The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Post #1721 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:53 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Buddy Hield on $4m or Kent Bazemore on $22m.

Damian Lillard has average $4m in his career so far.

Drafting Seniors may be ALOT better value than middle tier FAs.

That's not a very good comparison though. You should compare what Lillard HAS made to what Bazemore HAS made. I'm betting Lillard will make far more than Bazemore on his next contract. Lillard, Curry and McCollum are a tiny fraction of seniors who were very productive within a year or two in the NBA also. Bazemore was a 4 year senior too btw.

saintEscaton · Post #1722 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:55 am

bwgood77 wrote:
carey wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:Does anyone know if we can front load a contract? E.g can we sign a guy like Marvin Williams to 4 years 80 mil in a 30, 25, 15, 10 - structure?

Something like that would be ideal, we meet the cap floor for the first to 2 years and then have a super cheap contract to use as a trade chip when we're ready to move Bender or Chriss into the starting PF spot in 2018.

You can front load a contract but it can only decrease in the same set percentages that they can also increase. So, no you can't do that.

It's always 4.5% either way unless it is your own FA, then it's 7.5% each year.

Yeah the 2011 CBA has a loophole that permits backloaded poison pill contracts only, so teams can force anyone who matches an offer sheet on an RFA to take a big cap hit. If they permitted front loading it would be too easy to get out of the lux tax threshold

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1723 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:55 am

This guy just made $50m

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillso01.html

I'm sure the NBA is hard and everything, but I wouldn't put it past a poster to be able to put up those stats.

Post #1724 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:57 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:This guy just made $50m

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillso01.html

I'm sure the NBA is hard and everything, but I wouldn't put it past a poster to be able to put up those stats.

GO CATS!

Post #1725 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:59 am

carey wrote:
bwgood77 wrote: Very interesting that we are retaining Leuer's cap hold. If he is the only one we are retaining, than you can bet we are going to swing big for someone. The ONLY reason to keep a cap hold is so you can sign the guy to go OVER the cap.

They are probably just assuming we have his cap hold. At least until he signs somewhere else and we don't. I think the general rule of thumb is you keep all cap holds and trade exceptions until you need to renounce them to sign someone.

The main reason I mentioned it is because Price's cap hold wasn't mentioned, and I don't know if that news was before or after Telly had signed...if they just mentioned Leuer seems kind of odd.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1726 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:01 am

If the Cap keeps going up 30% every 4 years then even bad long term contracts will look good by the end.

EG. Tristan Thompson got the Max $17m which will be cheap in 2018. Timothy Mozgov got $16m which may be cheap in 2020.

carey · Post #1727 » by **carey** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:02 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If the Cap keeps going up 30% every 4 years then even bad long term contracts will look good by the end.

It's not going to.

NaturalBuns · Post #1728 » by **NaturalBuns** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:03 am

saintEscaton wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:190mil on Hayward?

I'd rather max Barnes...

Hayward is not special that would be worse then the Conley contract. He's not a difference maker

So you'd pay Hayward 190mil over 80 on Barnes? Hayward doesn't carry a team into the playoffs. 190mil is devastating

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1729 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:03 am

carey wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:If the Cap keeps going up 30% every 4 years then even bad long term contracts will look good by the end.

It's not going to.

Speculated $130m in 2020.

carey · Post #1730 » by **carey** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:06 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:
carey wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:If the Cap keeps going up 30% every 4 years then even bad long term contracts will look good by the end.

It's not going to.

Speculated $130m in 2020.

By whom? The TV deal is the Tv deal, then there's the lockout in 2017. Who thinks it's going to spike to 130? I've not seen that.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1731 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:07 am

Would anyone be surprised if Chandler and Tucker were dealt?

They have been extremely quiet and hardly mentioned by FO and the complete opposite of the direction we've taken.

Post #1732 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:09 am

Should go hard after wade and dirk...

YouTube · Post #1733 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:10 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Would anyone be surprised if Chandler and Tucker were dealt?

They have been extremely quiet and hardly mentioned by FO and the complete opposite of the direction we've taken.

I wouldnt be surprised at all.

King4Day · Post #1734 » by **King4Day** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:12 am

Signed Dudley 3 years 30 mil

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/749062066967896064[/tweet]

YouTube · Post #1735 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:13 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JaredDudley619/status/749062976846503937[/tweet]

carey · Post #1736 » by **carey** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:13 am

UGH. Love JMZ, but why? Doesn't make sense with Tucker here it's the exact same role.

TheSunGod · Post #1737 » by **TheSunGod** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:14 am

Welcome home Jared!

kennydorglas · Post #1738 » by **kennydorglas** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:16 am

YEAHHHHH DUDLEY

YouTube · Post #1739 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:16 am

carey wrote:UGH. Love JMZ, but why? Doesn't make sense with Tucker here it's the exact same role.

What are you talking about, JD is our new starting PF! :lol:

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1740 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:16 am

carey wrote:UGH. Love JMZ, but why? Doesn't make sense with Tucker here it's the exact same role.

I assume it's so we can have a guy who can play 4, while at the same time isn't restricted to playing the 4 and taking minutes away from Bender/Chriss.

Which free agent(s) would you most like to go for? One or top two choices