Around the NBA Thread 2016-17

[DoubleHappiness]

Seems like he is older for sure and I don't normally go for conspiracy theories. I think stuff would be slowed down in the league blackballed shady agents looking to make bucks off these kids.

I mean, I remember being skeptical way back when those 'amazing 14 year old' youtube vids were circulating.

[aim2please]

I really think this Horford to OKC thing has legs. If that happens, KD is not going anywhere. It just makes too much sense

[2Mas]

Does somebody actually believe that Thon Maker repeated 4 grades, is 4 years older than people think, and a poster on the Bucks board knows more about this than the Bucks? .

The 'repeated four grades' part is basically confirmed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOQgrzS4tk��[/youtube]

Other documentation accessible via archive.org demonstrates that a Thon Maker attended the school in question and was in the 11th grade in 2009 and there is additional circumstantial evidence it was him. It is a crazy story. If it is a hoax, it is an extremely elaborate one that has yet to be contradicted.

There are tons of people that come out of African countries and are way ahead of their grade. I met many people in college who are from Africa and were definitely 3 years younger than anyone. We've also had a dozen exchange students at my house and they are all put directly into senior year even though they were only 15. It doesn't at all mean he is 22 or 23. It just means moving continents can screw up your grade. Clearly Europe had the same passport when he went to high school there so they would have thought he was 10 years old in high school and they were cool with that.

Edit: I apologize. I read Prague not Perth, but the same theory applies. His high school in Perth would have had the same passport. Clearly they were cool with him being in high school at 10/11 years old.

I believe 100% that he is older than 19. Yeah he's 22-23. The pics, evidence is kinda undeniable.. But this is my issue?

Who cares?? If you 22 or 19? So what? Yes I get the "3 less years of POTENTIAL." - Aka Ain't Done ***** Yet. I take it as, he'll be able to adjust to the physicality better. I hate this is an issue. Kriss Dunn is 22. Kids a stud. You're gonna tell me Dunn is a finished product? Or what about Lillard & McCollum? Crowder & Green ? All these players came into the league as SR's & finished products?

It's just annoying that age is such an issue. A 19 year old doesn't have the man mentality of a 22 year old. A 22 will see this as a job & get his ass in the gym & work change for the better. a 19 is gonna get his check & ball out on the town. - Of course these are just example *& not for everyone, but it happens for sure.

That's why I'm happy with this Jaylen Brown. Acts like a man. Good head on his shoudlers. He knows what it is. He needs a lot of work yes, but he's someone i'd put $ on to reach it. To me it's kinda like a Lillard mentality. I love that ****.

[2Mas]

I really think this Horford to OKC thing has legs. If that happens, KD is not going anywhere. It just makes too much sense

Sorry buddy but Durant isn't going anywhere anyways. If they get Horford, it just makes them the favorite in my eyes. & It think it's more than possible.

Using Smitty's incredible cap sheet (Smitty just so you know i'm a groupie man. I use & talk about this cap doc all the time!)

W/ KD;s cap hold, & if they renouce their other FA's (Foye, Nazr, Waiters) they'll still be 6+mil over the cap.

All OKC woulda have to do, is find takers for Kanter & Singler, while cutting Ilyasova & Morrow. They'd roughly have 27mil in cap (w/ KD's cap hold, so i'm adding him cause the addition salary won;t matter), with a roster of ..

Westbrook, Durant, Adams, Oladipo, Roberson, Sabonis, McGary, Payne, Huestis, Collison

Say Horford takes that 26-27mil. - Sign a vet FA shooter with the BAE (Kev Martin?) & a rim protecting C with the MLE (varejao). Have a damn squadddd.

Westbrook - Payne
Oladipo - Martin
Durant - Roberson - Heustis
Horford - Sabonis - Collison
Adams - McGary - Varejao

[galipeautim]

The 'repeated four grades' part is basically confirmed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOQgrzS4tk��[/youtube]

Other documentation accessible via archive.org demonstrates that a Thon Maker attended the school in question and was in the 11th grade in 2009 and there is additional circumstantial evidence it was him. It is a crazy story. If it is a hoax, it is an extremely elaborate one that has yet to be contradicted.

There are tons of people that come out of African countries and are way ahead of their grade. I met many people in college who are from Africa and were definitely 3 years younger than anyone. We've also had a dozen exchange students at my house and they are all put directly into senior year even though they were only 15. It doesn't at all mean he is 22 or 23. It just means moving continents can screw up your grade. Clearly Europe had the same passport when he went to high school there so they would have thought he was 10 years old in high school and they were cool with that.

