Portland - 2016 Offseason

MakDagr · Post #1201 » by **MakDagr** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:58 pm

I also think whoever we sign will be signed to 2 year deal with either team or player option for 3rd year.

GreenRiddler · Post #1202 » by **GreenRiddler** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:59 pm

I am no cap wiz but it doesn't look like we would be gutting our team by much to get those 2.

Our bench would still have Crabbe and Davis, maybe Vonleh, I don't think that is very bad. Maybe trade Ed and keep Plumlee to make money work.

Hard to argue with A starting 5 of

Dame
CJ
Parsons
Aminu
Whiteside

Again I am not a cap guru but I think we can get them and still go over cap to get Crabbe and renounce everyone else while trading Ed, Pat and waving Luis.

Bench would be Crabbe Plumlee Vonleh and Layman, sign a 3rd string pg and that looks a lot like the bench we had this year.

zzaj · Post #1203 » by **zzaj** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:00 pm

monopoman wrote:
zzaj wrote:So gutting the team to sign Parsons and Whiteside?

Sounds like y'all want to challenge the team from a few years ago with worst bench of all time. I suppose the Blazers already have Luke Babbit's replacement...

Parsons is a miss 15-20 games a season with injuries player. But I guess he's the "...best Small Forward in the NBA."

So what do the Blazers do once Lillard gets his max, Whiteside gets his max, CJ gets his near max, Parsons gets his near max?

In two years when the cap comes back down that leaves about 8 holes to fill with probably around 15 million dollars. Hands tied and Luxury tax time...

I would argue that:

Lillard/CJ
CJ/????
Parsons/????
????/????
Whiteside/????

Costing over 85 million would be a bad thing and still aren't winning a championship.

I really think teams will be rotating plays far more often with the cap going up constantly, unless you have a player on an extremely cap friendly deal like an Aminu or something you basically constantly are trading/releasing players. To make matters worse players are signing short contracts so they can re-negotiate for way more money in a few years.

That may be so, but trying to field 4 bench positions and one starter position with a generous 20 million? The Blazers would be basically signing Dleague players to fill out their roster.

Waynearchetype · Post #1204 » by **Waynearchetype** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:05 pm

Reminder you can do your own calculations here!
http://codepen.io/wayneculverhall/full/mErvbV/

Best I can do is renounce all FA/Unguaranteed but Crabbe and trade away Davis. That said, Dame/Cj/Parsons/Aminu/Whiteside with Crabbe/Vonleh/Plumlee off the bench sounds like a top 4 seed to me.

If David West still wants to ring chase you could toss the room exception at him.

MakDagr · Post #1205 » by **MakDagr** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:06 pm

maybe even bring back Gerald under Mid-Level?

zzaj · Post #1206 » by **zzaj** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:08 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:I am no cap wiz but it doesn't look like we would be gutting our team by much to get those 2.

Our bench would still have Crabbe and Davis, maybe Vonleh, I don't think that is very bad. Maybe trade Ed and keep Plumlee to make money work.

Hard to argue with A starting 5 of

Dame
CJ
Parsons
Aminu
Whiteside

Again I am not a cap guru but I think we can get them and still go over cap to get Crabbe and renounce everyone else while trading Ed, Pat and waving Luis.

Bench would be Crabbe Plumlee Vonleh and Layman, sign a 3rd string pg and that looks a lot like the bench we had this year.

It's beginning in 2018 and on that the Blazers would have to worry. Once the Cap comes back down and the Blazers find themselves 15-20 million over and in need of a bench.

I'm probably wrong about this, i'm terrible at cap speculation...

Wiz?

Waynearchetype · Post #1207 » by **Waynearchetype** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:08 pm

MakDagr wrote:maybe even bring back Gerald under Mid-Level?

You only get mid-level if you are above the cap going into FA period. I think there is a room exception that is like 2M or something... Gerald can do better and should.

GreenRiddler · Post #1208 » by **GreenRiddler** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:10 pm

It could be like the Tyson Chandler LMA situation with us and Parsons. Agree with Parsons tonight, meet Whiteside in the afternoon with Parsons. Boom 3 good to great PnR players to show Whiteside his scoring opportunities.

We all know he likes to recruit. Looks like Parsons is gonna be our midnight meeting like Aminu was last year and Hibbert was 3 yrs ago.

12 am cant come quick enough!

MakDagr · Post #1209 » by **MakDagr** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:10 pm

Fill in some holes...but yah....wouldn't be surprised if we ran Dame, CJ, AC, Chandler, Aminu late some games...the spacinggggg.

Just comes down to Hassan's attitude and Chandler's knees.

Dame/CJ/Montero
CJ/AC
Chandler/AC/Pat/Layman
Aminu/Plums/Noah/Cliff
Hassan/Ed

Doesn't look great either with Mo posting a "hire me" picture. Know he can be a little bi polar. Either really happy, or really upset/mad. Still feel he's a 3pt shot away from becoming the next Ariza

GreenRiddler · Post #1210 » by **GreenRiddler** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:12 pm

Oh man Whinhorst and Lowe dropped a bomb on their podcast saying Whiteside not going back to Miami.

