2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[keynote]

Love the Nicholson signing. Contract seems fair. Don't know how they can get that but vomit all over themselves with the Ian one. Finish off with Tomas and a SF

I'd rather finish off with Tomas and a Seth Curry type (off-ball PG/undersized SG) than yet another SF. Of course, I'd feel better about that if we can retain Temple as an emergency guy, but he might be on his way out of town.

[stevemcqueen1]

I like the Nicholson signing. Fills a need and the price was right, but he's only a 15 MPG player. This means Mahinmi is going to be playing out of position at PF for several minutes a game, or Otto is going to have to play up.

[gambitx777]

I 100% disagree with everyone saying that we need to trade gortat. Split the time down the middle between the two and call it a day. Titles are won, by having starting caliber players coming off the bench. This should be the plan here. If we can bring over tomas that would help the second unit with creation of offense. I think this is a smart move! Mahimi or Gortat will play well against bench units, and if we get guards who are solid enough off the bench we can make this work! Tomas, Seth curry, Norris cole, david stockton, would help.

There are some solid deals out there left to make, I think going out and getting Sully or T.Jones would be smart moves, We have white coming in from europe in all likelihood.

That's fine and dandy, but we only have the talent to challenge for the last playoff spot. And it makes no sense to split their time down the middle when Gortat is better than Mahinmi, and Gortat IS clearly better than Mahinmi.

We have half a team to fill yet that there are still some pretty god players we could add. Not getting a bit name is not the end of the world. We all knew this could happen.

BTW Andrew Nicholson at 4 years 26 mill, in this market that's a solid deal!

[stevemcqueen1]

Mahinmi is good. Probably one of the best defensive players in the NBA. This was a perfectly fine signing in a vacuum. But it feels **** because:

1 - The disappointment of losing out on Horford stings like Hell and Mahinmi is a huge step down from him in quality. Horford was probably our big shot to take the step up into the upper echelon of the conference during the Wall era and now it's gone.

2 - We already have a player that's better and cheaper than Mahinmi soaking up 30 minutes a game in Gortat and both are pure centers.

We are probably going to have to trade Gortat to get the 6 win share player that Mahinmi was for Indy last season. Otherwise he's going to languish on the bench playing in a second unit that can't create shots for him. Mahinmi has zero ability to create offense for himself. He is much, much better playing as a starting C with good PnR ball handlers that can feed him around the basket.

Ernie can salvage this. But he's going to have to move Gortat for a really good and useful player to do it.

Completely disagreeing with me for wanting to sign Dwight Howard and moving Gortat for good talent and...now wanting to start Ian Mahinmi and move Gortat for good contracts.

lmao

I wouldn't have signed Mahinmi. I would have gone for a cheaper player that needs less minutes. But now that we've made the move, we have to try and make the best of it.

BTW your reasoning for signing Dwight is still lousy. The dude is expensive, falling apart, and a team cancer. Signing him just to spark buzz in the fan base was silly.

[gesa2]

Both Mahinmi and Nicholson are reasonable values for the market it seems. Short of getting Durant or Horford, our future was always going to be dependant on Beal Porter and Oubre. Unless one of them develops into something really special, we'll be mediocre.

[MikeTheKid]

Trey Burke to the Wizards per Woj and Shams

What in the world is going on??? Seems like Ernie woke up

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/749627881010171904[/tweet]

[gambitx777]

Both Mahinmi and Nicholson are reasonable values for the market it seems. Short of getting Durant or Horford, our future was always going to be dependant on Beal Porter and Oubre. Unless one of them develops into something really special, we'll be mediocre.

If we can keep beal healthy, then that improves the team drastically. I have been on my soap box about nicholson since the trade deadline! I love that deal. We could probably sign another big, but we need to start looking for back up point guards before all the good young ones are gone, AKA seth curry, norris cole etc... If we get tomas it's less of an issues but I have not heard any news on him as of yet.

[payitforward]

THANK GOD

Andrew Nicholson to Wiz per Woj

4yrs 26mil

Not a big name but a young possible S4 to develop, the only thing that worries me is ORL pretty much gave up on him but it was Scott Skiles coaching

That's the kind of players Wizards should target with potential to develope. I like this guy, should be solid strech-4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nichoan01.html

Nope. Not a good signing in the least. Does nothing particularly well and managed to earn 800 minutes on a team that wasn't as good as ours last year. Turns 27 later this year, so forget about him having future development potential in him. Quincy Acy would have been a lot better -- much more effective, younger, probably will go cheaper as well.

Nicholson seems like a nice kid, though. That's a plus.

[nuposse04]

THANK GOD

Andrew Nicholson to Wiz per Woj

4yrs 26mil

Not a big name but a young possible S4 to develop, the only thing that worries me is ORL pretty much gave up on him but it was Scott Skiles coaching

That's the kind of players Wizards should target with potential to develope. I like this guy, should be solid strech-4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nichoan01.html

Nope. Not a good signing in the least. Does nothing particularly well and managed to earn 800 minutes on a team that wasn't as good as ours last year. Turns 27 later this year, so forget about him having future development potential in him. Quincy Acy would have been a lot better -- much more effective, younger, probably will go cheaper as well.

Nicholson seems like a nice kid, though. That's a plus.

