Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

MEDIC · Post #681 » by **MEDIC** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:17 am

Baiting

CoachJReturns · Post #682 » by **CoachJReturns** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:06 am

Consisting he's a terrific athlete and was mainly a hustle big in college with a developing offense game, I don't think saying he probaby has less than great bball IQ is some outrageous statement. And I mean knowledge more than feel, though the two likely feed off one another. Guys who've been playing a long time have experienced more situations and can use those references to make quicker decisions. This applies to any skill. Not just baketball. This is what I think of when I say bball IQ. The ability to make the right decision quickly which csn be improved over time. Though some never make great strides which is hard to figure.

Post #683 » by **JYD** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:22 am

He's a hustle player and may be somewhat limited offensively, but he seems to be pretty smart on the floor. The ball doesn't stick with him, he finds open spaces on offense, and also doesn't try to do too much. Defensively he seems in control and in position mostly.

When I first saw him play he reminded me of Pape Sow, who had a similar build and physical talent and motor. but I'd say Siakam has better hands and touch around the basket and solid court vision, and a better feel for the game generally.

T-d0t · Post #684 » by **T-d0t** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:40 am

Excited for the pick, Toronto loves their hustle bigs

dorkestra · Post #685 » by **dorkestra** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:00 am

He will hit the boards hard if nothing else. I think he's good guy to roll the dice on considering it was end of the 1st round.

Rustyman · Post #686 » by **Rustyman** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:12 am

Baiting

Kabookalu · Post #687 » by **Kabookalu** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:25 am

The fact that he has a good feel for the game makes his lack of shine leading up to the draft even more puzzling. An athletic beast with a 7'3 wingspan with a good IQ, and can add a good jumper later down the line, is arguably a lottery pick. If his age is really what scared most teams away from even considering him in the first round, I hope these idiots keep their jobs, that way we can keep nabbing up these awesome prospects with our later picks in the future.

Naysorn · Post #688 » by **Naysorn** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:36 am

Choker wrote:The fact that he has a good feel for the game makes his lack of shine leading up to the draft even more puzzling. An athletic beast with a 7'3 wingspan with a good IQ, and can add a good jumper later down the line, is arguably a lottery pick. If his age is really what scared most teams away from even considering him in the first round, I hope these idiots keep their jobs, that way we can keep nabbing up these awesome prospects with our later picks in the future.

They passed on Powell because of age too.

Boogie! · Post #689 » by **Boogie!** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:54 am

Naysorn wrote:
Choker wrote:The fact that he has a good feel for the game makes his lack of shine leading up to the draft even more puzzling. An athletic beast with a 7'3 wingspan with a good IQ, and can add a good jumper later down the line, is arguably a lottery pick. If his age is really what scared most teams away from even considering him in the first round, I hope these idiots keep their jobs, that way we can keep nabbing up these awesome prospects with our later picks in the future.

They passed on Powell because of age too.

im super worried that powell is not gonna be given a chance to develop in our current system... it sucks that we have a high level prospect in our midst and hes not gonna be given a chance to develop because our team's future is centred around a mediocre player, that happens to play his position... not only that, hes behind another overpaid, slightly overrated player in carroll, whos gonna get minutes simply by merit of his reputation and contract status... if it wasnt for carroll getting hurt, we mightve never seen what powell is capable of, and now that we have, its disheartening to know that his development is gonna be stifled behind two overpaid, overrated players...

CunningLinguist · Post #690 » by **CunningLinguist** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:07 am

Getting back to Siakam, I think his biggest struggle early will be strength. I've seen him get outmuscled on the boards at times. He'll also have to adapt to a man defense scheme as New Mexico State played mostly zone. It'll take time to learn when to help and when to stay on his man. He has shown me that he can stay in front of smaller players on the perimeter when asked to do so.

I think he needs to work on his touch around the hoop, as he misses some gimmies at times.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #691 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:39 pm

So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?

CunningLinguist · Post #692 » by **CunningLinguist** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:56 pm

Choker wrote:The fact that he has a good feel for the game makes his lack of shine leading up to the draft even more puzzling. An athletic beast with a 7'3 wingspan with a good IQ, and can add a good jumper later down the line, is arguably a lottery pick. If his age is really what scared most teams away from even considering him in the first round, I hope these idiots keep their jobs, that way we can keep nabbing up these awesome prospects with our later picks in the future.

I would say age is one factor and level of competition and amount of exposure would have influenced his draft stock too.

mad-man · Post #693 » by **mad-man** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:01 pm

Boogie! wrote:
Naysorn wrote:
Choker wrote:The fact that he has a good feel for the game makes his lack of shine leading up to the draft even more puzzling. An athletic beast with a 7'3 wingspan with a good IQ, and can add a good jumper later down the line, is arguably a lottery pick. If his age is really what scared most teams away from even considering him in the first round, I hope these idiots keep their jobs, that way we can keep nabbing up these awesome prospects with our later picks in the future.

