2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[nuposse04]

Washington being the weakest of the teams at the table, we would have to throw some crazy cash his way. At his age, Horford is going to the best team.

What happens to Kief then? We tossed the 13 pick to get a starting PF.

I don't see why he would go to the Rockets. I could get him going to the Warriors though. Then it comes down to weather we can pitch a better sell then Bos. I imagine in BOS they'd utilize him primarily at the center spot... so it kind of comes down to what Al PREFERS to do in this stage of his career. BOS will have to pay Olly and Bradley next offseason I believe... but they draft relatively well so it shouldn't be problematic for them to retool.

The question is how much better is Horford then the 4/5s BOS has. He is already an immensely better 4 then anyone on our roster.

Horford's belief in Beal improving also matters... and if he an intelligent fellow, he probably wouldn't put too much faith in that.

[keynote]

Washington being the weakest of the teams at the table, we would have to throw some crazy cash his way. At his age, Horford is going to the best team.

I dunno, actually. Houston doesn't have a starting C, and ATL just lost its starting PG and SF. I suppose ATL could try to play Milsap at the SF, but that's a slow lineup.

The biggest competition comes from Boston, obviously: they're deeper, and they're well-coached. I'd assume that the Wizards' pitch focused on Brooks' resume (he's obviously had deeper playoff runs than Butler), and Wall/Beal. Boston still has the edge (the history of success, the jerseys in the rafters), but I wouldn't count ourselves out.

Now, if Horford legitimately thinks that Boston can land him *and* Durant -- well, then, we should start preparing for the Ryan Anderson era.

What happens to Kief then? We tossed the 13 pick to get a starting PF.

That's a good problem to have.

[nuposse04]

So what's the plan here if we get Horford? Where did they tell him he would play? Keef to the bench? Keef at the 3? What's the deal with Porter? Is there a trade happening?

Keef would actually be good off the bench. Plus Horford could get spot minutes at the 5 here and there. Add in Tomas, perhaps Alan Anderson, Temple and this McClellen kid and it all comes out decently. Maybe Ochefu can give 5-10 mins a night at center as well, that or some vet min guy.

Horford REALLY balances the roster IMO. The only weak link left is Beal. :/

[LyricalRico]

What happens to Kief then? We tossed the 13 pick to get a starting PF.

So what's the plan here if we get Horford? Where did they tell him he would play? Keef to the bench? Keef at the 3? What's the deal with Porter? Is there a trade happening?

IMO Porter would start at SF and Morris would be the third big, who can play with either Gortat or Horford. Considering what the market has been for bigs on his tier so far today, that's pretty good IMO. Reserve backcourt would a bigger issue with whatever money they would have left.

[keynote]

The meeting was in person. Better sign than the courtesy phone screening interview Batum gave us.

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[P'Oed]

Might sound stupid but Beal and Horford are also both Florida Gators. If you think Beal is the weak link as far as recruiting Al I think you might be thinking wrong there. Those college brotherhoods mean a whole lot in this kind of process.

[JWizmentality]

I put our chances at 40%. I think our main competition is OKC or Boston depending on what KD does.

[80sballboy]

Why would Horford stay with Atlanta when they have Dwight and Millsap, who can play some 3 but that's not his best position.

[keynote]

I put our chances at 40%. I think our main competition is OKC or Boston depending on what KD does.

He wants to make his decision this weekend, according to af least one report. That's enough time for Boston (who allegedly made their offer tonight), but I wonder if OKC can pivot in time, since they'd have to wait for KD to say no -- or dump Kanter et al. to make room.

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[Jay81]

Ernie just got a three year extension for getting an in person meeting

[CobraCommander]

Is al horford that good?

[nuposse04]

Ernie just got a three year extension for getting an in person meeting

[LyricalRico]

Why would Horford stay with Atlanta when they have Dwight and Millsap, who can play some 3 but that's not his best position.

I'm assuming they would trade Milsap. A Wiz offer of Porter+Keef would be competitive IMO, and I think we'd still have over $20M left to spend.

[Illuminaire]

I'd gouge my eyes out if Terrence Jones got $10 mil per. The guy was unplayable last year. He offers no defense or floor spacing offensively, I wonder why this board fawns over him so much.

He was admittedly really bad this season, but the previous 3 seasons look pretty darn good. PER in the 18 range. WS/48 around .160. ORtg of 115. And all at the tender age of 23.

I haven't followed Houston enough to know why he sucked so bad this year. Was he hurt or did he just inexplicably regress?

He had nerve issues and back problems. That's a big red flag - he might overcome them and be fine, but those are the kinds of injuries that can ruin a career.

[Dat2U]

Why would Horford stay with Atlanta when they have Dwight and Millsap, who can play some 3 but that's not his best position.

I'm assuming they would trade Milsap. A Wiz offer of Porter+Keef would be competitive IMO, and I think we'd still have over $20M left to spend.

I'm a huge Porter fan but I would make that move in a heartbeat. Millsap is criminally underrated and is arguably one of the best PFs in the league. We would have to figure out the SF spot tho.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Now I'm gonna get my hopes up.

If they get Horford this is a good off-season.

What happens to Kief then? We tossed the 13 pick to get a starting PF.

So what's the plan here if we get Horford? Where did they tell him he would play? Keef to the bench? Keef at the 3? What's the deal with Porter? Is there a trade happening?

IMO Porter would start at SF and Morris would be the third big, who can play with either Gortat or Horford. Considering what the market has been for bigs on his tier so far today, that's pretty good IMO. Reserve backcourt would a bigger issue with whatever money they would have left.

Yeah Keef would basically replace Nene as 3rd big off the bench at PF/C. You got some flexibility with Keef & Horford both able to switch between the 4 and 5. You roll a starting 5 Gortat, Horford, Porter, Beal, Wall, with Morris and Oubre off the bench.

Agree Beal being a Gator can be a plus. Atl and DC have had some good battles over past couple years, so he knows this team has talent to win. Having other bigs to help take the load is a plus, as is Wall pass 1st pg. If we can match the money I think we could have a legit shot.

As far a backcourt depth, how about UFA Greivis Vasquez? Maybe we can bring in Satoransky. Any of Temple, Sessions, Thornton, Anderson are worth trying to keep depending on money.

[gambitx777]

Some of this money that is getting tossed around is insane.

[deneem4]

its between us trailblazers and Celtics
I think we're going to pull this one off....
If the Warriors don't

[queridiculo]

Why would Horford stay with Atlanta when they have Dwight and Millsap, who can play some 3 but that's not his best position.

I'm assuming they would trade Milsap. A Wiz offer of Porter+Keef would be competitive IMO, and I think we'd still have over $20M left to spend.

I'm a huge Porter fan but I would make that move in a heartbeat. Millsap is criminally underrated and is arguably one of the best PFs in the league. We would have to figure out the SF spot tho.

I like Millsap, but I wouldn't move Porter to get him. Otto has the potential to be really really good, moving him for a 31 year old strikes me as bad business.

[jangles86]

Can horford play the 5?