Don't see why he'd choose Dal they lost Parsons, Conley looks like he is staying put.

Post #1211 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:14 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:Oh man Whinhorst and Lowe dropped a bomb on their podcast saying Whiteside not going back to Miami.

Don't see why he'd choose Dal they lost Parsons, Conley looks like he is staying put.

I still want Howard over Whiteside if a possibility. I think it'd be much easier to fit together Parsons/Dwight contract wise, if Dwight was willing to take a paycut, than it would be the other two. Plus I trust Dwight's defense far more, and we know he isn't just a guy who plays for his next contract.

MakDagr · Post #1212 » by **MakDagr** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:18 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:Oh man Whinhorst and Lowe dropped a bomb on their podcast saying Whiteside not going back to Miami.

Don't see why he'd choose Dal they lost Parsons, Conley looks like he is staying put.

I still want Howard over Whiteside if a possibility. I think it'd be much easier to fit together Parsons/Dwight contract wise, if Dwight was willing to take a paycut, than it would be the other two. Plus I trust Dwight's defense far more, and we know he isn't just a guy who plays for his next contract.

Definitely agree, but sounds like Dwight's trimmed it to ATL and Boston

Butter · Post #1213 » by **Butter** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:23 pm

Parsons value is all about price. Anywhere near the max is a BAD deal.

GreenRiddler · Post #1214 » by **GreenRiddler** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:25 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:Oh man Whinhorst and Lowe dropped a bomb on their podcast saying Whiteside not going back to Miami.

Don't see why he'd choose Dal they lost Parsons, Conley looks like he is staying put.

I still want Howard over Whiteside if a possibility. I think it'd be much easier to fit together Parsons/Dwight contract wise, if Dwight was willing to take a paycut, than it would be the other two. Plus I trust Dwight's defense far more, and we know he isn't just a guy who plays for his next contract.

Right, but it seems like DH has trimmed his options.

I felt leery of either a month ago, but I'd take one or the other now. I feel like DH only has 1 maybe 2 good years left and it's hard being the guy and then accepting a lesser role.

Defensively I don't know Howard has done it over more years, but it doesn't mean Whiteside is gonna stop being good once he gets his deal. The 2 are pretty close though as far as want on my end. I give the edge to Whiteside though cause he is gonna last his whole deal and will most likely be cheaper.

Oneluckbox · Post #1215 » by **Oneluckbox** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:25 pm

I wake up to news of Whiteside only having meetings with Miami, Mavs and Portland. Is this true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM

Zers4Eva · Post #1216 » by **Zers4Eva** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:25 pm

I'd rather Whiteside than Howard but would be happy with either.

From what it sounds like, Whiteside is friendly with our 2 best players who obviously are being instrumental in trying to get Hassan here.

I'd be stoked if we could get Whiteside and Parsons. Olshey would then need to find a trade for Plum for a bit of depth in the backcourt. A Monta Ellis type that can be creative and keep up the pace when one of Lillard or McCollum are resting.

GreenRiddler · Post #1217 » by **GreenRiddler** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:28 pm

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Butter wrote:Parsons value is all about price. Anywhere near the max is a BAD deal.

If he is not healthy absolutely. When healthy he is on par if not better than Hayward, who would assuredly get his max number and iirc would be a higher max than Parsons.

Lillard would never have to take 30 shots in a game ever agian.

Jsun947 · Post #1218 » by **Jsun947** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:48 pm

Our roster doesn't have to change much. We're gonna lose Henderson anyway.

Effectively we'd be trading Davis+Harkless+Leonard or Plumlee+Vonleh+Harkless+Leonard for Parsons+Whiteside.

I don't know how that's "gutting" our roster. Leonard didn't play at the end of the season and Vonleh was out of the rotation. It's practically two rotation players for two rotation players

Butter · Post #1219 » by **Butter** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:53 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:[Vine][/Vine]
Butter wrote:Parsons value is all about price. Anywhere near the max is a BAD deal.

If he is not healthy absolutely. When healthy he is on par if not better than Hayward, who would assuredly get his max number and iirc would be a higher max than Parsons.

Lillard would never have to take 30 shots in a game ever agian.

His knee injuries are a big deal. Could they include an injury clause like Brandon Roy?

Matt800 · Post #1220 » by **Matt800** » Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:11 am

Seems like I'd rather have Harkless over Parsons. Harkless is still young, was pretty good at D in the playoffs and seems to be getting better as a team shows trust in him.

Maybe if Parsons were super inexpensive he'd be a good choice. But with injury concerns and attitude concerns he doesn't seem worth a large amount of money.

That said, it'd be great if we could run a lineup with Harkless, Parsons, Aminu, CJ and Lillard. Or switch out one of CJ and Lillard for Whiteside. That'd be pretty good potential for defense.