Portland - 2016 Offseason

[Andre 2999]

Yes, please! Sign Gasol, then S&T Crabbe and Plumlee for Noel, and I'm happy with this offseason.

[whatchaknow]

Philly holding back on an offer sheet doesn't mean that they don't want to pay Crabbe...
If Philly really wants Crabbe, they might be trying to work out a sign and trade with the Blazers - or a side deal which includes an agreement that Portland won't match on an offer sheet.

Don't know what could interest Portland that philly has besides one of their bigs but I highly doubt they are willing to trade one of them for crabbe.. Then again they are the sixers

[Jsun947]

Leuer just got 4/42 from Detroit. Sorry, jsun,

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A lot more than I would have liked to pay him though.

In retrospect I woulda done it anyway. I have too big of a man crush on him. I figured he'd get somewhere starting at 6-8 mil for 4 years. 9.8 starting is a little much = /

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[Wizenheimer]

I really didn't realize just how good Gasol's numbers were last year. 16.5pts/11rebs and 4 assists. His game is aging really well. Shocked to hear from all reports that the Blazers are basically still neck and neck with him against the Spurs.

It's a really strange roster if Portland does get him and keeps their RFAs. I'm assuming Harkless is gone but Crabbe (matched) and Meyers (takes QO) stay.

I don't follow how Harkless would be gone but Meyers stays if the Blazers get Pau

Gasol-Plumlee-Meyers-Davis....that's 4 players who aren't comfortable or accomplished at defending anybody outside the paint (and 1 who can rarely defend inside the paint). That is the exact opposite of the way the NBA is evolving

[Butter]

I really didn't realize just how good Gasol's numbers were last year. 16.5pts/11rebs and 4 assists. His game is aging really well. Shocked to hear from all reports that the Blazers are basically still neck and neck with him against the Spurs.

It's a really strange roster if Portland does get him and keeps their RFAs. I'm assuming Harkless is gone but Crabbe (matched) and Meyers (takes QO) stay.

I don't follow how Harkless would be gone but Meyers stays if the Blazers get Pau

Gasol-Plumlee-Meyers-Davis....that's 4 players who aren't comfortable or accomplished at defending anybody outside the paint (and 1 who can rarely defend inside the paint). That is the exact opposite of the way the NBA is evolving

Wiz, in your opinion, how would Noel fit in that defensive role?

[DusterBuster]

I really didn't realize just how good Gasol's numbers were last year. 16.5pts/11rebs and 4 assists. His game is aging really well. Shocked to hear from all reports that the Blazers are basically still neck and neck with him against the Spurs.

It's a really strange roster if Portland does get him and keeps their RFAs. I'm assuming Harkless is gone but Crabbe (matched) and Meyers (takes QO) stay.

I don't follow how Harkless would be gone but Meyers stays if the Blazers get Pau

It's just a guess.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

guaranteed salary:

Damian Lillard $24,381,225
Evan Turner $16,400,000
Al-Farouq Aminu $7,680,965
Ed Davis $6,666,667
C.J. McCollum $3,219,579
Noah Vonleh $2,751,360
Mason Plumlee $2,328,530
Anderson Varejao (stretched) $1,984,005
Cliff Alexander $874,636
Pat Connaughton $874,636
3 Roster Charges $1,630,413

68.79 million
...
Gerald Henderson $9,000,000
Meyers Leonard $7,689,700
Mo Harkless $7,235,148
Allen Crabbe $2,725,003
...
* if Blazers renounce all but Crabbe, they have about 22.3 million in space
* If Blazers renounce all but Harkless they have about 17.9 million in space
* If Blazers renounce all but Meyers they have about 17.5 million in space
* If Blazers keep Harkless & Crabbe they have about 15.2 million in space
* If Blazers keep Harkless & Meyers they have about 10.3 million in space
* If Blazers keep Meyers & Crabbe they have about 14.8 million in space

Thanks for this Wiz, I have to admit I was waiting for someone to do this

I think there's a good chance Portland doesn't renounce any of them, which puts us at ~7.5 million left to spend... Maybe that gets us Aldrich? I am still wondering what Biyombo is going to end up getting though.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Philly holding back on an offer sheet doesn't mean that they don't want to pay Crabbe...
If Philly really wants Crabbe, they might be trying to work out a sign and trade with the Blazers - or a side deal which includes an agreement that Portland won't match on an offer sheet.

