The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

[dremill24]

The 'needle' is back lol

[Kerrsed]

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[thamadkant]

Some fans here should be disgusted at DeRozan's contract... the guy cant shoot well. Assuming we are judging players equally.

[bwgood77]

I rather SUNS not do anything at all.... than sign meh players at RIDICULOUS money.

Wait for next season and offer 60 Million (per year) for 2 All-Stars...

I agree. Probably not gonna happen, but hopefully we don't give out a crazy contract. Don't mind waiving Goodwin though. He will never move a needle either.

[dremill24]

I rather SUNS not do anything at all.... than sign meh players at RIDICULOUS money.

Wait for next season and offer 60 Million (per year) for 2 All-Stars...

I agree. Probably not gonna happen, but hopefully we don't give out a crazy contract. Don't mind waiving Goodwin though. He will never move a needle either.

I'm not a Goodwin fan, but I'd have to think he could net us a little something in a trade

[AtheJ415]

Real Plus Minus doesnt tell the whole story though... bottom feeder teams' starter lineups will have terrible RPM values...

with that said, Mozgov is a meh player just by watching him play.

Mozgov was on one of the best teams in the league all year. He is trash. At best a respectable rotation player. It's an overpay, but they probably look at next year's cap going up more and feel like that justifies it.

But what they're forgetting is next year's class is better, so that type of deal banking doesn't necessarily work out.

[Kerrsed]

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[AtheJ415]

That's a trade worth doing, but Rubio and Bledsoe both deserve to start, but I don't think I'd want to start them together. Booker certainly deserves to start but I don't want him starting at the 3.

I completely disagree here. Pekovic is awful, and while expiring, Tyson's deal is going to become normal in 5 hours once Noah inks that $18 mil and TJ his $10 mil. We ought to be able to, at worst, dump Tyson for nothing.

Knight has value. He's only 24, and while we all hate watching him, he's worth a pick or 2 today imo, and probably worth more in 5 hours when Tyler Johnson sets the market.

Rubio does everything well except shoot, but that shot is a mammoth, mammoth negative that makes him a barely above neutral player.

if you check his RPM and on/off numbers he actually has a high positive impact, much moreso than Knight

He plays for a team with no depth. That inflates his on/off numbers, and even then his VORP and WS kinda suck. He's worse than Bledsoe with less upside. Comparing him to Knight, who we know was awful last year, is a stupid way to go about analyzing whether Rubio is desireable. Knight holds value in the league, probably more than he should. In this environment, with his contract, we could trade him for a couple picks or a decent young player on a rookie deal. I would much rather have either picks or the rookie than Rubio. Hell, I'd almost take Knight over him just because Knight's issues are shot selection, so you could argue upside there. Regardless, trading one middling point guard for another middling point guard (and Rubio is that. He's glorified and overrated by every "beautiful game" type basketball fan out there. His actual impact does not and has NEVER made him elite) is not the way to go.

Pekovic is a guy who should hold 0 value to a team like us. It would make sense if we were desperate to move Tyson, but we should be able to move him on his own after FA sorts out.

I could understand this trade if 0 other deals were ever available, but that's simply not likely to be the case given this market and how it's playing out. Trade for picks.

[thamadkant]

Real Plus Minus doesnt tell the whole story though... bottom feeder teams' starter lineups will have terrible RPM values...

with that said, Mozgov is a meh player just by watching him play.

Mozgov was on one of the best teams in the league all year. He is trash. At best a respectable rotation player. It's an overpay, but they probably look at next year's cap going up more and feel like that justifies it.

But what they're forgetting is next year's class is better, so that type of deal banking doesn't necessarily work out.

Just in case, my RPM comment about bottom feeder teams was reference to Hibbert and Okafor.

But on the Cavs, Mozgov is a bad fit... big men who needs space to operate down low offensively are TERRIBLE next to Lebron James... only shot blockers tend to be useful next to him... rebounders also tend to lose lots of rebounds next to James because they are instructed to box out for him a lot of times.

[sunsbum]

You guys know timofy had a career before last year right? When the guy gets around 30 min a game he will give you 10/8/1.5. Tristan thompson just got maxed out last yea in case you forgot.

What would the math be if he was getting this same contract on last years salary cap?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Well were 3 hours and and the suns aren't linked to anything incredibly dumb. I'm going to call that a win

[LukasBMW]

I really hope we stand pat.

The only available PF I would max out is Al Horford. With Horford, maybe we make the playoffs.

Oherwise let's take a bargain contract or place holder contract that is frontloaded with a team option for next year on either a guy like T Jones or Mirza.

[thamadkant]

Well were 3 hours and and the suns aren't linked to anything incredibly dumb. I'm going to call that a win

+1

If McD turns off his mobile/cell phone off for the next 24 hours, that would be ideal.

Just keep it as it is...Unless an All-Star is coming on board.

[thamadkant]

You guys know timofy had a career before last year right? When the guy gets around 30 min a game he will give you 10/8/1.5. Tristan thompson just got maxed out last yea in case you forgot.

What would the math be if he was getting this same contract on last years salary cap?

Thompson is over paid though... but justified by their championship.

Mozgov WAS indeed a solid big man, but Lakers could of had him lower than 17 million a year, he was under the radar. I don't think many teams was looking at him since Howard, Whiteside, Noah and Horford are on the market.

What Kupchak did is basically RAISED everyone else's value...

[Mulhollanddrive]

I wonder if we could get a borderline All-Star for around $14m for 4, given the way the Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler deals look so good now.

[sunsbum]

You guys know timofy had a career before last year right? When the guy gets around 30 min a game he will give you 10/8/1.5. Tristan thompson just got maxed out last yea in case you forgot.

What would the math be if he was getting this same contract on last years salary cap?

Thompson is over paid though... but justified by their championship.

Mozgov WAS indeed a solid big man, but Lakers could of had him lower than 17 million a year, he was under the radar. I don't think many teams was looking at him since Howard, Whiteside, Noah and Horford are on the market.

What Kupchak did is basically RAISED everyone else's value...

im not saying i would have went after him, i just think the board is overreacting a bit. People are making it out to be the worst contract ever signed in the NBA based purely on last seasons performance.

[Kerrsed]

You guys know timofy had a career before last year right? When the guy gets around 30 min a game he will give you 10/8/1.5. Tristan thompson just got maxed out last yea in case you forgot.

What would the math be if he was getting this same contract on last years salary cap?

Roughly a little over $10M.

Thats what Lakerfans are using to justify the fact that their teams #1 target has been Mozgov.

[AtheJ415]

You guys know timofy had a career before last year right? When the guy gets around 30 min a game he will give you 10/8/1.5. Tristan thompson just got maxed out last yea in case you forgot.

What would the math be if he was getting this same contract on last years salary cap?

Tristan Thompson got maxed out because of GM Lebron. He didn't deserve a max. But even if you believed he did deserve that, it would be because of his defense and offensive rebounding, which are better quantified using other stats. But regardless Tristan getting maxed is exactly the problem here. One bad deal resets the market, and stupid GMs and owners use it to justify stupid deals in perpetuity, which leads to lockouts.

There is no justifying the deal Mozgov just got. He's a respectable, non-impact player. Giving him 18% of the cap or so is moronic.

[Mulhollanddrive]

It's going to be hard to find a starting C re-signing for less than $16m from here.

Len will be our highest paid player next year.

[AtheJ415]

With the current market I hope we sign nobody. Literally just take a scrap guy at the vet minimum.

I'd still take Solomon Hill or Derrick Williams at the right price.