Edit: I apologize. I read Prague not Perth, but the same theory applies. His high school in Perth would have had the same passport. Clearly they were cool with him being in high school at 10/11 years old.

I believe 100% that he is older than 19. Yeah he's 22-23. The pics, evidence is kinda undeniable.. But this is my issue?

Who cares?? If you 22 or 19? So what? Yes I get the "3 less years of POTENTIAL." - Aka Ain't Done ***** Yet. I take it as, he'll be able to adjust to the physicality better. I hate this is an issue. Kriss Dunn is 22. Kids a stud. You're gonna tell me Dunn is a finished product? Or what about Lillard & McCollum? Crowder & Green ? All these players came into the league as SR's & finished products?

It's just annoying that age is such an issue. A 19 year old doesn't have the man mentality of a 22 year old. A 22 will see this as a job & get his ass in the gym & work change for the better. a 19 is gonna get his check & ball out on the town. - Of course these are just example *& not for everyone, but it happens for sure.

That's why I'm happy with this Jaylen Brown. Acts like a man. Good head on his shoudlers. He knows what it is. He needs a lot of work yes, but he's someone i'd put $ on to reach it. To me it's kinda like a Lillard mentality. I love that ****.

Jaylen Brown didn't act as a man when he sucked at the end of last year. It's easy to act like a man in the offseason when you don't have to back it up. Still hate the draft pick. Put up 4 points and 7 turnovers against Hawaii in the biggest game of his life. That's a kid, not a man.

Also, I'm not arguing whether Thon's age is 19 or 22. I'm merely pointing out that if his age had changed between Australia and Canada then the NBA would have known about it. I have no idea if his age changed between Nigeria and Australia, but that is not the point the Bucks fans are making.

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[2Mas]

Jaylen Brown didn't act as a man when he sucked at the end of last year. It's easy to act like a man in the offseason when you don't have to back it up. Still hate the draft pick. Put up 4 points and 7 turnovers against Hawaii in the biggest game of his life. That's a kid, not a man.

Also, I'm not arguing whether Thon's age is 19 or 22. I'm merely pointing out that if his age had changed between Australia and Canada then the NBA would have known about it. I have no idea if his age changed between Nigeria and Australia, but that is not the point the Bucks fans are making.

Yeah -- Well we just gotta wait & see on Brown. I personally see him paying off, but i can see why ppl aren't thrilled. But we'll havta just disagree on him (for now).

As for the whole Maker thing, I wasn't trying to prove you or anyone wrong or anything. I don't know about how changing countries & whatnot works. I was just giving my take on it. It's just not a big deal to me if he's 19 or 23. It's not gonna stop him from getting better. & the whole he's a freshman compared to a jr or sr thing is overblown to me.

[aim2please]

I really think this Horford to OKC thing has legs. If that happens, KD is not going anywhere. It just makes too much sense

Sorry buddy but Durant isn't going anywhere anyways. If they get Horford, it just makes them the favorite in my eyes. & It think it's more than possible.

Using Smitty's incredible cap sheet (Smitty just so you know i'm a groupie man. I use & talk about this cap doc all the time!)

W/ KD;s cap hold, & if they renouce their other FA's (Foye, Nazr, Waiters) they'll still be 6+mil over the cap.

All OKC woulda have to do, is find takers for Kanter & Singler, while cutting Ilyasova & Morrow. They'd roughly have 27mil in cap (w/ KD's cap hold, so i'm adding him cause the addition salary won;t matter), with a roster of ..

Westbrook, Durant, Adams, Oladipo, Roberson, Sabonis, McGary, Payne, Huestis, Collison

Say Horford takes that 26-27mil. - Sign a vet FA shooter with the BAE (Kev Martin?) & a rim protecting C with the MLE (varejao). Have a damn squadddd.

Westbrook - Payne
Oladipo - Martin
Durant - Roberson - Heustis
Horford - Sabonis - Collison
Adams - McGary - Varejao

I agree that he's most likely to stay in OKC. I meant past this year. If he signs 1+1, there's a good chance he's gone next summer. Unless they win it all.

That's why I put sad face next to Horford to OKC rumor. If they get him they're gonna be loaded.

[Iguodaladon]

The 'repeated four grades' part is basically confirmed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOQgrzS4tk��[/youtube]

Other documentation accessible via archive.org demonstrates that a Thon Maker attended the school in question and was in the 11th grade in 2009 and there is additional circumstantial evidence it was him. It is a crazy story. If it is a hoax, it is an extremely elaborate one that has yet to be contradicted.

