The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Post #1941 » by **ATTL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:27 am

Getting miilsap will get us 10th seed and 13th pick again. He'll leave after one season. Is that us competing?

asudevil · Post #1942 » by **asudevil** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:30 am

wait wait.....i thought a day ago we were happy with the direction the suns were going and were happy with the rebuild.

Today we are talking about trading first round picks/Knight (who i thought that we thought was not a bad contract anymore), for a 31 year old expiring contract.

We signed Dudley today. Why? Because we needed a 1 1/2 year starter to fill in while the kids develop.
I'm also pretty sure that McD has said some very positive things about Knight over the past couple of days.

We drafted 1 RAW PF prospect, and went out of our way to draft another RAW PF/SF prospect. A team doesnt do that, sign a good veteran leader, and then do a 180 and trade the rest of our picks for a 1 year rental, 31 year old PF, who may or may not resign in a year. Millsap does not make us a playoff contender....and he will not help with that in 2 years when he's 33/34.

Kids, face it....we are going a different direction. The NBA goes in cycles.

When McD took over the NBA as a whole had the mindset that draft picks were valuable. We saw Boston/Philly hoarding them with the idea that they could be used to trade for a star. We jumped on that bandwagon. Where has it gone? I'm trying to figure out the last time a super star was traded for a ton of picks/question marks. Boston was thought to be in the best position to make any deal they wanted, and it kinda poo-pooed out. I dont think there are many GMs who will be willing to put their, already questioned, job on the line for picks....because there are a ton of GMs out their who cant draft worth a crap.

Now that the cap has exploded, its the cap space that is valuable. That, along with having something to sell a star player. GMs have less of a problem spending money on proven talent. We have the cap space, but nothing to sell. So, now the mentality is "ok....draft some promise, wait for it show.....and when it does, use that cap space to lure a star." We've got step one done, and this season is all about step 2, without destroying step 3.

We've struck out twice in a row, because we really didnt have a whole lot to sell. I hope that in 2 years we can look at this team and see more than 2 STUDS, and use that to sell a star or 2 on the fact that they'll be creating a big 3 or 4.

If you really think about it, we've witnessed a ton of "NBA fads" throughout the years.

High School kids were hot
Euros were hot
Stars to big markets were hot
building the next big 3 was hot
hoarding picks was hot
stretch 4's were/are hot
scoring PGs were/are hot

I think we've moved past the "hoard you picks" fad (because there are only a few GMs who can draft the like Spurs). So, once sought after assets arent quite as valuable as they once were. But if you have a GM like McD, who can draft like the Spurs....and who can retain a ton of cap space, we MIGHT once again see the Sun's being a talked about FA destination.

Then again...in 2 years this could all blow up in our faces. We'd ALL proclaim that we new that Bender was a bad pick, and trading for Chriss was a terrible idea. Followed by saying we should have maxed our Barnes when we had the chance.

letsgosuns · Post #1943 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:31 am

LukasBMW wrote:How would our spacing be with Milsap?

He looks like a post guy (and I LOVE that), but with him and Chandler in the font line, they are limited to 15 feet and in. And doesn't McD have a fetish for stretch 4's?

Millsap shot about three 3 pointers per game during the past three seasons at a 34% clip, so he has the ability to stretch the floor. That is not bad for a bruising type power forward that plays inside. His total averages per game for the past three seasons are 17 pts and 8.5 rbs. He has also made the all-star team each of those three seasons and was on the 2015-16 all-defensive second team. His resume speaks for itself. I personally would love to see what he could do next to players like Len, Chandler, Bender, and Chriss.

Flying Colors · Post #1944 » by **Flying Colors** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:31 am

ATTL wrote:Getting miilsap will get us 10th seed and 13th pick again. He'll leave after one season. Is that us competing?

Hey brother, I lick my lips with the thought of 13th picks.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1945 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:35 am

Draft 2 PFs for need, 10 days later your best player is a PF.

YouTube · Post #1946 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:41 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Draft 2 PFs for need, 10 days later PF is your best player.

Draft 2 very young very raw PFs for need, 10 days later they are learning from a 3X all-star PF, possibly for the next 3-4 years.

Djedefre · Post #1947 » by **Djedefre** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:42 am

ATTL wrote:Getting miilsap will get us 10th seed and 13th pick again. He'll leave after one season. Is that us competing?

And even if he doesn't leave? What on earth would be our benefit? 8th seed? Wow, just wow.
Hell no to this kind of deals.

letsgosuns · Post #1948 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:45 am

Brandon Knight may have a "bargain contract" now compared to the new contracts that were given out so far, but I still want him off the team. I want him off the team yesterday. That is how much I do not want to ever see Knight's pathetic presence on this team again. Outside of the fact that I cannot stand watching Knight play basketball, he is going to become Dragic/Thomas 2.0. You remember what Knight said the day the players cleaned out their lockers. He said over and over again he did not see his role changing. He also said he was not excited about Booker because young players that get that much playing time should perform the way Booker did. He is jealous and he will cause issues with the team.

