2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

deneem4 · Post #1381 » by **deneem4** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:00 am

Mahinmi is a great signing...16 mil isn't bad
Gortat for Monroe and MCW and il be estatic...

Post #1382 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:00 am

I think it's time to stop rooting for the Wiz and just laugh at them - like the rest of the NBA. If I'm Gortat, I've already put in my trade request. It's not so much that they over-paid Mahinmi (who was a joke as a player until last season - at 29 years old). It's you simply cannot play him and Gortat together - unless you're a moron. You're really going to force Gortat to be a jump shooter - after he was maybe the best pick n roll finisher in the NBA? Cuz you can't play Mahinmi outside - why would ANYBODY guard him? Gortat is totally f'd by this acquisition. And I'm guessing they have zero intention of trading Gortat. They'll have to prove me wrong on this - and I'm pretty sure they won't. If the media here has ANY guts whatsoever, they are going to Gortat to ask what he thinks of this signing. John Wall isn't stupid Ask him what he thinks of today's action from his front office?

80sballboy · Post #1383 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:00 am

nuposse04 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:Ian actually can be a solid starting center for about 3 years... fine...especially since 16 mil is about the market rate for a starting center.... but why do we need two? Money needed to go to a 4... How much would Nicholson or T.Jones cost now? :/

Solid defensively. Decent rebounder Not really a rim protector but he did start all 71 games last year that he played. That's the going rate for a starting center, which is strange because I thought we had one

Agreed, in a vacuum the going rate for an above average center should be about this... but Gortat is BETTER... there was no reason to acquire him.. Unless they trade gortat... which I fear since they'll attach Porter/Oubre to em... it makes no sense at all. We needed a 4... not a 5...and a 30 year old one at that...

We needed a 5 that could protect the rim or a 4/5. But a backup center. I'm ok with Morris as long as there's another quality backup 4 man. Maybe Marcin is trying to become a stretch 4 like Hump did, working on his three-point shot.

Post #1384 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:03 am

Induveca wrote:Celtics equivalent of J. Michael tweeted a #35 Celtics jersey then deleted it. Durant seems to be a Celtic people.

Double **** by Ainge!

This is all about front office competence... from top to bottom.

80sballboy · Post #1385 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:06 am

Ruzious wrote:
Induveca wrote:Celtics equivalent of J. Michael tweeted a #35 Celtics jersey then deleted it. Durant seems to be a Celtic people.

Double **** by Ainge!

This is all about front office competence... from top to bottom.

Agreed though Boston is also lucky that Horford's wife is from there and went to school there.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #1386 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:07 am

Just got back and jumped on here...

This is not what I was hoping to see.

:nonono:

Post #1387 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:08 am

AFM wrote:What the phukk is happening

Your dog with consulting help from Mr. Pickles is running the Wizards.

Upper Decker · Post #1388 » by **Upper Decker** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:08 am

Ruzious wrote:I think it's time to stop rooting for the Wiz and just laugh at them - like the rest of the NBA. If I'm Gortat, I've already put in my trade request. It's not so much that they over-paid Mahinmi (who was a joke as a player until last season - at 29 years old). It's you simply cannot play him and Gortat together - unless you're a moron. You're really going to force Gortat to be a jump shooter - after he was maybe the best pick n roll finisher in the NBA? Cuz you can't play Mahinmi outside - why would ANYBODY guard him? Gortat is totally f'd by this acquisition. And I'm guessing they have zero intention of trading Gortat. They'll have to prove me wrong on this - and I'm pretty sure they won't. If the media here has ANY guts whatsoever, they are going to Gortat to ask what he thinks of this signing. John Wall isn't stupid Ask him what he thinks of today's action from his front office?

Ask john wall? He'll probably blame the fans for this as well.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #1389 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:31 am

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA
Horford had been incredibly intrigued with Wizards and there was a time that he preferred Washington's talent over Boston's. Wild finish.

closg00 · Post #1390 » by **closg00** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:33 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA
Horford had been incredibly intrigued with Wizards and there was a time that he preferred Washington's talent over Boston's. Wild finish.