I like Acy, seems to be a good player. But he turns 26 in october... If you're going to detract from the Nicholson signing for various reasons... fine... but not like 26 year ols make massive leaps either. Be consistent with your analysis.

Also, Nicholson took 7 3s per 36, Acy took like 2... I think one of these is a legit S4 while the other is a 4/5 who CAN hit a three. Ideally, I'd like both

[nuposse04]

Trey Burke... was a fan coming out of college but he hasn't really blossomed.. gave up a 2021 2nd for him... I think this is a contract year for him right? If we had two years of cheap production in him sure... not the worst gamble ever... but seems like an odd choice.

If they really go after crawford, our bench unit backcourt defense will be horrible. Would almost justify signing Ian to just to make up for their woe.

[payitforward]

Trey Burke to the Wizards per Woj and Shams

What in the world is going on??? Seems like Ernie woke up

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/749627881010171904[/tweet]

Oh no.... Another future pick flushed down the toilet. There are plenty of journeyman PG FAs left out there, why do we have to give up a pick to get one?

Not to mention that Trey Burke has been just awful, a complete bust. Oh man, is this going to be a painful year.

The only good thing I can think of is that I really can't imagine Ernie surviving this debacle.

[Wizardspride]

Trey Burke to the Wizards per Woj and Shams

What in the world is going on??? Seems like Ernie woke up

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/749627881010171904[/tweet]

Oh no.... Another future pick flushed down the toilet. There are plenty of journeyman PG FAs left out there, why do we have to give up a pick to get one?

Not to mention that Trey Burke has been just awful, a complete bust. Oh man, is this going to be a painful year.

The only good thing I can think of is that I really can't imagine Ernie surviving this debacle.

They're giving up a 2021 2nd round pick.....

[gesa2]

Burke picked up his TS % from awful to just bad last year, and shot it better from 3. I think he was given too big of a role in UT too quickly, and did better when he went to the bench. I think he'll be ok as a back up, and is cheap and young.

We'll be top ten by 2021 anyways, so how much value does a #50 pick have? (-:

[80sballboy]

Philly is all over him so....

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CandaceDBuckner/status/749624888328122368[/tweet]

[Sluggerface]

Burke's probably a stop gap for Satoransky, doubt he's coming over until next year.

[penbeast0]

This seems a lot like the offseason we signed Blair, Humphries, etc. Got vets with decent numbers who don't move the needle but provide reasonably sure things in the rotation. Good treadmill signings but that's about it; no real plan to be better than that showing.

Don't want Crawford, period. Jordan Crawford was enough, don't need his older twin from another mother.

[80sballboy]

And it continues...

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[80sballboy]

This seems a lot like the offseason we signed Blair, Humphries, etc. Got vets with decent numbers who don't move the needle but provide reasonably sure things in the rotation. Good treadmill signings but that's about it; no real plan to be better than that showing.

Don't want Crawford, period. Jordan Crawford was enough, don't need his older twin from another mother.

Well he's not Jordan that's for sure. I guess a one-year deal makes sense for a 36-year old gunner. You know what he is but I think Philly gives him too much money to pass up.

[payitforward]

That's the kind of players Wizards should target with potential to develope. I like this guy, should be solid strech-4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nichoan01.html

Nope. Not a good signing in the least. Does nothing particularly well and managed to earn 800 minutes on a team that wasn't as good as ours last year. Turns 27 later this year, so forget about him having future development potential in him. Quincy Acy would have been a lot better -- much more effective, younger, probably will go cheaper as well.

Nicholson seems like a nice kid, though. That's a plus.

I like Acy, seems to be a good player. But he turns 26 in october... If you're going to detract from the Nicholson signing for various reasons... fine... but not like 26 year ols make massive leaps either. Be consistent with your analysis.

Also, Nicholson took 7 3s per 36, Acy took like 2... I think one of these is a legit S4 while the other is a 4/5 who CAN hit a three. Ideally, I'd like both

The thing is... Acy is already a good player. You would be signing a guy who has shown he can play well in the league -- his numbers overall are above average. His TS% is .63; Nicholson's just under .57. Nicholson gets you 5.5 more points per 40 -- but it takes him 6.5 more shots to do it (39% on the extra shots). Meanwhile in those 40 minutes, he turns it over 1 more time than Acy, and steals it one fewer time.

As to age, tho, you are right. Acy is younger but no big deal in that.

All that said, I hope Andrew Nicholson is terrific. Last year was his best year so far. He wasn't any good, but he was better than he had been. If he gets better again by the same jump I'll be happy for him. Still won't make him a good player for us, however.

[payitforward]

Trey Burke to the Wizards per Woj and Shams

What in the world is going on??? Seems like Ernie woke up

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/749627881010171904[/tweet]

Oh no.... Another future pick flushed down the toilet. There are plenty of journeyman PG FAs left out there, why do we have to give up a pick to get one?

Not to mention that Trey Burke has been just awful, a complete bust. Oh man, is this going to be a painful year.

The only good thing I can think of is that I really can't imagine Ernie surviving this debacle.

They're giving up a 2021 2nd round pick.....

If Ernie is still here, count on that being the #31 pick in the draft! And everyone says that's going to be a great draft too!