We have seen this before and the Suns need to trade Knight before he starts complaining. He is not going to turn into some type of Jamal Crawford or Vinnie Johnson microwave scorer. He is not that kind of player. He cannot even go a full game without dribbling the ball off his foot multiple times. Do not forget who Knight is. By the time the season was almost over before he was shut down, so many fans on here talked about how disappointing he was and the trade for him was horrible. He is that same guy. I hope the Suns trade him for the best offer they can get.

Post #1949 » by **ATTL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:46 am

It would be a suns move to push for the playoffs (and get a 14th pick) the year of a strong draft.

Please MCD, if you want Millsap sign him next summer after we draft get our next cornerstone.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1950 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 8:55 am

Anyone want to play Guess The Salary?

Career Averages:
Player 1 - 10 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 43% FG, 30% 3PT, 97 Offensive Rating, 105 Defensive Rating
Player 2 - 6 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 40% FG, 32% 3PT
Player 3 - 6 points, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals
Player 4 - 16 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 42% FG, 103 Offensive Rating, 106 Defensive Rating

Spoiler:

Player 5 - 13 points, 5 assists, 2 rebounds, 44% FG
Player 6 - 14 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 70% FT
Player 7 - 18 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 44% FG, 28% 3PT
Player 8 - 11 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists

Spoiler:

thamadkant · Post #1951 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:10 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Anyone want to play Guess The Salary?

Career Averages:
Player 1 - 10 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 43% FG, 30% 3PT, 97 Offensive Rating, 105 Defensive Rating
Player 2 - 6 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 40% FG, 32% 3PT
Player 3 - 6 points, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals
Player 4 - 16 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 42% FG, 103 Offensive Rating, 106 Defensive Rating
Player 5 - 13 points, 5 assists, 2 rebounds, 44% FG
Player 6 - 14 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 70% FT
Player 7 - 18 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 44% FG, 28% 3PT
Player 8 - 11 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists

Spoiler:
Player 1 -Turner $17m

Spoiler:
Player 2 - Hill $12m

Spoiler:
Player 3 - Mozgov $16m

Spoiler:
Player 4 - Beal $25m

Spoiler:
Player 5 - Conley $30m

Spoiler:
Player 6 - Parsons $18m

Spoiler:
Player 7 - Derozan $29m

Spoiler:
Player 8 - Fournier $15m

Yup.

And JJ Reddick on Twitter criticizing fans who are criticizing the contracts...

I'm fine with All-Stars getting 30 million a year... especially popular stars who sell the game to the masses... non of the players signed so far are marketing magnets.... just GMs stupidly spending money.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1952 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:13 am

Player 1 - 10 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 43% FG, 30% 3PT, 97 Offensive Rating, 105 Defensive Rating
Player 2 - 6 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 40% FG, 32% 3PT
Player 3 - 6 points, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals
Player 4 - 16 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 42% FG, 103 Offensive Rating, 106 Defensive Rating
Player 5 - 13 points, 5 assists, 2 rebounds, 44% FG
Player 6 - 14 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 70% FT
Player 7 - 18 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 44% FG, 28% 3PT
Player 8 - 11 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists

These guys average $20m.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1953 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:17 am

Player X - 21 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, 46% 2PT, 37% 3 PT, 87% FT, 113 Offensive Rating.

Spoiler:

NBA Fiend · Post #1954 » by **NBA Fiend** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:25 am

Classic Hawks homer

http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/416112-millsap-is-on-the-block/?do=findComment&comment=835031

Would Milsap/Korver/first be enough to get Booker, their front office isn't the smartest. :noway:

. But if the Suns won't go for that they would be willing to take Bender and Tucker. Some are demanding Chriss. Someone should go over there and defend our honor as I need to rest now. :evil:

NBA Fiend · Post #1955 » by **NBA Fiend** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:37 am

It just keeps getting worse. One of Bender/Booker and Bledsoe to go along with Warren and a pick. There are also willing to accept a top three protected pick from Dallas. :lol:

This is some of the craziest stuff that I have ever seen and these people are being serious.
Over-the-top just reminds me that the world is full of complete morons who truly lack any basic form of logic whatsoever.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1956 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:41 am

No worse bias than any other fan base.

This time last year here, Archie Goodwin was the dealbreaker to get Paul George.

Post #1957 » by **ATTL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:41 am

I will vomit if we trade picks for Millsap and a push for 19th seed and another year if mediocrity abs no pick to improve with.

Most hawks fans realize booker is untouchable and are just rosterbating.

blacksun · Post #1958 » by **blacksun** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:42 am

Id trade Knight, Tucker and MIA 2018 first for Millsap. Nothing more. Looking at the Hawks' perspective, they essentially swapped out Millsap for Howard and got Knight, Tuck and a first round pick as extras, assuming of course Horford resigns. Thats a great haul for them IMO. Might even be too good.

Post #1959 » by **ATTL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:45 am

Ffs end the off season, I'm done with this already. Start summer league so I can hype our picks.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1960 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 9:45 am

Trading that for 1 year of Millsap makes no sense as the max benefit would be 6 months, and the max disadvantage with traded assets would be 10-15 years.

Trading that for 5 years of Millsap makes no sense either as he's either a $23m bench player or Chriss and Bender are on the bench for 5 years.

The only way I could see it work, is if we trade our under 23s and picks for a top 10 player and we go all in.

Which free agent(s) would you most like to go for? One or top two choices