The AL Horford Dilemma

Post #121 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 6:34 am

Hawk Eye wrote:We might be thinking about dumping Millsap...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/749082635226329088[/tweet]

Kings could send you their three 1st round picks from this year Papagiannis, Malachi Richardson, and Skal Labissiere?!?!? You want Bogdan Bodganovic as well?

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Post #122 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 7:23 am

City of Trees wrote:
Hawk Eye wrote:We might be thinking about dumping Millsap...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/749082635226329088[/tweet]

Kings could send you their three 1st round picks from this year Papagiannis, Malachi Richardson, and Skal Labissiere?!?!? You want Bogdan Bodganovic as well?

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Post #123 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 7:24 am

HMFFL wrote:What about a S&T with Golden State?
If Kevin Durant passes on Golden State (suppose to decide before July 4th).
That leaves Horford being an option if he decides to wait for Durant's decision. I believe Horford is a perfect piece for Golden State.

I think Golden State has the cap space to sign Al outright. If not then I'd happily take Andre Igoudala off their hands.

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PandaKidd · Post #124 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:32 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
HMFFL wrote:What about a S&T with Golden State?
If Kevin Durant passes on Golden State (suppose to decide before July 4th).
That leaves Horford being an option if he decides to wait for Durant's decision. I believe Horford is a perfect piece for Golden State.

I think Golden State has the cap space to sign Al outright. If not then I'd happily take Andre Igoudala off their hands.

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GSW would need to shed some contracts I believe to take on Al or Durant.

I'd totally make a play for Iggy

Post #125 » by **Froob** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:38 pm

Are you guys hoping to bring him back still? You can't possibly play the 3 of them can you? You guys watch him much more than me but, I don't think Horford is a 4 in today's NBA. Think it'd be a big mistake to choose Horford over Milsap. Curious to hear your take not here to start trouble or anything.

atlantabbq99 · Post #126 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:51 pm

^ All reports show that Atlanta has ever intention to give Horford max and resigning him. Horford should be fine as a new age power forward. Horford would like a Detroit Rasheed Wallace. Horford shot .350 from three last year and would attempt 3.5 threes a game.

Horford's 3pt shooting isn't great, but good enough that he should be attempting them. Watching alot of Horford last year, he didn't make any game winning 3s, but i was impressed with his 3pt shooting in the 4th quarter. It would seem like he would start off cold but then warm up in the 4th if he ever took a three.

PandaKidd · Post #127 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:15 pm

Froob wrote:Are you guys hoping to bring him back still? You can't possibly play the 3 of them can you? You guys watch him much more than me but, I don't think Horford is a 4 in today's NBA. Think it'd be a big mistake to choose Horford over Milsap. Curious to hear your take not here to start trouble or anything.

I think they'll take him back on a discount now. Clearly they didn't offer him 5 years , if they did, he hesitated and they signed Dwight.

Now the Hawks have leverage. Al can go somewhere else or come back and accept a fair deal (no way he makes more the d12 now right?)

I believe if Al comes back they move Millsap. Having said that it's weird, Al has always played center, he's an all star center. Moving him to the 4 at this stage of his career would be interesting.

I'd rather keep Millsap personally but he may be leaving next year anyway.

I don't think the Hawks believe in paying 80 million to baze Horford Millsap d12 , I just can't. They have to really cut salary to sign Horford too.

Post #128 » by **dms269** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:21 pm

I'm gonna put this here:
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/hawks-made-very-significant-offer-to-horford-still/nrrNH/

Basically the Hawks gave Al a huge offer on day 1, Al dragged his feet, Atlanta went another direction.

We have had conflicting reports about the 5th year. This makes it seem we offered it.

I have a feeling it went down something like this:
We offered Al a 5 year max.
Al said he wanted to see us improve the team first/see all his options.
We went out and did that.
Al still dragged his feet.
We used up cap space.

Post #129 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:17 pm

^
Thanks for posting the article.

I believe it went down just like that.
Horford possibly wanted to see what was up with OKC as well.

Post #130 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 6:14 pm

Zach Klein (local guy) reporting that we have upped our offer to Al, offering the 5th year, but it isn't a max.

Note: my respect for Coach Bud as head decision maker has grown immensely in this offseason, so far. I feel like he's made all the right moves so far.

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Post #131 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:19 pm

Woj got my hopes up throughout the day, even saying that Washington and Boston were rapidly losing hope at signing Al.

Now he drops a WojBomb that Al's signing a 4 year max deal with Boston .

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Skyhawk1 · Post #132 » by **Skyhawk1** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:25 pm

Millsap will pair just fine with Howard. Horford is a very good player, just not worth the max and underachieved in the post season. Thanks for all Al. Wish you the best in Boston.

Post #133 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:27 pm

Hawks and Horford were $6 mil total apart in negotiations.

What am I missing here? Why couldn't we offer him the $1.2 mil extra annually? Could it be that we had a Millsap trade ready and that the $1.2 mil was the difference?

It would've been so nice to have Al at PF, a true center, and a team that was going to be good now and in the future with the assets we were sure to get from the Millsap trade.

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PandaKidd · Post #134 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:40 pm

Great for AL

Post #135 » by **dms269** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:44 pm

It will be interesting to see if we find out how much we were offering.

From the reports it seemed we gave AL a ton of chances and ultimately it was his decision.

Post #136 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:45 pm

dms269 wrote:It will be interesting to see if we find out how much we were offering.

From the reports it seemed we gave AL a ton of chances and ultimately it was his decision.

5 years/$136 million. He reportedly wanted $142 million.

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Post #137 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:51 pm

I concur, ATL.
Bud had done a fantastic job this off-season.
I'll miss Al Horford but the money was there, maybe not the additional six million, but it possibly would have worked out had he wanted it to.
I wish him only the best.

xccelerate · Post #138 » by **xccelerate** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:52 pm

Not a fan of what he tweeted out. No love lost here. And I'm pretty sure they're about to get Durant b/c he tweeted this after their meeting. Even less love lost.

FCNATL85 · Post #139 » by **FCNATL85** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:54 pm

Basically we let go AL and JT for a #12...used with Prince. Disappointing!

Post #140 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:57 pm

It's just frustrating that we seemingly pinched pennies ($1.2 mil per year under the new cap is pennies) in this scenario. I wonder if Bud would offer him the extra $6 mil if he could go back in time to the start of the day.

Now we shift our attention to Millsap. He won't get traded, and is a consummate pro, so I doubt the talks will really affect any team chemistry. But next year you're talking about a $36.5 million deal for him annually. Yuck.

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What to do with AL?