Yeah, probably when we had Pierce.

payitforward · Post #1391 » by **payitforward** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:34 am

FAH1223 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Broom_Kevin/status/749388637893255168[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Broom_Kevin/status/749389202681454592[/tweet]

Have we lost Kev? Hope not....

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1392 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:34 am

Disappointing. Mahinmi is a nice player, but we already have a better C signed for cheaper. To get the most out of our roster, we're going to have to deal Gortat for something good.

Who needs a center?

80sballboy · Post #1393 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:38 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Todd_Dybas/status/749406096750735360[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Todd_Dybas/status/749402399668928512[/tweet]

closg00 · Post #1394 » by **closg00** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:39 am

This is the prophecy, it has been written:

Post#486 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:15 pm

I'm an opinionated Milwaukee fan from a few of the other threads.

I enjoy weighing in on these Grunfeld threads every six-months or so because the guy was toxic for our franchise when he was with us.

Both Milwaukee and Washington have (had) one thing in common. A beloved yet completely incompetent and meddling owner. In our case it is Herb Kohl. In your case Abe. Both guys like the idea of "winning now" rather than spending years in the high lotto. Both guys are(were) up in age. Kohl is 76 and I think Abe died at 87 (?)

While it would be easy to blame all of Ernie Grunfeld's bad moves on meddling owners, I think that allows him off the hook. The bottom line is that the guy has been a GM from August 1999 (Bucks) through the current day (Wizards). In those 12.5 years, the guy has really made zero signature moves where you go "Wow, that was a great GM....that move(s) turned our franchise around"

In the draft world, he absolutely sucks. He doesn't find you Westbrooks, Serge Ibaka's or Wesley Matthews. Instead he finds you Marcus Haislips and Nick Young's at best.

In the contract world, he overpays everyone for fear of "losing an asset". Whether it was giving Tim Thomas $68 million to stay in Milwaukee, $20 million along with Scott Williams and a future #1 (Josh Smith) for Anthony Mason or your situations with the Arenas, etc bad contracts or trading the #5 pick away twice.

What Grunfeld excels at are two things:

a) He knows how to suck up to his owner. You guys can read into the Kohl/Polin/Grunfeld situation on a number of levels. The bottom line is that he's obviously a good insider politician, otherwise he doesn't last nearly as long as he has.

b) Grunfeld is more than adept at working the phones and getting deals done involving overpaid veterans. He engages in a bunch of "activity" involving veterans that you assume he might know what he's doing. Sometimes he blows enough future assets to put together a 43-win team. But in the end, you mistake that "activity" for being a good GM.

Just my two cents. You guys won't get significantly better until you clean house and get a new front o

payitforward · Post #1395 » by **payitforward** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:46 am

Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:Disappointing, but not unexpected. I think he made the wrong choice based solely on basketball reasons, but Boston offered a lot of compelling non-basketball reasons for him to sign there that we couldn't beat.

Yeah, it came down to who had the better organization - Boston by a landslide - plain and simple. Got to tip the fedora to Boston.

You two are disagreeing. Steve is saying he chose Boston for non-basketball reasons; based only on basketball, he's saying Horford would have been better off choosing the Wizards.

Ruzious is saying Boston has the better organization -- that's a basketball organization. And that's what it came down to.

Ruzious is right; they do have a better organization. One way their better organization shows is that they have a better roster than we do. A much much better roster. Also younger. And also cheaper. With more development in its players' future.

Oh, and they are a much better team than the Wizards. In Ernie Grunfeld's entire 13 year tenure, the Wizards have never won 48 games.

mhd · Post #1396 » by **mhd** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 1:50 am

Think of it this way: The skins signed Josh Norman when the entire league was looking at him. I'd take Snyder ANY DAY over clueless Ted. If we didn't have the luck of the ping pong balls, we'd be stuck with no Wall, etc. EG has never made a move that wasn't a no brainer.

Post #1397 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 2:01 am

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:Disappointing, but not unexpected. I think he made the wrong choice based solely on basketball reasons, but Boston offered a lot of compelling non-basketball reasons for him to sign there that we couldn't beat.