They passed on Powell because of age too.

im super worried that powell is not gonna be given a chance to develop in our current system... it sucks that we have a high level prospect in our midst and hes not gonna be given a chance to develop because our team's future is centred around a mediocre player, that happens to play his position... not only that, hes behind another overpaid, slightly overrated player in carroll, whos gonna get minutes simply by merit of his reputation and contract status... if it wasnt for carroll getting hurt, we mightve never seen what powell is capable of, and now that we have, its disheartening to know that his development is gonna be stifled behind two overpaid, overrated players...

That's what kills me about this team. We have the chance to do what many would agree is the right thing and move forward without Derozan. But fans here are so insecure about other players leaving (Carter and Bosh) where the situations were so different that some believing paying Demar needs to happen to change the perception. As a fan, it's hard to watch.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #694 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:08 pm

Boogie! wrote:
Naysorn wrote:
Choker wrote:The fact that he has a good feel for the game makes his lack of shine leading up to the draft even more puzzling. An athletic beast with a 7'3 wingspan with a good IQ, and can add a good jumper later down the line, is arguably a lottery pick. If his age is really what scared most teams away from even considering him in the first round, I hope these idiots keep their jobs, that way we can keep nabbing up these awesome prospects with our later picks in the future.

They passed on Powell because of age too.

im super worried that powell is not gonna be given a chance to develop in our current system... it sucks that we have a high level prospect in our midst and hes not gonna be given a chance to develop because our team's future is centred around a mediocre player, that happens to play his position... not only that, hes behind another overpaid, slightly overrated player in carroll, whos gonna get minutes simply by merit of his reputation and contract status... if it wasnt for carroll getting hurt, we mightve never seen what powell is capable of, and now that we have, its disheartening to know that his development is gonna be stifled behind two overpaid, overrated players...

You forget Ross too. Also Cojo plays minutes at the 2 as well as the 1, especially late. As far wing minutes go, Powell is caught behind DD/Carroll/Cojo/Ross. Wright, who's also 24, is behind Lowry/Cojo at the pg spot for the next few years. If Powell takes over Ross's place and Ppat remains Pf off the bench where he's more comfortable, that puts Ross a 10 million dollar 9th man, who would barely play.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #695 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:09 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?

I wonder if there could be a delay in him getting his visa to come here? Either that or maybe Masai is working on getting him in a Huestis type situation where he doesn't sign with us right away, and we maintain that capspace for the time being while Paskal develops with the 905.

MEDIC · Post #696 » by **MEDIC** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:16 pm

JYD wrote:When I first saw him play he reminded me of Pape Sow, who had a similar build and physical talent and motor. but I'd say Siakam has better hands and touch around the basket and solid court vision, and a better feel for the game generally.

That was the first player I thought of as well based on the initial footage that I saw.

Watching a bit more, it's obvious that PS is more skilled than Pape & will probably improve quite a bit more over the next several years. It's amazing that he basically developed a decent jump shot over one summer.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #697 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:17 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?

I wonder if there could be a delay in him getting his visa to come here? Either that or maybe Masai is working on getting him in a Huestis type situation where he doesn't sign with us right away, and we maintain that capspace for the time being while Paskal develops with the 905.

Maybe, but that's a lot of risk for a player. He can only get 25,000 to play in the D league if we don't sign him. Also his agent should not let him sign that, when if he does his homework, he'd see that with the two more first round picks next year, we have more players due for guaranteed deals, than we'd have roster spaces. If you're a young guy on the Raps, you have to be very wary of being burried before you ever get your chance.

Boogie! · Post #698 » by **Boogie!** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:32 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
Naysorn wrote:They passed on Powell because of age too.

im super worried that powell is not gonna be given a chance to develop in our current system... it sucks that we have a high level prospect in our midst and hes not gonna be given a chance to develop because our team's future is centred around a mediocre player, that happens to play his position... not only that, hes behind another overpaid, slightly overrated player in carroll, whos gonna get minutes simply by merit of his reputation and contract status... if it wasnt for carroll getting hurt, we mightve never seen what powell is capable of, and now that we have, its disheartening to know that his development is gonna be stifled behind two overpaid, overrated players...