There are tons of people that come out of African countries and are way ahead of their grade. I met many people in college who are from Africa and were definitely 3 years younger than anyone. We've also had a dozen exchange students at my house and they are all put directly into senior year even though they were only 15. It doesn't at all mean he is 22 or 23. It just means moving continents can screw up your grade. Clearly Europe had the same passport when he went to high school there so they would have thought he was 10 years old in high school and they were cool with that.

Edit: I apologize. I read Prague not Perth, but the same theory applies. His high school in Perth would have had the same passport. Clearly they were cool with him being in high school at 10/11 years old.

I believe 100% that he is older than 19. Yeah he's 22-23. The pics, evidence is kinda undeniable.. But this is my issue?

Who cares?? If you 22 or 19? So what? Yes I get the "3 less years of POTENTIAL." - Aka Ain't Done ***** Yet. I take it as, he'll be able to adjust to the physicality better. I hate this is an issue. Kriss Dunn is 22. Kids a stud. You're gonna tell me Dunn is a finished product? Or what about Lillard & McCollum? Crowder & Green ? All these players came into the league as SR's & finished products?

It's just annoying that age is such an issue. A 19 year old doesn't have the man mentality of a 22 year old. A 22 will see this as a job & get his ass in the gym & work change for the better. a 19 is gonna get his check & ball out on the town. - Of course these are just example *& not for everyone, but it happens for sure.

That's why I'm happy with this Jaylen Brown. Acts like a man. Good head on his shoudlers. He knows what it is. He needs a lot of work yes, but he's someone i'd put $ on to reach it. To me it's kinda like a Lillard mentality. I love that ****.

It happens a lot in African nations where the documents are lost or mishandled properly so that the person themself doesn't even know how old they are. Look at Samuel Eto'o who played for Chelsea, it didn't come out until he was in his 30's that he may be older than everyone thought

As to why it matters how old he is, he's been advertised as a tantalising 19yr old prospect who is extremely raw. If you were to find out he was extremely raw, but was actually 23, that's 4yrs gone and he's still got a long way to go before he meets his potential.

[galipeautim]

There are tons of people that come out of African countries and are way ahead of their grade. I met many people in college who are from Africa and were definitely 3 years younger than anyone. We've also had a dozen exchange students at my house and they are all put directly into senior year even though they were only 15. It doesn't at all mean he is 22 or 23. It just means moving continents can screw up your grade. Clearly Europe had the same passport when he went to high school there so they would have thought he was 10 years old in high school and they were cool with that.

Edit: I apologize. I read Prague not Perth, but the same theory applies. His high school in Perth would have had the same passport. Clearly they were cool with him being in high school at 10/11 years old.

I believe 100% that he is older than 19. Yeah he's 22-23. The pics, evidence is kinda undeniable.. But this is my issue?

Who cares?? If you 22 or 19? So what? Yes I get the "3 less years of POTENTIAL." - Aka Ain't Done ***** Yet. I take it as, he'll be able to adjust to the physicality better. I hate this is an issue. Kriss Dunn is 22. Kids a stud. You're gonna tell me Dunn is a finished product? Or what about Lillard & McCollum? Crowder & Green ? All these players came into the league as SR's & finished products?

It's just annoying that age is such an issue. A 19 year old doesn't have the man mentality of a 22 year old. A 22 will see this as a job & get his ass in the gym & work change for the better. a 19 is gonna get his check & ball out on the town. - Of course these are just example *& not for everyone, but it happens for sure.

That's why I'm happy with this Jaylen Brown. Acts like a man. Good head on his shoudlers. He knows what it is. He needs a lot of work yes, but he's someone i'd put $ on to reach it. To me it's kinda like a Lillard mentality. I love that ****.

It happens a lot in African nations where the documents are lost or mishandled properly so that the person themself doesn't even know how old they are. Look at Samuel Eto'o who played for Chelsea, it didn't come out until he was in his 30's that he may be older than everyone thought

As to why it matters how old he is, he's been advertised as a tantalising 19yr old prospect who is extremely raw. If you were to find out he was extremely raw, but was actually 23, that's 4yrs gone and he's still got a long way to go before he meets his potential.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

The 'repeated four grades' part is basically confirmed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOQgrzS4tk��[/youtube]

Other documentation accessible via archive.org demonstrates that a Thon Maker attended the school in question and was in the 11th grade in 2009 and there is additional circumstantial evidence it was him. It is a crazy story. If it is a hoax, it is an extremely elaborate one that has yet to be contradicted.

There are tons of people that come out of African countries and are way ahead of their grade. I met many people in college who are from Africa and were definitely 3 years younger than anyone. We've also had a dozen exchange students at my house and they are all put directly into senior year even though they were only 15. It doesn't at all mean he is 22 or 23. It just means moving continents can screw up your grade. Clearly Europe had the same passport when he went to high school there so they would have thought he was 10 years old in high school and they were cool with that.