Yeah, it came down to who had the better organization - Boston by a landslide - plain and simple. Got to tip the fedora to Boston.

You two are disagreeing. Steve is saying he chose Boston for non-basketball reasons; based only on basketball, he's saying Horford would have been better off choosing the Wizards.

Ruzious is saying Boston has the better organization -- that's a basketball organization. And that's what it came down to.

Ruzious is right; they do have a better organization. One way their better organization shows is that they have a better roster than we do. A much much better roster. Also younger. And also cheaper. With more development in its players' future.

Oh, and they are a much better team than the Wizards. In Ernie Grunfeld's entire 13 year tenure, the Wizards have never won 48 games.

No, we both agreed that Horford was a better fit for personnel reasons with the Wizards; not with the Celtics. Horford will have to play primarily center for the Celtics, while he would have been able to switch to his better position - PF - with the Wiz - and likely extended his career. But he chose the Celtics because they have a better organization.

keynote · Post #1398 » by **keynote** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 2:01 am

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:Disappointing, but not unexpected. I think he made the wrong choice based solely on basketball reasons, but Boston offered a lot of compelling non-basketball reasons for him to sign there that we couldn't beat.

Yeah, it came down to who had the better organization - Boston by a landslide - plain and simple. Got to tip the fedora to Boston.

You two are disagreeing. Steve is saying he chose Boston for non-basketball reasons; based only on basketball, he's saying Horford would have been better off choosing the Wizards.

Ruzious is saying Boston has the better organization -- that's a basketball organization. And that's what it came down to.

Ruzious is right; they do have a better organization. One way their better organization shows is that they have a better roster than we do. A much much better roster. Also younger. And also cheaper. With more development in its players' future.

I agree that Boston has a better organization. I'm hoping Brooks can close that gap, but we'll always be operating at a disadvantage as long as Egg is running the show. But I don't think we can automatically assume that Horford chose BOS solely due to their superior basketball organization. As Induveca and others have documented, Horford was the unique FA where Boston the city may have been a more attractive place to live than DC, due to its sizable Dominican community. I don't know how much of a factor it played in his decision, but I don't think we can ignore it, just to further reinforce our negative impression of the Wizards' FO.

payitforward · Post #1399 » by **payitforward** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 2:07 am

80sballboy wrote:Ok move for Mahimini, though I would rather have taken a shot on Dedmon for less money. Now you have two starting centers. At least our D will be improved.

Cole Aldrich would have been a much better signing than Mahinmi, and he's still there -- meaning our reigning idiot didn't have him on his radar.

Biyombo is obviously preferable to Mahinmi, and he went to Orlando for just a little bit more.

Jon Leuer would have made more sense, and went to Detroit for less than Mahinmi.

Teletovic would have been preferable -- for a lot less!

My guy Quincy Acy is still out there -- we still have time to miss on him the way we did on Aldrich, Leuer, Biyombo, Teletovic and the rest of the guys I'm not going to bother listing.

Post #1400 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 2:22 am

payitforward wrote:
80sballboy wrote:Ok move for Mahimini, though I would rather have taken a shot on Dedmon for less money. Now you have two starting centers. At least our D will be improved.

Cole Aldrich would have been a much better signing than Mahinmi, and he's still there -- meaning our reigning idiot didn't have him on his radar.

Biyombo is obviously preferable to Mahinmi, and he went to Orlando for just a little bit more.

Jon Leuer would have made more sense, and went to Detroit for less than Mahinmi.

Teletovic would have been preferable -- for a lot less!

My guy Quincy Acy is still out there -- we still have time to miss on him the way we did on Aldrich, Leuer, Biyombo, Teletovic and the rest of the guys I'm not going to bother listing.

But with the exception of Biyombo, these are all mediocre players. Aldrich is no more than a solid backup. Leuer and Teletovic are great shooters, but they're 1-trick ponies. And Acy's a hard-working but very limited player. Teletovic is valuable because he's Anderson except much cheaper, but he's awful defensively and on the boards. None of these guys are all-around players.