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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#701 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:06 pm

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i didnt forget ross... i didnt include him because hes not who powell is stuck behind and he is not the one that will be limiting powells minutes... casey hasnt been afraid to substitute powell for ross when the situation called for it... he did it against indiana... ross also played significant time during the regular season in place of carroll and did well... again he was a part of our best 5 man lineup... but carroll and demar are guys that will get their minutes no matter what because casey trusts them more, and they are the real reasons why powell wont get a chance to develop... and powell is more than just a spot up shooter and 3 and d guy... in fact, its arguable that hes not even a natural spot up shooter at all... that was never his skillset coming into the league... the fact that he can make 3s is a bonus, but again the sample size is still small and he doesnt have the stroke of a gunner... powells overall development depends on his ability to be a ballhandler, and he will never be that guy here.


Powell got the start, but it was place holder starting. Ross got the minutes when Carroll was out. And it was the same in the playoffs. Casey said he was on the fence about going to Powell, and I don't think Powell maintained his minutes after the Indy series. I still think they have Ross on the depth chart ahead of Powell.


ross is definitely ahead on the depth chart, but my point is that casey isnt tied to him like he is to demar or carroll... when demar or carroll make mistakes, or obviously are having matchup issues or arent playing good defense, casey will still give them the lions share of the minutes, simply because they're "our guys" and we have to "ride or die" with them... hes literally said as much... maybe technically not for carroll, but based on how he uses him, its obvious he feels almost the same way about him as he does with kyle and demar... even if theyre playing like ****, to him, theyre technically the best players, and still have to play when the game is on the line no matter what... with ross, even though hes technically ahead of norman on the depth chart, casey isnt afraid to pull him or sacrifice his minutes... if hes playing like ****, casey actually holds him accountable and would have no problems replacing him with norman.


If this is about a DeMar rant thing, I'm sorry I engaged. I think we will overpay DeMar, but I'm not losing sleep on it, nor am I of the mindset that we should look at DeMar as holding Powell back. That's heavier lifting than Powell will be asked to do at this point. It's the Cojo's, Carroll's and the Ross's that are in the role that would otherwise perhaps fall to Powell. Whatever. If Masai can move Carroll or Ross, he should, imo. Especially if we can get any value back for them. If we don't trade them, and powell plays his way onto the court, ahead of them, well then he should play, regardless of what if does to the value of Ross and Carroll.

The only way we make it worse is to lose out on Powell contributions just because we over paid Carroll and Ross. But at the same time, I think we think that we have a better idea than Casey on who is actually helping and who isn't, and I'm not sure that's true. Casey would have to be a fraud to not have a better read on his team than the faux intelligentsia and arm chair gms we got here, and it would mean Masai's is too dense to realize it, since he's extended him twice. Since Casey has helped guide a team to punch way above it's weight for the better part of the last 4 years, maybe he's got a decent handle on it, and deserves a bit of trust?
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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#702 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:27 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?


He wasn't at the draft, either. Maybe he's not in North America right now? It is really odd that no one has even tried to get in contact with the guy.
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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#703 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:30 pm

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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?


He wasn't at the draft, either. Maybe he's not in North America right now? It is really odd that no one has even tried to get in contact with the guy.


It's rare case (Carroll last example) when the media do more than take what Jim Lambo serves to them. I'm sure they'll bring him out sometime before summer league. And it's not a big deal, just that since Masai seems to think we will love this guy, maybe they should find a way for fans to see him? or hear from him? or have him do an interview?

They probably still don't really want to bring two more rookies in if they can help it, and so far, they haven't been able to help it.
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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#704 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:37 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?


He wasn't at the draft, either. Maybe he's not in North America right now? It is really odd that no one has even tried to get in contact with the guy.


It's rare case (Carroll last example) when the media do more than take what Jim Lambo serves to them.


Especially this time of year with Auston Matthews, Steven Stamkos and the Blue Jays all taking precedent over the Raptors.
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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#705 » by MavCarter » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:39 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?


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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#706 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:52 pm

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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?


