Prospects and trade discussion

[Ranma]

Rays may be moving Matt Moore?

Once he was one of the better pitching prospects/ young arms in baseball.

Interested at the right price?

Sure, if we can get him at the right price, but I have doubts he'll be affordable with other teams bidding reportedly bidding for his services as well. He is certainly a better pitcher than the one we just traded for, Bud Norris.

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[Quake Griffin]

Led by former Rays general manager and current president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman, the Dodgers are in pursuit of Tampa Bay right-hander Chris Archer. The Rays aren’t planning on moving the 27-year-old as of now, though, which backs up FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal’s report from Saturday.

[Ranma]

I saw the Rosenthal article yesterday mentioning the Rays' intention to shop its pitching while reluctant to deal Archer right now. Friedman's interest makes a lot of sense given that he was the one to acquire him from the Cubs as part of a package for Matt Garza. Despite his struggles this year, Archer is still a valued commodity given his team-friendly contract and performance in the past.

I'm definitely interested, but there's no way I'd include Urias for him. At most, our offer would have to feature Jose De Leon in a package of prospects and I'm beginning to wonder if that might be an overpay at this point.

[Quake Griffin]

http://www.truebluela.com/2016/7/3/12091586/yaisel-sierra-outright-dodgers-minors-bust

[Ranma]

http://www.truebluela.com/2016/7/3/12091586/yaisel-sierra-outright-dodgers-minors-bust

I was fairly skeptical of signing him from the beginning but the fact that he didn't count towards the penalty tax mitigated by misgivings. His inconsistent mechanics with varying release points seem to be the issue, so hopefully, we can smooth that out in the minors. However, he does indeed look like a bust right now.

[Neddy]

one thing to remember tho, is that the professional baseball has been around since the late 1800's and Cal was basically the first tall and large SS to play defensively well while hitting as expected, as of a big guy.

Very true. Seager's a little bigger than Cal too, and I can't recall ever hearing his defense be described as anything better than adequate. His tools as a hitter could make him extremely valuable at the position as long as he doesn't completely crap the bed in the field, though. I'm guessing that, coupled with the fact that there really isn't another shortstop in the system with big league potential yet, are the reasons why everyone seems so insistent on keeping him there.

And since we're on the topic of shortstops, dear Dodgers, please draft this guy in June:

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I dunno where this poster is nowadays, but he called it way before any of us on this kid. good job man. good job.'
this post is from the march of 15, folks.

[Quake Griffin]

David Vassegh ?@THEREAL_DV · 7h7 hours ago

Friedman on trade deadline: "Strength of our system & depth put us in real good position that deals won't happen w/out us being involved."

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Jon Weisman, DodgerInsider.com (7/8/16)

Cody Bellinger (24), Jose De Leon (25), Alex Verdugo (44), Grant Holmes (60), Frankie Montas (82) and Willie Calhoun (98) were the Dodgers listed.

By comparison, the season-opening 2016 Baseball America 100 had Seager (1), Urías (4), De Leon (23), Maeda (50), Bellinger (54), Holmes (72) and Verdugo (100).

Six Dodgers in Baseball America Top 100 Update


Staff Report, Baseball America (7/8/16)

Midseason Top 100 Prospects

[Ranma]

Apparently, the Dodgers almost dealt away two top-5 prospects for Andrew Miller with the Yankees the party to decline the trade. I assume the deal is still on the table if and whenever the Yankees change their mind. I'm going to safely assume that neither Urias or De Leon were a part of the package and I certainly hope Bellinger was not included as well. That would likely leave Verdugo, Holmes, and Montas. Given that Montas is injured, I'll assume that the two prospects offered by the Dodgers were Verdugo and Holmes.

It still seems like an overpay for a relief pitcher, especially since our bullpen has been doing well. It's not like I'm attached to either of those prospects. I've always viewed Verdugo as a trade asset but his trade value seems at a high point where he should be included in a deal for starting pitcher like Sonny Gray or even Jose Fernandez. Obviously, Fernandez is not available but the point is that is the type of quality Verdugo should be included for. Of course, a prospect's value is an expiring commodity the longer he stays in the system without being called up, so that has to be taken into account.

Holmes' progress seems to have stalled but he is still seen as a top-5 prospect in the system for now. However, even with the graduation of Seager and Urias, Holmes looks to fall out of the top 5 with Jordan Sheffield and Gavin Lux joining the developmental pipeline. Sheffield, in particular, replaces Holmes as my anticipated heir apparent to Jansen. I even like Mitchell White better at this point than Holmes, so I'm definitely fine with including him in a trade for Miller.

source via DodgersDigest.com forum (7/9/16)

So stuff really hit the fan on Thursdays night in AZ. DBax owner calling for an emergency meeting with all his executives and he wants accountability. It looks like Hale could be fired any day now with the new manager being....... LaRussa.

