Millsap or Ibaka

[paperboymafia]

Millsap is much better on defense than Ibaka at this point in their careers. Plus there are doubts about Serge's age.

Just because a few African born players have been known to do so - let's not be so hasty as to assume they all do it.

It's not just that. I've just seen some articles pointing out his progression curve matches better with him peaking 4 years ago. Plus other stuff like his 10 year old daughter, the breakdown in the way he moves, etc.

I've read those too (i looked around after reading your original post) so I can understand the concerns, however there are also posts/things written that can also attribute some of that "decline" to team play/other players etc - ie; there may be loads of subtleties involved. In any case - even if he declined due to age or whatever, he will still bring something to the table we've sorely lacked. Millsap ain't the youngest guy either...what if he hits the age wall in the next 2 years? I guess its a matter of picking your poison. Let's wait and see. I think Ibaka is the better choice.

[KingRobb02]

if you would ask an unbiased group they would all say Millsap.

But we smoke crack here...

What if you asked which player you'd want to give a 4 year deal to next July?

Ibaka 27, 30% of cap max salary
Millsap 32, 35% of cap max salary

Except one is on an upward trend and the other is on a downward.

[KingRobb02]

Just because a few African born players have been known to do so - let's not be so hasty as to assume they all do it.

It's not just that. I've just seen some articles pointing out his progression curve matches better with him peaking 4 years ago. Plus other stuff like his 10 year old daughter, the breakdown in the way he moves, etc.

I've read those too (i looked around after reading your original post) so I can understand the concerns, however there are also posts/things written that can also attribute some of that "decline" to team play/other players etc - ie; there may be loads of subtleties involved. In any case - even if he declined due to age or whatever, he will still bring something to the table we've sorely lacked. Millsap ain't the youngest guy either...what if he hits the age wall in the next 2 years? I guess its a matter of picking your poison. Let's wait and see. I think Ibaka is the better choice.

I think the change in scheme was adding a real rim protector like Adams. We don't have that problem, but we do have a different problem if we plan to play him next to Vuc. Rim protection isn't just a check box. We will need to not make the same mistake OKC made by having our shot blocker guarding a PF at the 3 point line, while our defensive liability is still guarding the rim.

People talking about age and contracts and such, you do realize that we will probably need to offer Ibaka the 5 year max next summer right? Is he really that crucial to a winning team?

[OrlandO]

if you would ask an unbiased group they would all say Millsap.

But we smoke crack here...

What if you asked which player you'd want to give a 4 year deal to next July?

Ibaka 27, 30% of cap max salary
Millsap 32, 35% of cap max salary

Except one is on an upward trend and the other is on a downward.

You're right, next season Ibaka will trend up due to being used more again and Millsap will start to show decline due to his age.

[KingRobb02]

What if you asked which player you'd want to give a 4 year deal to next July?

Ibaka 27, 30% of cap max salary
Millsap 32, 35% of cap max salary

Except one is on an upward trend and the other is on a downward.

You're right, next season Ibaka will trend up due to being used more again and Millsap will start to show decline due to his age.

If you believe that, I have a gently used Harrison Barnes to sell you...

[pogiro]

Should be more like Kristaps or Ibaka, IMO.

Wut?

[Hilltop]

MIllsap has been one of my favourite players the past couple years. He's also been better than Ibaka on both ends of the floor, no question about it.

In terms of who makes more sense in the long-term, I would probably say Ibaka. He's just the younger and more affordable option at this point.

[Hilltop]

Millsap is much better on defense than Ibaka at this point in their careers. Plus there are doubts about Serge's age.

Just because a few African born players have been known to do so - let's not be so hasty as to assume they all do it.

It's not just that. I've just seen some articles pointing out his progression curve matches better with him peaking 4 years ago. Plus other stuff like his 10 year old daughter, the breakdown in the way he moves, etc.

Any links to share? I'm actually curious to see how old people actually think Serge is.

[Orlwillbeback]

MIllsap has been one of my favourite players the past couple years. He's also been better than Ibaka on both ends of the floor, no question about it.

In terms of who makes more sense in the long-term, I would probably say Ibaka. He's just the younger and more affordable option at this point.

Uh we are about to mega pay Ibaka next year.

[KingRobb02]

MIllsap has been one of my favourite players the past couple years. He's also been better than Ibaka on both ends of the floor, no question about it.

In terms of who makes more sense in the long-term, I would probably say Ibaka. He's just the younger and more affordable option at this point.

Uh we are about to mega pay Ibaka next year.

Word

[Nightman]

MIllsap has been one of my favourite players the past couple years. He's also been better than Ibaka on both ends of the floor, no question about it.

In terms of who makes more sense in the long-term, I would probably say Ibaka. He's just the younger and more affordable option at this point.

Uh we are about to mega pay Ibaka next year.

And he'll still be cheaper than Millsap due to age.

[paperboymafia]

It's not just that. I've just seen some articles pointing out his progression curve matches better with him peaking 4 years ago. Plus other stuff like his 10 year old daughter, the breakdown in the way he moves, etc.

I've read those too (i looked around after reading your original post) so I can understand the concerns, however there are also posts/things written that can also attribute some of that "decline" to team play/other players etc - ie; there may be loads of subtleties involved. In any case - even if he declined due to age or whatever, he will still bring something to the table we've sorely lacked. Millsap ain't the youngest guy either...what if he hits the age wall in the next 2 years? I guess its a matter of picking your poison. Let's wait and see. I think Ibaka is the better choice.

I think the change in scheme was adding a real rim protector like Adams. We don't have that problem, but we do have a different problem if we plan to play him next to Vuc. Rim protection isn't just a check box. We will need to not make the same mistake OKC made by having our shot blocker guarding a PF at the 3 point line, while our defensive liability is still guarding the rim.

People talking about age and contracts and such, you do realize that we will probably need to offer Ibaka the 5 year max next summer right? Is he really that crucial to a winning team?

Won't know without trying.

[paperboymafia]

Just because a few African born players have been known to do so - let's not be so hasty as to assume they all do it.

It's not just that. I've just seen some articles pointing out his progression curve matches better with him peaking 4 years ago. Plus other stuff like his 10 year old daughter, the breakdown in the way he moves, etc.

Any links to share? I'm actually curious to see how old people actually think Serge is.

https://m.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/49p2zw/is_serge_ibaka_actually_way_older_than_his_listed/

shrug

[paperboymafia]

Apologies for multiple posts.

Last thing I'll share about the age thing -

Growing up playing ball there was an African kid in our neighbourhood who was 14 years old but could EASILY pass for someone 18-20. I'm certain at 20 he'd pass for 28-30.

Some folk grow into their shoes a lot earlier so to say.

Also, medical science is advanced enough to make a good judgement call on someones physical capabilities/potential.

[Xatticus]

Millsap. He is a significantly better player right now.

[Nyce_1]

If Hawks are trying to trade Millsap for cap space so they can re-sign Horford, there's a chance we can have BOTH.