The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

[bwgood77]

I feel like though if we do spend big on a veteren and don't make playoffs, that's worse for McDonough than right now.

I don't know. Sarver seems like the type of guy that thinks we could get into the playoffs with our rookies if that's how we started the season and if we ended up with 20 something wins, McD failed. If he signs Millsap and we barely miss, he probably thinks he's close.

Sarver seems to kind of think like a casual fan about how McD is doing, so McD kind of has to appease that or he will likely lose his job. It sucks because he's kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.

But to be fair on the other side, NO OWNER accepts losing for long...even Philly who embraced the tanking thing ended up basically squeezing Hinkie out anyway. Most every other team in the league, if not all of them are not embracing a FULL youth movement. These owners need to sell tickets, and as much as most of us want to see a ton of Bender and Chriss, most fans want to go see us win games, and if those guys play much, we won't. If we are look terrible to start the year, we won't sell many tickets.

The biggest problem of all of this is the Blanks era. It amplifies not making the playoffs, particularly for casual fans who don't pay much attention to specifics.

[SunsBlood23]

Does that guy even have a good reputation? Who is he?

[Mulhollanddrive]

There's now about 5-10 websites carrying the Phoenix-Millsap rumour, all stemming from a tweet.

Remember 30 minutes ago we were saving our money for Gordon Hayward next year.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Does that guy even have a good reputation? Who is he?

Used to be a Blazers reporter who moved to Cleveland to cover the Cavs due to his friendship with Rich Paul. If you can remember, during the Bledsoe FA fiasco, Chris Haynes wrote an article about Bledsoe which was clearly on Rich Paul's behalf saying the Suns relationship with Bledsoe was beyond repair on something like that, and Gambo made a whole deal out of it and wrote an attack piece on Paul and Haynes.

He has good sources, but when you read articles regarding Paul clients you have to be wary. Although if he has any info on the Suns, it's probably well sourced considering Bledsoe and Watson are both Rich Paul clients.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Millsap makes sense if the end goal is Hayward. I remember our leverage for signing Hayward before was that Hornacek was our coach and Hayward liked him in Utah. Now we have Watson, who was Hayward's teammate, although I'm unsure how much sway that will have. However, bring in Millsap, another teammate of both Watson and Hayward, and you might have something Hayward finds attractive, maybe even more attractive than Brad Stevens and the Celtics.

Chandler, Chriss
Millsap, Dudley, Bender
Hayward, Warren
Booker, Knight
Bledsoe, Ulis

Isn't a bad team by any means. We'd probably even have enough assets between Warren, Chandler, Knight and one of Chriss/Bender to make a run at Cousins.

[JMac1]

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Len shot 39% in March and 31% in April.

Not sure I want to pay him 20m+.

Lets see what he shoots this year. If you notice most of his points were from posting up.I wonder what it would like if he were getting spoon fed dunks and alley oops from Bledsoe all season. Chandler had a higher shooting percentage, but who is the better shooter?

Its called putting a player in a position of strength not weakness. Just turned 23.

I hope Chandler is gone before the beginning of the year.

[Mulhollanddrive]

There's always the possibilty of either Sarver or McDonough saying we have:

Len, Goodwin, Warren, Booker, Chriss, Bender, Ulis - 7 rookie contracts out of 12 players, 7 first rounders by 2021 (5 Suns, 2 Miami), can't use them all, trade some for vets.

[bwgood77]

Does that guy even have a good reputation? Who is he?

He's a Cleveland beat reporter with 37.5K followers, so people must want to hear what he has to say. Gambo and Coro both have less than 30K so who knows?

[bwgood77]

Does that guy even have a good reputation? Who is he?

Used to be a Blazers reporter who moved to Cleveland to cover the Cavs due to his friendship with Rich Paul. If you can remember, during the Bledsoe FA fiasco, Chris Haynes wrote an article about Bledsoe which was clearly on Rich Paul's behalf saying the Suns relationship with Bledsoe was beyond repair on something like that, and Gambo made a whole deal out of it and wrote an attack piece on Paul and Haynes.

He has good sources, but when you read articles regarding Paul clients you have to be wary. Although if he has any info on the Suns, it's probably well sourced considering Bledsoe and Watson are both Rich Paul clients.

So are you saying Millsap is a Rich Paul client?

[bwgood77]

Millsap makes sense if the end goal is Hayward. I remember our leverage for signing Hayward before was that Hornacek was our coach and Hayward liked him in Utah. Now we have Watson, who was Hayward's teammate, although I'm unsure how much sway that will have. However, bring in Millsap, another teammate of both Watson and Hayward, and you might have something Hayward finds attractive, maybe even more attractive than Brad Stevens and the Celtics.

