Worst contract so far?

[Kurosawa0]

Conley is rough, but it was predictable. The Mosgov one is the weirdest. Doesn't fit the Lakers' timeline and it was an overpay even in this market.

[dirtymike]

Those saying Evan Fournier's contract is bad, please explain.

After looking at the 'other' Evan's contract...it aint bad after all.

[CoolD]

Moz
Turner
Conley
Parsons

[jmdibastiani]

Definitely Solomon Hill.

At his absolute best, this dude was scoring 10 points a game, and that was while Paul George was out with a pretty serious injury. Even from that one season, he isn't worth $13 million a year.

At the most, he's worth maybe $3 million

[Avihs7]

Conley is now making 30 mil a year and steph curry is making 12 mil a year.

[AndriPerdhian93]

Conley and batum contract

[JellosJigglin]

Conley is rough, but it was predictable. The Mosgov one is the weirdest. Doesn't fit the Lakers' timeline and it was an overpay even in this market.

Weird? He fills a desperate need. Robert Sacre and some rookie named Zubac would be their centers going into next season if they didn't sign a 5. Whiteside wasn't interested and Horford will command even more. This is one of those signings that people will look back on and say "yeah we overreacted". Yes it's an overpay, just like every other contract this season, but only slightly in today's market. When you're a 17 win team you have to slightly overpay.

There is no timeline. They just needed to fill a need and he was the best option available. Brian Shaw has coached him and Luke Walton has coached against him. They know what they're getting.

[Guest202]

The Mosgov one is the weirdest. Doesn't fit the Lakers' timeline and it was an overpay even in this market.

They're in tank mode. 2016 is strongest draft in years.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

My god, Etwan Moore 10 million...

The season hasn't even started yet and I already feel horrible for Anthony Davis. Looks like he's the new KG in more ways than one.

[New_Hawks_Era]

Off the top I'd say Turner on the other hand, Dwight cut his hometown team a bargain.

[Doctor MJ]

A very interesting day.

- We're seeing an overcompensation for the rise in the cap now when we see someone like Conley making a veteran's max. Basically, the one time jump means that teams at least think that the fact everyone else has cap room means it makes sense to do whatever it takes to keep a guy they just plain don't want to lose. I love Conley, but I don't believe he'd be getting a veteran max if the system had been more stable.

So yeah, this means that teams are about to get themselves in over their head, and we'll soon see team over the new cap worse than they were over the old cap, and foolish teams are going to bury themselves. Case in point I'm afraid, Memphis. Things have gone well in Memphis these past few years - they finally have a solid fanbase - and they want to milk that as long as possible. It seems likely though they are going to shortly be in a place where they are clearly getting worse and are paying tons of money.

- That said, Conley's deal wasn't a WTF one for me because I understand where the Grizzlies are coming from even if I wouldn't advise it. It's the guys like Turner and Mozgov whose deals just seem like the numbers were plucked out of thin air. I'm going to address Mozgov because the Lakers are my team:

If you forget about the actual money value, Mozgov seems to make sense from a perspective of rounding out the team. He's older than the core, but that's okay, it's fine to have a veteran role player with a young core. What bothers me more is that I just keep getting the sense that Jim Buss is a something of an optimistic simpleton. I've defended Laker management in the face of the failed Dwight experiment, but in the years since it seems clear that Jim was making moves truly believing the team was one puzzle piece away from actually being good when those of us objective knew the team would be nothing close to that.

With this concern in mind, I feel a certain narrative hard to shake: That Jim was paying attention to the narrative which said Mozgov was the perfect fit that helped Cleveland become great last year, and so he can do it again whenever the Lil' Lakers are ready. And of course that means I'm saying that the lessons of THIS season essentially bounced off Jim, as Mozgov wasn't simply surpassed by Thompson so much as he became glued to the bench as a not-so-fast really-big big in an era where guys like that are often glued to the bench.

And that's where you have to remember the money again, because while that amount of money isn't remotely crazy in the new NBA for a starting big man you're happy with, Mozgov is a guy that I'd certainly hope to get a sneak peak on before I tied up that money on him.

[Walmart]

It's Hill or Beal to me.

[nitrous]

Mozgov but Conley is a close second.

[Doctor MJ]

Re: Noah. The size of the contract doesn't bother me, and I totally get why Jackson would want to take a shot at Noah - he's a beautiful passer and Phil loves those...but the way the Knicks basically continue to double down on a core more focused on Melo than KP to me screams that they are about to fall into the same trap they always fall into.

Before KP was such a hit, I would have merely sighed because it's not like I saw anything else enticing to do with the roster. But once you get someone like KP, that's your new franchise. Fine to keep Melo, particularly since you may not have a choice, but working to build around Melo's biological clock is precisely what you don't want your GM to do. It could be Dolan of course, but the additional concerns is that we may end up concluding that as a GM, Phil Jackson is a heck of a coach.

(Of course, a heck of a coach to me seems like he wouldn't be salivating over this team either, but I'll give Phil and his 11 rings the benefit of the doubt on that one.)

[DrClutch]

Hill, Mozgov, Derozon,Beal... Im not going to say Conley was a bad deal but he is the heart of the grizzlies .. He is very underrated playing in the west coast but the team needs their leader and Conley pushes memphis every year he's played ...

[qm22]

Noah, Mozgov, or Parsons... for the 2nd time.

His first big contract he made more than Dirk using the money Dirk sacrificed to sign help. It seemed like Cuban used that to target Parsons as a way to antagonize Morey with a huge overpay, more than try to find the more complex fit. Morey on the signing: "an untradeable contract".

Parsons didn't noticeably improve in any way since the last contract, has serious injury concerns, and got almost $10M/year more in the 4 year $94M deal.

If he was healthy it would still be bad. Whoever has the worst health of Parsons, Noah, Mozgov will make up the worst signing.

[moocow007]

Hill absolutely. At least with the other guys there's some proven production or talent to justify the crazy contracts. Honestly, what on earth has Hill done to even justify half that amount even with this cap spike? A guy like Lance Thomas must be calling his agent going "WTF? where's my crazy money?"

And honestly, it's still good to see that Dell Demps still has not clue what he's doing. Not only did he give Hill this absolutely ludicrous and excessive contract, he goes and signs another fring-ish guy in Etwaan Moore to a $32 million contract. Moore also likely wouldn't be in the rotation for many teams in the NBA. Langston Galloway must also be on the phone with his agent asking the same thing that Lance Thomas must be asking.

EDIT: Now there's a Pel's fan (who appears to love both signings) on their board hoping that they give the remaining $8 million to Quincy Acy.

[treefi]

Definitely Solomon Hill.

At his absolute best, this dude was scoring 10 points a game, and that was while Paul George was out with a pretty serious injury. Even from that one season, he isn't worth $13 million a year.

At the most, he's worth maybe $3 million

Yeah, Solomon Hill couldn't make a third of the teams in the NBA.

[treefi]

Evan Turner's contract is pretty gross though.

[ratul]

Etwuan Moore and Solomon hill. New Orleans man oh man