Don't know what could interest Portland that philly has besides one of their bigs but I highly doubt they are willing to trade one of them for crabbe.. Then again they are the sixers

Some of the S&T suggestions in this thread are crazy. S&T players just do not bring back much. WCS and McLemore? Okafor/Noel? We are probably lucky if we can get a TPE from a S&T.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I really didn't realize just how good Gasol's numbers were last year. 16.5pts/11rebs and 4 assists. His game is aging really well. Shocked to hear from all reports that the Blazers are basically still neck and neck with him against the Spurs.

It's a really strange roster if Portland does get him and keeps their RFAs. I'm assuming Harkless is gone but Crabbe (matched) and Meyers (takes QO) stay.

I don't follow how Harkless would be gone but Meyers stays if the Blazers get Pau

Gasol-Plumlee-Meyers-Davis....that's 4 players who aren't comfortable or accomplished at defending anybody outside the paint (and 1 who can rarely defend inside the paint). That is the exact opposite of the way the NBA is evolving

Yeah, I don't get the Gasol connection. That's the player to target when you are competing for a title, such as the Spurs. I really don't see what we can offer next to SA except maybe a little more money by renouncing young players, which seems like one step forward today and two steps backward tomorrow.

[Wizenheimer]

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I really didn't realize just how good Gasol's numbers were last year. 16.5pts/11rebs and 4 assists. His game is aging really well. Shocked to hear from all reports that the Blazers are basically still neck and neck with him against the Spurs.

It's a really strange roster if Portland does get him and keeps their RFAs. I'm assuming Harkless is gone but Crabbe (matched) and Meyers (takes QO) stay.

I don't follow how Harkless would be gone but Meyers stays if the Blazers get Pau

Gasol-Plumlee-Meyers-Davis....that's 4 players who aren't comfortable or accomplished at defending anybody outside the paint (and 1 who can rarely defend inside the paint). That is the exact opposite of the way the NBA is evolving

Wiz, in your opinion, how would Noel fit in that defensive role?

I think he'd fit very well but I do think it's a unrealistic to think the Blazers could trade for Noel with Crabbe as the centerpiece.

[Wizenheimer]

I really didn't realize just how good Gasol's numbers were last year. 16.5pts/11rebs and 4 assists. His game is aging really well. Shocked to hear from all reports that the Blazers are basically still neck and neck with him against the Spurs.

It's a really strange roster if Portland does get him and keeps their RFAs. I'm assuming Harkless is gone but Crabbe (matched) and Meyers (takes QO) stay.

I don't follow how Harkless would be gone but Meyers stays if the Blazers get Pau

Gasol-Plumlee-Meyers-Davis....that's 4 players who aren't comfortable or accomplished at defending anybody outside the paint (and 1 who can rarely defend inside the paint). That is the exact opposite of the way the NBA is evolving

Yeah, I don't get the Gasol connection. That's the player to target when you are competing for a title, such as the Spurs. I really don't see what we can offer next to SA except maybe a little more money by renouncing young players, which seems like one step forward today and two steps backward tomorrow.

I don't agree with that, sorry. Mainly because I don't think Portland's short or long term trajectory would change at all if Crabbe and Meyers weren't around. Harkless might be another matter. On the other hand, Gasol could change the short term outlook quite a bit. It also might allow the Blazers to trade Plumlee before he gets extremely expensive

but I would be surprised if the Blazers were able to beat the Spurs in this auction

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Yeah, I don't get the Gasol connection. That's the player to target when you are competing for a title, such as the Spurs. I really don't see what we can offer next to SA except maybe a little more money by renouncing young players, which seems like one step forward today and two steps backward tomorrow.

I don't agree with that, sorry. Mainly because I don't think Portland's short or long term trajectory would change at all if Crabbe and Meyers weren't around. Harkless might be another matter. On the other hand, Gasol could change the short term outlook quite a bit. It also might allow the Blazers to trade Plumlee before he gets extremely expensive

but I would be surprised if the Blazers were able to beat the Spurs in this auction

I wouldn't put much stock in Gasol changing our short-term outlook. I don't think he's going to make a difference between first or second round, maybe he adds a few regular season wins, but he's gone in a few years anyways. On the other hand, locking up young players gives us assets to work with. Unless its an outrageous overpay, having a couple contracts like that makes it easier to facilitate a trade - if and when a big name becomes available on the trade market. Package up McCollum/Vonleh/picks with a young player or two to match salary and at least it gets us a spot at the bidding table without losing all our depth.