You forget Ross too. Also Cojo plays minutes at the 2 as well as the 1, especially late. As far wing minutes go, Powell is caught behind DD/Carroll/Cojo/Ross. Wright, who's also 24, is behind Lowry/Cojo at the pg spot for the next few years. If Powell takes over Ross's place and Ppat remains Pf off the bench where he's more comfortable, that puts Ross a 10 million dollar 9th man, who would barely play.

i didnt forget ross... i didnt include him because hes not who powell is stuck behind and he is not the one that will be limiting powells minutes... casey hasnt been afraid to substitute powell for ross when the situation called for it... he did it against indiana... ross also played significant time during the regular season in place of carroll and did well... again he was a part of our best 5 man lineup... but carroll and demar are guys that will get their minutes no matter what because casey trusts them more, and they are the real reasons why powell wont get a chance to develop... and powell is more than just a spot up shooter and 3 and d guy... in fact, its arguable that hes not even a natural spot up shooter at all... that was never his skillset coming into the league... the fact that he can make 3s is a bonus, but again the sample size is still small and he doesnt have the stroke of a gunner... powells overall development depends on his ability to be a ballhandler, and he will never be that guy here.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #699 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:46 pm

Boogie! wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
im super worried that powell is not gonna be given a chance to develop in our current system... it sucks that we have a high level prospect in our midst and hes not gonna be given a chance to develop because our team's future is centred around a mediocre player, that happens to play his position... not only that, hes behind another overpaid, slightly overrated player in carroll, whos gonna get minutes simply by merit of his reputation and contract status... if it wasnt for carroll getting hurt, we mightve never seen what powell is capable of, and now that we have, its disheartening to know that his development is gonna be stifled behind two overpaid, overrated players...

You forget Ross too. Also Cojo plays minutes at the 2 as well as the 1, especially late. As far wing minutes go, Powell is caught behind DD/Carroll/Cojo/Ross. Wright, who's also 24, is behind Lowry/Cojo at the pg spot for the next few years. If Powell takes over Ross's place and Ppat remains Pf off the bench where he's more comfortable, that puts Ross a 10 million dollar 9th man, who would barely play.

i didnt forget ross... i didnt include him because hes not who powell is stuck behind and he is not the one that will be limiting powells minutes... casey hasnt been afraid to substitute powell for ross when the situation called for it... he did it against indiana... ross also played significant time during the regular season in place of carroll and did well... again he was a part of our best 5 man lineup... but carroll and demar are guys that will get their minutes no matter what because casey trusts them more, and they are the real reasons why powell wont get a chance to develop... and powell is more than just a spot up shooter and 3 and d guy... in fact, its arguable that hes not even a natural spot up shooter at all... that was never his skillset coming into the league... the fact that he can make 3s is a bonus, but again the sample size is still small and he doesnt have the stroke of a gunner... powells overall development depends on his ability to be a ballhandler, and he will never be that guy here.

Powell got the start, but it was place holder starting. Ross got the minutes when Carroll was out. And it was the same in the playoffs. Casey said he was on the fence about going to Powell, and I don't think Powell maintained his minutes after the Indy series. I still think they have Ross on the depth chart ahead of Powell.

Boogie! · Post #700 » by **Boogie!** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:49 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
You forget Ross too. Also Cojo plays minutes at the 2 as well as the 1, especially late. As far wing minutes go, Powell is caught behind DD/Carroll/Cojo/Ross. Wright, who's also 24, is behind Lowry/Cojo at the pg spot for the next few years. If Powell takes over Ross's place and Ppat remains Pf off the bench where he's more comfortable, that puts Ross a 10 million dollar 9th man, who would barely play.

i didnt forget ross... i didnt include him because hes not who powell is stuck behind and he is not the one that will be limiting powells minutes... casey hasnt been afraid to substitute powell for ross when the situation called for it... he did it against indiana... ross also played significant time during the regular season in place of carroll and did well... again he was a part of our best 5 man lineup... but carroll and demar are guys that will get their minutes no matter what because casey trusts them more, and they are the real reasons why powell wont get a chance to develop... and powell is more than just a spot up shooter and 3 and d guy... in fact, its arguable that hes not even a natural spot up shooter at all... that was never his skillset coming into the league... the fact that he can make 3s is a bonus, but again the sample size is still small and he doesnt have the stroke of a gunner... powells overall development depends on his ability to be a ballhandler, and he will never be that guy here.

Powell got the start, but it was place holder starting. Ross got the minutes when Carroll was out. And it was the same in the playoffs. Casey said he was on the fence about going to Powell, and I don't think Powell maintained his minutes after the Indy series. I still think they have Ross on the depth chart ahead of Powell.

ross is definitely ahead on the depth chart, but my point is that casey isnt tied to him like he is to demar or carroll... when demar or carroll make mistakes, or obviously are having matchup issues or arent playing good defense, casey will still give them the lions share of the minutes, simply because they're "our guys" and we have to "ride or die" with them... hes literally said as much... maybe technically not for carroll, but based on how he uses him, its obvious he feels almost the same way about him as he does with kyle and demar... even if theyre playing like ****, to him, theyre technically the best players, and still have to play when the game is on the line no matter what... with ross, even though hes technically ahead of norman on the depth chart, casey isnt afraid to pull him or sacrifice his minutes... if hes playing like ****, casey actually holds him accountable and would have no problems replacing him with norman.