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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#707 » by Boogie! » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:59 pm

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Powell got the start, but it was place holder starting. Ross got the minutes when Carroll was out. And it was the same in the playoffs. Casey said he was on the fence about going to Powell, and I don't think Powell maintained his minutes after the Indy series. I still think they have Ross on the depth chart ahead of Powell.


ross is definitely ahead on the depth chart, but my point is that casey isnt tied to him like he is to demar or carroll... when demar or carroll make mistakes, or obviously are having matchup issues or arent playing good defense, casey will still give them the lions share of the minutes, simply because they're "our guys" and we have to "ride or die" with them... hes literally said as much... maybe technically not for carroll, but based on how he uses him, its obvious he feels almost the same way about him as he does with kyle and demar... even if theyre playing like ****, to him, theyre technically the best players, and still have to play when the game is on the line no matter what... with ross, even though hes technically ahead of norman on the depth chart, casey isnt afraid to pull him or sacrifice his minutes... if hes playing like ****, casey actually holds him accountable and would have no problems replacing him with norman.


If this is about a DeMar rant thing, I'm sorry I engaged. I think we will overpay DeMar, but I'm not losing sleep on it, nor am I of the mindset that we should look at DeMar as holding Powell back. That's heavier lifting than Powell will be asked to do at this point. It's the Cojo's, Carroll's and the Ross's that are in the role that would otherwise perhaps fall to Powell. Whatever. If Masai can move Carroll or Ross, he should, imo. Especially if we can get any value back for them. If we don't trade them, and powell plays his way onto the court, ahead of them, well then he should play, regardless of what if does to the value of Ross and Carroll.

The only way we make it worse is to lose out on Powell contributions just because we over paid Carroll and Ross. But at the same time, I think we think that we have a better idea than Casey on who is actually helping and who isn't, and I'm not sure that's true. Casey would have to be a fraud to not have a better read on his team than the faux intelligentsia and arm chair gms we got here, and it would mean Masai's is too dense to realize it, since he's extended him twice. Since Casey has helped guide a team to punch way above it's weight for the better part of the last 4 years, maybe he's got a decent handle on it, and deserves a bit of trust?


demars definitely a prime reason powell is being held back as much as carroll is... and the reason carroll is an issue is because demar is demar, and the only way powell will ever get minutes in any demar related situation is if carroll is out... powell's size is more suited to playing the 2, and his length and athleticism is elite for that position... as a 3 man, not so much...the thing is, he doesn't really get to be a 2 man, and a ball handler playing next to demar... again, he becomes a 3 and d spot up shooter, which is a waste of his skill set...

i have no idea why people still think ross' contract is somehow handcuffing the team. for one its 3 years... secondly, its 11 mill a year in a market where a guy like dion waiters is asking for 16... demarre carroll just got 15 over 5, and its arguable he's even a significant upgrade over ross talent wise... he's injury prone, 30 and just put up an 11.9 per in the regular season last year, and a 9.9 per in the playoffs... ross's was 12.9 and 10.0.... if you go down the list and compare all their other numbers from last year, they're very similarly bad... that being said, ross' contract was given on his potential+his already reliable 3 point shooting, where as demarre's was given based on what he's supposed to provide you now, meaning atlanta hawks level productivity. and you could argue all you want about demarre's injury holding him back, but I truly believe theres more to it than that... he's a great system guy that flourished in atlantas system... he was a good fit there because of their system... if you expect to get atlanta hawks productivity in this system, injuries or not, prepare to be disappointed... so the fact that he's putting up terrence ross numbers for his role means either he's trash or he's just not a good fit and theres a reason why he was so successful in atlanta... which also means that ross in the right system, probably also has more impact than he does here.

if they wanted to trade him for peanuts, I'm sure they could... they're not stuck... no ones gonna be afraid to take on his contract... in fact, I'm sure plenty of teams can see value in it... he's not a guy that they have to cater to, its relatively short at 3 years, he's still young, he can still hit 3s and he still may get better within that span, at least in terms of his overall shooting percentage, especially if teams have a system thats gonna allow him to get a lot of open looks... his 39% is already above average, so if he can hit the 40+ mark on a yearly basis and play good defense which he also has shown the ability to do, then his contract is actually fair. maybe still slightly overpaid, but his contract and game are not a hindrance on any team from taking the next step... its always gonna be the guys getting the most money and the most minutes and whom the system is being catered to and those belong to carroll and demar.

