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Wizman84 wrote:Getting Sato over is the only thing that can save this offseason. Mahinmi is such a disappointing signing. The Pacers didn't even want him. Thats like paying Kevin Seraphin 15 mil a year.
nate33 wrote:I'm saying that, two years from now, when there is no longer an anomalous surge of money in one offseason, we will look back at Mahinmi's contract and realize how bad it is. It may not be bad relative to other contracts in the 2016 free agency class, but it'll be bad relative to all other contracts in the league in 2018.
This is not the year to sign long term contracts. After striking out on Durant and Horford, we should have stepped away from the table. If Wall is upset about it, tell him that we're simply not paying 20% of the cap for Ian freaking Mahinmi, market forces be damned. We'll save the money, get below the league minimum salary, and pay all of our current players a bonus.
dckingsfan wrote:Wizman84 wrote:Getting Sato over is the only thing that can save this offseason. Mahinmi is such a disappointing signing. The Pacers didn't even want him. Thats like paying Kevin Seraphin 15 mil a year.
David Pick: Source: Odds of Euro stash Tomas Satoransky leaving Barcelona for Wizards, slim to none.
payitforward wrote:Nets have made a 4year/$50m offer to Tyler Johnson. He's a terrific young player IMO. But... $12.5m a year? He'll be with Brooklyn next year, I'm sure.
keynote wrote:nate33 wrote:I'm saying that, two years from now, when there is no longer an anomalous surge of money in one offseason, we will look back at Mahinmi's contract and realize how bad it is. It may not be bad relative to other contracts in the 2016 free agency class, but it'll be bad relative to all other contracts in the league in 2018.
This is not the year to sign long term contracts. After striking out on Durant and Horford, we should have stepped away from the table. If Wall is upset about it, tell him that we're simply not paying 20% of the cap for Ian freaking Mahinmi, market forces be damned. We'll save the money, get below the league minimum salary, and pay all of our current players a bonus.
That's a fair analysis, and a viable strategy that Wizards could've employed, given where we are in our efforts to build a contender.
I was making a different point: I was analyzing *this year's* acquisitions, in light of *this year's* marketplace. Time will tell whether market fluctuations in future years will render most/all 2016 deals "bad" in retrospect, but I don't think it matters much -- the entire league is aware of the cap projections for 2018 and beyond, and (in theory) that info gets baked into the market forces that set today's FMV. Or, to put it another way: our deals for Wall and Gortat look great now in light of the cap increase, but that doesn't mean that they were necessarily market value *at the time we inked them* (I thought they were slight overpays on both fronts at the time).
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payitforward wrote:nuposse04 wrote:payitforward wrote:Nope. Not a good signing in the least. Does nothing particularly well and managed to earn 800 minutes on a team that wasn't as good as ours last year. Turns 27 later this year, so forget about him having future development potential in him. Quincy Acy would have been a lot better -- much more effective, younger, probably will go cheaper as well.
Nicholson seems like a nice kid, though. That's a plus.
I like Acy, seems to be a good player. But he turns 26 in october... If you're going to detract from the Nicholson signing for various reasons... fine... but not like 26 year ols make massive leaps either. Be consistent with your analysis.
Also, Nicholson took 7 3s per 36, Acy took like 2... I think one of these is a legit S4 while the other is a 4/5 who CAN hit a three. Ideally, I'd like both
The thing is... Acy is already a good player. You would be signing a guy who has shown he can play well in the league -- his numbers overall are above average. His TS% is .63; Nicholson's just under .57. Nicholson gets you 5.5 more points per 40 -- but it takes him 6.5 more shots to do it (39% on the extra shots). Meanwhile in those 40 minutes, he turns it over 1 more time than Acy, and steals it one fewer time.
As to age, tho, you are right. Acy is younger but no big deal in that.
All that said, I hope Andrew Nicholson is terrific. Last year was his best year so far. He wasn't any good, but he was better than he had been. If he gets better again by the same jump I'll be happy for him. Still won't make him a good player for us, however.
payitforward wrote:keynote wrote:nate33 wrote:I'm saying that, two years from now, when there is no longer an anomalous surge of money in one offseason, we will look back at Mahinmi's contract and realize how bad it is. It may not be bad relative to other contracts in the 2016 free agency class, but it'll be bad relative to all other contracts in the league in 2018.