Another story before I go: Last week the Dodgers thought they were close on a deal for Yankee RP Miller, but the Yanks kept dragging their feet not sure if they wanting to sell this early in the season. Long story short fk da yanks.

Not like this particular discussion. This one came down to the principles of the deal. They were pretty much agreed upon.

Can't really say but two key players in the deal were top 5 specs. One pitcher and one hitter.

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[Ranma]

1. Julio Urias
2. Cody Bellinger
3. Jose De Leon
4. Alex Verdugo
5. Grant Holmes
6. Yadier Alvarez
7. Frankie Montas
8. Austin Barnes
9. Brock Stewart
10. Jharel Cotton
11. Jordan Sheffield
12. Willie Calhoun
13. Yusniel Diaz
14. Gavin Lux
15. Chase De Jong
16. Walker Beuhler
17. Trevor Oaks
18. Will Smith
19. Josh Sborz
20. Scott Barlow
21. Andrew Toles
22. Johan Mieses
23. Starling Heredia
24. Ariel Sandoval
25. Imani Abdullah
26. Mitch Hansen
27. Jacob Rhame
28. Brendon Davis
29. Kyle Farmer
30. Omar Estevez

Dustin Nosler, DodgersDigest.com (7/11/16)

The next five (alphabetical order): Angel German (44), Micah Johnson (15), Edwin Rios (62), Jacob Scavuzzo (21), Mitchell White (NR)

Here are some guys ranked in the back-half of the Top 100 who would be Top 50 prospects in the system if the season ended today, aside from the “next five” listed above (preseason ranking):

• Isaac Anderson (98)
• Michael Boyle (NR)
• Logan Crouse (69)
• Oneil Cruz (52)
• Dennis Santana (66)
• Andrew Sopko (72)

Here are guys ranked in the Top 100 who are no longer in the system:

• Federico Celli (92, released)
• Justin Chigbogu (67, released)
• Caleb Dirks (48, traded to Braves)
• Yadir Drake (75, released)
• Zach Lee (17, traded to Mariners)
• Jimy Perez (93, released)
• Philip Pfeifer (41, traded to Braves)

Dropped out of Top 30: Yaisel Sierra (14), Micah Johnson (15), Chris Anderson (20), Jordan Paroubeck (23)
Moved into Top 30: Stewart (61 to 9), Sheffield (NR to 11), Lux (NR to 14), Oaks (34 to 17), Smith (NR to 18), Toles (NR to 21), Mieses (35 to 22), Sandoval (40 to 24), Abdullah (38 to 25)
Graduated: Corey Seager (1), Kenta Maeda (4), Trayce Thompson (16), Ross Stripling (18)
Traded (Top 30): Zach Lee (17)
Biggest riser: Toles (+ a lot) and Stewart (+52)
Biggest faller: Anderson (- a ton)

2016 Dodgers Prospects: Midseason Top 30 Update

[Neddy]

Apparently, the Dodgers almost dealt away two top-5 prospects for Andrew Miller with the Yankees the party to decline the trade. I assume the deal is still on the table if and whenever the Yankees change their mind. I'm going to safely assume that neither Urias or De Leon were a part of the package and I certainly hope Bellinger was not included as well. That would likely leave Verdugo, Holmes, and Montas. Given that Montas is injured, I'll assume that the two prospects offered by the Dodgers were Verdugo and Holmes.

It still seems like an overpay for a relief pitcher, especially since our bullpen has been doing well. It's not like I'm attached to either of those prospects. I've always viewed Verdugo as a trade asset but his trade value seems at a high point where he should be included in a deal for starting pitcher like Sonny Gray or even Jose Fernandez. Obviously, Fernandez is not available but the point is that is the type of quality Verdugo should be included for. Of course, a prospect's value is an expiring commodity the longer he stays in the system without being called up, so that has to be taken into account.

Holmes' progress seems to have stalled but he is still seen as a top-5 prospect in the system for now. However, even with the graduation of Seager and Urias, Holmes looks to fall out of the top 5 with Jordan Sheffield and Gavin Lux joining the developmental pipeline. Sheffield, in particular, replaces Holmes as my anticipated heir apparent to Jansen. I even like Mitchell White better at this point than Holmes, so I'm definitely fine with including him in a trade for Miller.

source via DodgersDigest.com forum (7/9/16)

So stuff really hit the fan on Thursdays night in AZ. DBax owner calling for an emergency meeting with all his executives and he wants accountability. It looks like Hale could be fired any day now with the new manager being....... LaRussa.