theres no demar rant here, thats already been done many times, this is simply me trying to make sense of the whole raptors situation. we have a goal here and thats to take the next step as a franchise. we just made the ECF, barely, but we've shown against the cavs that were still a class below an actual championship contender... i just don't see what pieces around the current core as they are will allow us to take the next step... theres no elite talent here... just a bunch of guys that are pretty good, getting paid like they are championship guys, and having a system devoted to them as if they are an elite talent. if we actually did have an elite talent, and were in the same tier as the cavs, then i would have no problem just keeping the core for as long as we can, and making a run every year in hopes of getting lucky eventually... but we still don't have the talent to do that and theres nothing that we can do in this current situation to fix that. our ceiling is always gonna be the team that the cavs destroy every year.
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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#708 » by TheGoodDoctor » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:19 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
McGregFan wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So where is this guy. He's a first round pick, but he's getting the post draft 2nd round pick treatment, where he's not brought in for any media or anything?


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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th 

Post#709 » by bigmandinky » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:24 am

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Choker wrote:The fact that he has a good feel for the game makes his lack of shine leading up to the draft even more puzzling. An athletic beast with a 7'3 wingspan with a good IQ, and can add a good jumper later down the line, is arguably a lottery pick. If his age is really what scared most teams away from even considering him in the first round, I hope these idiots keep their jobs, that way we can keep nabbing up these awesome prospects with our later picks in the future.

They passed on Powell because of age too.


im super worried that powell is not gonna be given a chance to develop in our current system... it sucks that we have a high level prospect in our midst and hes not gonna be given a chance to develop because our team's future is centred around a mediocre player, that happens to play his position... not only that, hes behind another overpaid, slightly overrated player in carroll, whos gonna get minutes simply by merit of his reputation and contract status... if it wasnt for carroll getting hurt, we mightve never seen what powell is capable of, and now that we have, its disheartening to know that his development is gonna be stifled behind two overpaid, overrated players...


I wouldn't be too worried. I feel like Masai rejecting that Ibaka trade offer is a sign of how high he and other GM's value Norm. Couple that with the fact that Norm plays the kind of style that Casey loves and that we're likely going to have to move on of Carroll/Ross in order to make room to acquire another big piece and I feel like we should be optimistic about Norm's chance to develop properly.
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Re: Raptors Select Paskal Siakiam 27th 

Post#713 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:21 pm

Caboclo wrote:Davis
Skal

BOTH ON THE BOARD!!


Passing twice on high-upside plays like Labissiere and Davis is disgusting

When a potential top-10 talent slides, you make the damn pick and worry about the rest later


Even the GODDAMN KINGS had the sense to pick up SKAL with the very next pick (28)...even tho he didn't work out for them either!


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But what happens when Pascal is better than both?
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Post#714 » by BangerBrotha » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:22 pm

choomag wrote:goin for that d league championship.


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Post#715 » by raptor jesus » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:26 pm

Another reason this was a great pick: after we picked Poeltl, Chad Ford tweeted that we almost went with Skal instead. Of course, with Skal still on the board when we picked at 27, we passed again lol.

I wasn't too familiar with Siakam, but quickly talked myself into the pick after I checked out his stats and game tape.
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Post#716 » by Tofubeque » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:45 pm

I'll be honest, I don't remember anything about the Davis guy everyone wanted
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Post#717 » by mademan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:46 pm

Masai like..

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Post#718 » by lolwut » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:47 pm

Tofubeque wrote:I'll be honest, I don't remember anything about the Davis guy everyone wanted

I feel like there are at least 20 top-10 talents every year...
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Post#719 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:04 am

it's because of bumps like this - among other things - that i never even bother with the draft. everybody thinks they know best and nobody knows diddly. funny reading tho...
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Post#720 » by ___Rand___ » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:19 am

Who is skal and davis?
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