Edit: I apologize. I read Prague not Perth, but the same theory applies. His high school in Perth would have had the same passport. Clearly they were cool with him being in high school at 10/11 years old.

I believe 100% that he is older than 19. Yeah he's 22-23. The pics, evidence is kinda undeniable.. But this is my issue?

Who cares?? If you 22 or 19? So what? Yes I get the "3 less years of POTENTIAL." - Aka Ain't Done ***** Yet. I take it as, he'll be able to adjust to the physicality better. I hate this is an issue. Kriss Dunn is 22. Kids a stud. You're gonna tell me Dunn is a finished product? Or what about Lillard & McCollum? Crowder & Green ? All these players came into the league as SR's & finished products?

It's just annoying that age is such an issue. A 19 year old doesn't have the man mentality of a 22 year old. A 22 will see this as a job & get his ass in the gym & work change for the better. a 19 is gonna get his check & ball out on the town. - Of course these are just example *& not for everyone, but it happens for sure.

That's why I'm happy with this Jaylen Brown. Acts like a man. Good head on his shoudlers. He knows what it is. He needs a lot of work yes, but he's someone i'd put $ on to reach it. To me it's kinda like a Lillard mentality. I love that ****.

Lol, it matters in the sense that if he is 21-23 years old, he was, at times, getting his lunch handed to him by kids 2-4 years younger than him. Even if he was only 19, he still didn't dominate high school kids (Canadian basketball players too!) a year younger than him. If he really is 21-23, then his performance was just flat out embarrassing. Think about it - if you put Andre Drummond (22 years old) in a gym against a bunch of high school kids in Canada, how well do you think he'd do? Thon Maker only put up 29 and 14. Hell, those were Kendrick Perkins' stats during his senior year in HS, and he played in the States. The Bucks will be ridiculed for this pick for years, as they should.

[Marvel]

Like i said in another thread wtf does it matter if he's 2-3 years older than he really is. Ok, his HS stats are blown out of proportion he's closer to his ceiling...but from a pure basketball talent pov if Thon has legit bball talents i think that's what it REALLY comes down to. Work ethic, character, personality, competes hard. I think the Bucks FO valued his bball talent regardless of his "suspect" age. Plus like others have said, it happens to African athletes all the time.

[GreenFor3]

Like i said in another thread wtf does it matter if he's 2-3 years older than he really is. Ok, his HS stats are blown out of proportion he's closer to his ceiling...but from a pure basketball talent pov if Thon has legit bball talents i think that's what it REALLY comes down to. I think the Bucks FO valued his bball talent regardless of his "suspect" age. Plus like others have said, it happens in African countries all the time.

It matters because if you are 3+ years older than anyone you're playing against, and not looking like the GOAT, then you're not a top prospect. This guys is older than half of the C's roster if he's really 24. Not to mention age has actually been hailed as a pretty good predictor for long term success in the draft, much like rebounding and steals, as well as FT %.

[Slartibartfast]

Bucks thread continues to deliver the gold:

That's a grown man move right there!

I'll see myself out....

[Marvel]

Like i said in another thread wtf does it matter if he's 2-3 years older than he really is. Ok, his HS stats are blown out of proportion he's closer to his ceiling...but from a pure basketball talent pov if Thon has legit bball talents i think that's what it REALLY comes down to. I think the Bucks FO valued his bball talent regardless of his "suspect" age. Plus like others have said, it happens in African countries all the time.

It matters because if you are 3+ years older than anyone you're playing against, and not looking like the GOAT, then you're not a top prospect. This guys is older than half of the C's roster if he's really 24. Not to mention age has actually been hailed as a pretty good predictor for long term success in the draft, much like rebounding and steals, as well as FT %.

You just basically repeated what i said. I played against cats 2-3years older than me all the time when i was in school and they had legit talent/skills playing against guys their own age even older than them.

[GreenFor3]

Like i said in another thread wtf does it matter if he's 2-3 years older than he really is. Ok, his HS stats are blown out of proportion he's closer to his ceiling...but from a pure basketball talent pov if Thon has legit bball talents i think that's what it REALLY comes down to. I think the Bucks FO valued his bball talent regardless of his "suspect" age. Plus like others have said, it happens in African countries all the time.

It matters because if you are 3+ years older than anyone you're playing against, and not looking like the GOAT, then you're not a top prospect. This guys is older than half of the C's roster if he's really 24. Not to mention age has actually been hailed as a pretty good predictor for long term success in the draft, much like rebounding and steals, as well as FT %.

