi, Mills, Parker, and Simmons plus holds for Boban and Manu comes out at $75,151,005 plus $983,400 salary (hold?) for draft pick D. Murray, plus $2,717,355 in holds for being 5 guys under the minimum 12 ..which makes $78,851,760..which on a $94mil cap leaves $15,148,240 in space. This is all while renouncing Duncan, Bonner, West, Miller, Martin.

I'll admit im not a cap guru and not overly familiar with deciphering Smitty's spreadsheet so i apologize if i missed something but thats where i see a bit of a discrepancy.

I re-ran the numbers (rookie salaries and cap holds count towards the roster spot) and think I know where I messed up. The spread sheet has you with the full MLE which counts against the cap so when you get more cap space than the value of the full MLE, it switches to the cap MLE which does not count against the cap. I also think I was confusing Tim Duncan's cap hold and player salary. When I fix these, you have $17 Million in cap space. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.