Chandler, Chriss
Millsap, Dudley, Bender
Hayward, Warren
Booker, Knight
Bledsoe, Ulis

Isn't a bad team by any means. We'd probably even have enough assets between Warren, Chandler, Knight and one of Chriss/Bender to make a run at Cousins.

If we can pull that lineup off, forget Cousins. That lineup is good enough to go places and is set up for the future. Cousins just **** **** up.

[JMac1]

Millsap makes sense if the end goal is Hayward. I remember our leverage for signing Hayward before was that Hornacek was our coach and Hayward liked him in Utah. Now we have Watson, who was Hayward's teammate, although I'm unsure how much sway that will have. However, bring in Millsap, another teammate of both Watson and Hayward, and you might have something Hayward finds attractive, maybe even more attractive than Brad Stevens and the Celtics.

Chandler, Chriss
Millsap, Dudley, Bender
Hayward, Warren
Booker, Knight
Bledsoe, Ulis

Isn't a bad team by any means. We'd probably even have enough assets between Warren, Chandler, Knight and one of Chriss/Bender to make a run at Cousins.

Hayward isn't happening so it doesn't make sense. Plus that lineup doesn't fit our new model. That is why we signed Dudley. We are implementing a new style of Bball and all of the players have to be interchangeable to perfect it. Think NE Patriots.

[SunsFanSSOL]

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Len shot 39% in March and 31% in April.

Not sure I want to pay him 20m+.

Lets see what he shoots this year. If you notice most of his points were from posting up.I wonder what it would like if he were getting spoon fed dunks and alley oops from Bledsoe all season. Chandler had a higher shooting percentage, but who is the better shooter?

Its called putting a player in a position of strength not weakness. Just turned 23.

I hope Chandler is gone before the beginning of the year.

I think Chandler is a better offensive player, because Chandler is a much better finisher and roll man. Len might have more range, but he has done nothing to show he is proficient at shooting mid range jumpers. His touch around the rim is awful for a big man too and his hands are so bad I don't think he'd be able to even catch a lob if Bledsoe were to target him.

Making Len our highest paid player is the scariest prospect that's facing us in the near future in my opinion. I'd either extend him for around $12m, and if he says no, give him half the year next-season and re-asses. If he still hasn't show improvement, I'd move him ASAP. I much more excited about Chriss or Bender's potential to play spurts of the 5 than I am about Len developing into an NBA caliber starter.

[letsgosuns]

Paul Millsap has made the all-star team three years in a row. He was second team all-defense in 2016. He has been to the playoffs 8 times and is a winning basketball player. The Suns are in need of a player like that on the court and off the court. If the Suns trade for him, I expect them to seriously compete for a playoff seed. Look at what the starting lineup could be:

Bledsoe, Booker, Dudley, Millsap, Chandler

Bledsoe would have three guys to kick it out to on the perimeter that can drain threes. Millsap and Chandler could form an excellent defensive frontcourt. Then off the bench with Len, Warren, Tucker, the new draft picks, and whichever guards they have can form a deep bench. Two playoff teams, the Mavericks and Rockets have both lost out on their top free agent targets so far and lost some of their most important players. The West is not as good as it was a couple of years ago. Imo, the Suns would be in the mix for a playoff seed with that team.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Does that guy even have a good reputation? Who is he?

Used to be a Blazers reporter who moved to Cleveland to cover the Cavs due to his friendship with Rich Paul. If you can remember, during the Bledsoe FA fiasco, Chris Haynes wrote an article about Bledsoe which was clearly on Rich Paul's behalf saying the Suns relationship with Bledsoe was beyond repair on something like that, and Gambo made a whole deal out of it and wrote an attack piece on Paul and Haynes.

He has good sources, but when you read articles regarding Paul clients you have to be wary. Although if he has any info on the Suns, it's probably well sourced considering Bledsoe and Watson are both Rich Paul clients.

So are you saying Millsap is a Rich Paul client?

I'm saying his source is probably Watson.

[JMac1]

There's now about 5-10 websites carrying the Phoenix-Millsap rumour, all stemming from a tweet.

Remember 30 minutes ago we were saving our money for Gordon Hayward next year.

Gordon is unrestricted next year?

[SunsFanSSOL]

Utah just signed Joe Johnson for $11m/yr through 2018. They've also got Rodney Hood and Alec Burks on the rise, I wouldn't be surprised if Hayward did walk in 2017.

[SunsFanSSOL]

There's now about 5-10 websites carrying the Phoenix-Millsap rumour, all stemming from a tweet.

Remember 30 minutes ago we were saving our money for Gordon Hayward next year.

Gordon is unrestricted next year?

[WeekapaugGroove]

For the love of God they better not trade future picks for Millsap. Ridiculous

[Mulhollanddrive]

For the love of God they better not trade future picks for Millsap. Ridiculous

This board's reaction would almost be worth it.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Why would Hayward leave though?