You just basically repeated what i said. I played against cats 2-3years older than me all the time when i was in school and they had legit talent/skills playing against guys their own age even older than them.

I mean I just can't see how that's not important to you. And it's not really 2-3 allegedly, but 3-5 years, he graduated high school, took a year off and went into 8th grade is what I just saw on the Bucks board. Imagine being 17 to 19 years old and playing against a bunch of 13 and 14 year olds . And the issue is that if you're an incredibly raw prospect at 19, at 23-24 you're a complete bust. Look at James Young, most of us have given up on him at 20-21, and at least he looked pretty good in college at 18. Thon looked good in HS as a 23 year old (assuming it's true).

[Marvel]

Spoiler:

It matters because if you are 3+ years older than anyone you're playing against, and not looking like the GOAT, then you're not a top prospect. This guys is older than half of the C's roster if he's really 24. Not to mention age has actually been hailed as a pretty good predictor for long term success in the draft, much like rebounding and steals, as well as FT %.

You just basically repeated what i said. I played against cats 2-3years older than me all the time when i was in school and they had legit talent/skills playing against guys their own age even older than them.

I mean I just can't see how that's not important to you. And it's not really 2-3 allegedly, but 3-5 years, he graduated high school, took a year off and went into 8th grade is what I just saw on the Bucks board. Imagine being 17 to 19 years old and playing against a bunch of 13 and 14 year olds . And the issue is that if you're an incredibly raw prospect at 19, at 23-24 you're a complete bust. Look at James Young, most of us have given up on him at 20-21, and at least he looked pretty good in college at 18. Thon looked good in HS as a 23 year old (assuming it's true).

No, it's not. If he really is 23 he still has 7-8 bball years left till he plateaus. He was the 10th pick in a (considered)weak draft, it's not the end of the world.

[GreenFor3]

Spoiler:

You just basically repeated what i said. I played against cats 2-3years older than me all the time when i was in school and they had legit talent/skills playing against guys their own age even older than them.

I mean I just can't see how that's not important to you. And it's not really 2-3 allegedly, but 3-5 years, he graduated high school, took a year off and went into 8th grade is what I just saw on the Bucks board. Imagine being 17 to 19 years old and playing against a bunch of 13 and 14 year olds . And the issue is that if you're an incredibly raw prospect at 19, at 23-24 you're a complete bust. Look at James Young, most of us have given up on him at 20-21, and at least he looked pretty good in college at 18. Thon looked good in HS as a 23 year old (assuming it's true).

No, it's not. If he really is 23 he still has 7-8 bball years left till he plateaus. He was the 10th pick in a (considered)weak draft, it's not the end of the world.

Most players plateau at 26-27 and then start declining after 30. He's just losing out on 4 years of development. I'm pretty sure he would be the oldest player in the draft as well.

[Marvel]

Spoiler:

I mean I just can't see how that's not important to you. And it's not really 2-3 allegedly, but 3-5 years, he graduated high school, took a year off and went into 8th grade is what I just saw on the Bucks board. Imagine being 17 to 19 years old and playing against a bunch of 13 and 14 year olds . And the issue is that if you're an incredibly raw prospect at 19, at 23-24 you're a complete bust. Look at James Young, most of us have given up on him at 20-21, and at least he looked pretty good in college at 18. Thon looked good in HS as a 23 year old (assuming it's true).

No, it's not. If he really is 23 he still has 7-8 bball years left till he plateaus. He was the 10th pick in a (considered)weak draft, it's not the end of the world.

Most players plateau at 26-27 and then start declining after 30. He's just losing out on 4 years of development. I'm pretty sure he would be the oldest player in the draft as well.

26-27 is peak. 30-32/33 is plateau into decline. Oldest player...? Perhaps. Bust...? Who knows. IF he can ball, wtf does it matter.

[GreenFor3]

Spoiler:

No, it's not. If he really is 23 he still has 7-8 bball years left till he plateaus. He was the 10th pick in a (considered)weak draft, it's not the end of the world.

Most players plateau at 26-27 and then start declining after 30. He's just losing out on 4 years of development. I'm pretty sure he would be the oldest player in the draft as well.

26-27 is peak. 30-32/33 is plateau into decline. Oldest player...? Perhaps. Bust...? Who knows. IF he can ball, wtf does it matter.

If he can ball right away it's not a big deal. But the scouting report on him coming in was that he's a long term project, but has a lot of upside being young, that the team can mold him however they want to. If he's still a long term project that is the oldest player in the draft, the upside is not there, that's the big deal.