Another story before I go: Last week the Dodgers thought they were close on a deal for Yankee RP Miller, but the Yanks kept dragging their feet not sure if they wanting to sell this early in the season. Long story short fk da yanks.

Not like this particular discussion. This one came down to the principles of the deal. They were pretty much agreed upon.

Can't really say but two key players in the deal were top 5 specs. One pitcher and one hitter.

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Christ that would have been a classic Ned Colletti deal. thank the Yanks for turning that offer down!

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David Hood, TrueBlueLA.com (7/13/16)

Dodgers 2016 Midseason Top 20 Prospects

[Quake Griffin]

Well, glad that didnt go through. Now we can see the market develop before we strike. I would feel very uncomfortable with that price for Miller given that the Sox only gave up one prospect for Pomeranz. I'm not comfortable in general with the market for relievers since the Royals run began. I wasn't interested in an overpay in the winter. I'm not interested in one now.

[Quake Griffin]

Apparently, the Dodgers almost dealt away two top-5 prospects for Andrew Miller with the Yankees the party to decline the trade. I assume the deal is still on the table if and whenever the Yankees change their mind. I'm going to safely assume that neither Urias or De Leon were a part of the package and I certainly hope Bellinger was not included as well. That would likely leave Verdugo, Holmes, and Montas. Given that Montas is injured, I'll assume that the two prospects offered by the Dodgers were Verdugo and Holmes.

It still seems like an overpay for a relief pitcher, especially since our bullpen has been doing well. It's not like I'm attached to either of those prospects. I've always viewed Verdugo as a trade asset but his trade value seems at a high point where he should be included in a deal for starting pitcher like Sonny Gray or even Jose Fernandez. Obviously, Fernandez is not available but the point is that is the type of quality Verdugo should be included for. Of course, a prospect's value is an expiring commodity the longer he stays in the system without being called up, so that has to be taken into account.

Holmes' progress seems to have stalled but he is still seen as a top-5 prospect in the system for now. However, even with the graduation of Seager and Urias, Holmes looks to fall out of the top 5 with Jordan Sheffield and Gavin Lux joining the developmental pipeline. Sheffield, in particular, replaces Holmes as my anticipated heir apparent to Jansen. I even like Mitchell White better at this point than Holmes, so I'm definitely fine with including him in a trade for Miller.

source via DodgersDigest.com forum (7/9/16)

So stuff really hit the fan on Thursdays night in AZ. DBax owner calling for an emergency meeting with all his executives and he wants accountability. It looks like Hale could be fired any day now with the new manager being....... LaRussa.

Another story before I go: Last week the Dodgers thought they were close on a deal for Yankee RP Miller, but the Yanks kept dragging their feet not sure if they wanting to sell this early in the season. Long story short fk da yanks.

Not like this particular discussion. This one came down to the principles of the deal. They were pretty much agreed upon.

Can't really say but two key players in the deal were top 5 specs. One pitcher and one hitter.

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Christ that would have been a classic Ned Colletti deal. thank the Yanks for turning that offer down!

Or an Alex Anthuopolos (sp?) deal. He's never been shy about pulling the trigger on sending prospects out for elite talent. I just don't think his BA doing it was that good in Toronto. Apparently we like having him in the FO because everybody thinks different in our FO.

No way on earth I'd give up 2 quality prospects for a guy who is going to throw 60-70 innings a year.

[Ranma]

There's speculation that trade talks could involve both Evan Longoria and Chris Archer in a packaged deal as well as Jake Odorizzi and/or Logan Forsythe instead. We'd be relieving Tampa Bay of Longoria's remaining long-term commitment before his 10-and-5 rights kick in. He's still productive but even if he's included with Archer, I would not part with Julio Urias in trade. My preference would be to put together a package headlined by Jose De Leon with Grant Holmes and Alex Verdugo as well as others (preferrably not Cody Bellinger).

I'm not counting on anything happening, but it could explain are lackluster interest in Yulieski Gurriel.

Jon Paul Morosi, MLB.com (7/18/16)

The Dodgers and Rays are engaged in trade discussions, sources say, and that is not surprising: Andrew Friedman, the Dodgers' president of baseball operations, was the Rays' general manager for nearly a decade. He was fond of many Tampa Bay players at the time he acquired them. Presumably, he remains fond of them now.

The next question then is the precise nature of those talks between the Dodgers and Rays -- and if Evan Longoria, Tampa Bay's three-time All-Star third baseman, is part of them.

Based on information from sources over the past several days, I believe there's a low probability of the Dodgers acquiring Longoria before the Aug. 1 non-waiver Trade Deadline.

Could Dodgers Have Interest in Longoria?

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