This is not the year to sign long term contracts. After striking out on Durant and Horford, we should have stepped away from the table. If Wall is upset about it, tell him that we're simply not paying 20% of the cap for Ian freaking Mahinmi, market forces be damned. We'll save the money, get below the league minimum salary, and pay all of our current players a bonus.
That's a fair analysis, and a viable strategy that Wizards could've employed, given where we are in our efforts to build a contender.
I was making a different point: I was analyzing *this year's* acquisitions, in light of *this year's* marketplace. Time will tell whether market fluctuations in future years will render most/all 2016 deals "bad" in retrospect, but I don't think it matters much -- the entire league is aware of the cap projections for 2018 and beyond, and (in theory) that info gets baked into the market forces that set today's FMV. Or, to put it another way: our deals for Wall and Gortat look great now in light of the cap increase, but that doesn't mean that they were necessarily market value *at the time we inked them* (I thought they were slight overpays on both fronts at the time).
I'd say, however, that Mahinmi's deal is bad relative to other -- at least some other -- FA contracts this week. Or, at least, it's certainly not particularly good.
I'd much rather have Aldrich on his deal. And I'd rather have given Biyombo $2m more a year as well. I'd rather have Noah at $72m than Mahinmi at $64m.
Still, Aldrich was the right choice, the right deal -- and right for us as well.
payitforward wrote:keynote wrote:nate33 wrote:I'm saying that, two years from now, when there is no longer an anomalous surge of money in one offseason, we will look back at Mahinmi's contract and realize how bad it is. It may not be bad relative to other contracts in the 2016 free agency class, but it'll be bad relative to all other contracts in the league in 2018.
This is not the year to sign long term contracts. After striking out on Durant and Horford, we should have stepped away from the table. If Wall is upset about it, tell him that we're simply not paying 20% of the cap for Ian freaking Mahinmi, market forces be damned. We'll save the money, get below the league minimum salary, and pay all of our current players a bonus.
That's a fair analysis, and a viable strategy that Wizards could've employed, given where we are in our efforts to build a contender.
I was making a different point: I was analyzing *this year's* acquisitions, in light of *this year's* marketplace. Time will tell whether market fluctuations in future years will render most/all 2016 deals "bad" in retrospect, but I don't think it matters much -- the entire league is aware of the cap projections for 2018 and beyond, and (in theory) that info gets baked into the market forces that set today's FMV. Or, to put it another way: our deals for Wall and Gortat look great now in light of the cap increase, but that doesn't mean that they were necessarily market value *at the time we inked them* (I thought they were slight overpays on both fronts at the time).
I'd say, however, that Mahinmi's deal is bad relative to other -- at least some other -- FA contracts this week. Or, at least, it's certainly not particularly good.
I'd much rather have Aldrich on his deal. And I'd rather have given Biyombo $2m more a year as well. I'd rather have Noah at $72m than Mahinmi at $64m.
Still, Aldrich was the right choice, the right deal -- and right for us as well.
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Shame that such a good dude is an organization that makes the Wiz seem like the Warriors/Thunder/Heat.
gtn130 wrote:payitforward wrote:keynote wrote:
That's a fair analysis, and a viable strategy that Wizards could've employed, given where we are in our efforts to build a contender.
I was making a different point: I was analyzing *this year's* acquisitions, in light of *this year's* marketplace. Time will tell whether market fluctuations in future years will render most/all 2016 deals "bad" in retrospect, but I don't think it matters much -- the entire league is aware of the cap projections for 2018 and beyond, and (in theory) that info gets baked into the market forces that set today's FMV. Or, to put it another way: our deals for Wall and Gortat look great now in light of the cap increase, but that doesn't mean that they were necessarily market value *at the time we inked them* (I thought they were slight overpays on both fronts at the time).
I'd say, however, that Mahinmi's deal is bad relative to other -- at least some other -- FA contracts this week. Or, at least, it's certainly not particularly good.
I'd much rather have Aldrich on his deal. And I'd rather have given Biyombo $2m more a year as well. I'd rather have Noah at $72m than Mahinmi at $64m.
Still, Aldrich was the right choice, the right deal -- and right for us as well.
This is absolute crazy talk. Noah is washed.