[PDXKnight]

Philly holding back on an offer sheet doesn't mean that they don't want to pay Crabbe...
If Philly really wants Crabbe, they might be trying to work out a sign and trade with the Blazers - or a side deal which includes an agreement that Portland won't match on an offer sheet.

S&T Crabbe, Vonleh for Noel. I'll even give up the Cleveland pick. Do it. Do it now.

But would Philly do that?

[Blazinaway]

Biyombo signed with Orl, no details yet

[Downtown]

Biyombo signed with Orl, no details yet

Time to convince the Magic that Crabbe is what they need(or Leonard) and work a sign and trade for Nikola Vucevic.

[Masterfully]

Philly holding back on an offer sheet doesn't mean that they don't want to pay Crabbe...
If Philly really wants Crabbe, they might be trying to work out a sign and trade with the Blazers - or a side deal which includes an agreement that Portland won't match on an offer sheet.

S&T Crabbe, Vonleh for Noel. I'll even give up the Cleveland pick. Do it. Do it now.

But would Philly do that?

Because they are rumored to want Crabbe. Crabbe is a RESTRICTED free agent, meaning Portland can decide where Crabbe plays next year.

Portland lets Crabbe (and parts) go for something in return.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Biyombo signed with Orl, no details yet

Orlando making some big moves recently.

[Andre 2999]

S&T Crabbe, Vonleh for Noel. I'll even give up the Cleveland pick. Do it. Do it now.

But would Philly do that?

Because they are rumored to want Crabbe. Crabbe is a RESTRICTED free agent, meaning Portland can decide where Crabbe plays next year.

Portland lets Crabbe (and parts) go for something in return.

Yeah, but normally restricted free agents don't fetch too much of a return. The fact that they're free agents and the interested team could just sign them outright lowers their value.

[Wizenheimer]

Yeah, I don't get the Gasol connection. That's the player to target when you are competing for a title, such as the Spurs. I really don't see what we can offer next to SA except maybe a little more money by renouncing young players, which seems like one step forward today and two steps backward tomorrow.

I don't agree with that, sorry. Mainly because I don't think Portland's short or long term trajectory would change at all if Crabbe and Meyers weren't around. Harkless might be another matter. On the other hand, Gasol could change the short term outlook quite a bit. It also might allow the Blazers to trade Plumlee before he gets extremely expensive

but I would be surprised if the Blazers were able to beat the Spurs in this auction

I wouldn't put much stock in Gasol changing our short-term outlook. I don't think he's going to make a difference between first or second round, maybe he adds a few regular season wins, but he's gone in a few years anyways. On the other hand, locking up young players gives us assets to work with. Unless its an outrageous overpay, having a couple contracts like that makes it easier to facilitate a trade - if and when a big name becomes available on the trade market. Package up McCollum/Vonleh/picks with a young player or two to match salary and at least it gets us a spot at the bidding table without losing all our depth.

from Olshey's POV I think he wants Gasol because of the short term deal he'd be. I think Olshey has every intention of re-signing CJ and he knows that a short-term fix at C makes a lot of sense with the trio of Dame-CJ-Turner probably on schedule to make 70 million a year combined by July 2017...and Plumlee scheduled for hi extension when the cap is 110 million

as far as trajectory, I think Gasol on last year's Blazer team would have upgraded the team significantly, and I like Plumlee. Gasol is as good an assist man as Plumlee; he's a better rebounder, a better defender and a better rim protector. Further, he's actually a threat on offense opponents would have to respect

I also think you're making a significant leap of faith that 'young' players signed to contracts this summer will somehow have positive trade value next year or the year after. First of all, they have to perform and they need to have widely applicable skills. Meyers only has one skill, perimeter shooting, and it's inconsistent. Being tall and sloth-like slow isn't a skill; and being a sieve on defense isn't one either

Crabbe may have a skill that would give him some positive value, but that assumption depends on the type of contract he's on. If he ends up being paid 15-18 million/year, there's no positive value there that I can see

it might be worth keeping in mind justhow to justify paying Crabbe a lot of money. Lillard is going to make 28 million/year. Turner 17.5 million a year. In less then a year CJ is very likely to be on a contract paying him 25 million/year, or more

that's over 70 million a year, then add Crabbe to the mix and it could easily be 85 million a year for those 4 players...ouch. There are a whole lot of flaws in the foursome to be paying 85 million a year for

[Downtown]

I don't care if it's through free agency or a trade using out restricted free agents if we can get a really solid centre.