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2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1541 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:12 pm

keynote wrote:
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Shame that such a good dude is an organization that makes the Wiz seem like the Warriors/Thunder/Heat.


Good for Temple. He worked hard, and really improved his body and his jumper over the past year or two. But at $8M per, it makes sense that the Wizards would look elsewhere -- and perhaps try to find the *next* cheap Swiss Army knife.


I wish him the best of luck. I wouldn't want him as my backup to Beal or Wall, but as a 12th man. Glad to see he's making some dough, but the Kings are an organization that would rather keep a guy coming off a DUI/domestic abuse at point guard over Rajon Rondo (who nobody seems to like).
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1542 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:13 pm

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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1543 » by LyricalRico » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:17 pm

Yeah Temple, get yours! :clap:
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1544 » by AFM » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:25 pm

Good for Garrett. Sorry he has to play for the Kings though.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1545 » by payitforward » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:28 pm

nuposse04 wrote:Ehh, I think context matters when evaluating players. I'm guessing you prefer to believe production occurs in a vacuum but simply saying one box score stat is better then other seems like vanilla analysis.

Acy is for sure more efficient, but a S4 with a TS of 57 while playing on a team with a rookie PG starting is going to have a cascading effect on the playmaking potential said team is going to exude. If I have noticed one thing in this new NBA era, is that guys are still able to incrementally improve their long ball. Ariza did it, Iggy kind of did it around 28 years old... Reasonable to expect incremental improvements is all I'm saying. A TS of 57 isn't a reason to get all doom and gloom on a guy :/

Neither are stalwarts defensively but probably can be masked by decent center/SF play... although I don't know if Acy would be a good defensive anchor as a 5. Also is the fact Nicholson had better on/off numbers then Acy this year... I'd say ORL and SAC this past season were similar talent wise.. maybe an edge to Orl. Probably multiple reasons for that. But I think one key component in Nicholson's value on offense would be that you could actually run a half court offense through him. Yes he will give up one more TO per 36 but defenses are going to hone in on a guy who shoots volume threes then a guy who occasionally does em. Also, while offensive boards are great, with how fast the NBA is these days... if you don't have competent transition defense when one dude decides the crash the boards and MISSES (and he will have those) he will leave he defense exposed... which I'm guessing could have happened time to time last season in SAC. Luckily we have Wall with those chase down blocks :P

Uh huh. You've just fabricated a narrative out of whole cloth to explain Nicholson's poor play, and you want to call it "context." Sorry, that's not even vanilla, that's imaginary ice cream.

Iggy upped his 3 pt.% so it's reasonable to expect incremental improvement in that stat from Nicholson? If so, then it's reasonable to expect the same from Acy. Or anyone. Only... you have real data to support this claim? I'm guessing not. So, another fabricated narrative -- a story in which there's a happy ending.

Better on/off numbers??? Give me a break. A couple of terrible teams, for sure. Sacramento played in the Western Conference. Yet another fairy tale with a happy ending.

I'm sorry, you're not telling me that defenses honed in on Nicholson are you? You're not really saying that, right?

As to offensive boards -- I agree, they are horrible. Avoid at all costs. I mean I don't understand why Drummond, Kanter, Jordan, Whiteside, Capela, Valanciunas, Faried, Davis, Thompson, Nurkic, and Adams have jobs in the league at all with the way they get all those offensive rebounds.

Nicholson has had 4 years in the league to prove what he brings to the table. He was on a team where there was PT if he'd showed something. He didn't. Could all that change? Sure, anything can happen. In fact, I hear the ice cream truck right now, coming down my street ringing his bell.

Thing is, he's a bad player. Quincy Acy is a better player than Andrew Nicholson. Period.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1546 » by McFilthy » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:29 pm

AFM wrote:We don't know who this Dick Pic guy is. Only source I trust is J Michael.


AFM, can I take a moment to thank you for your ceaseless humor. You are a funny MFer. I consider you this board's Rodney Dangerfield. Who are your comedic influences?
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1547 » by Earth2Ted » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:32 pm

Today's gotta be up there as one of the most painful days in franchise history. A two year build up that was supposed to culminate in the triumphant homecoming of KD, then the Horford tease, only to end up with the current mishmash... Certainly ranks with c webbs departure, Gilbert's injury, gungate, and Juwan Howard's initial defection to the Heat. Older folks than myself would probably put the gsw sweep in 74-75 at the top.

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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1548 » by Dirk » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:35 pm

I remember a couple of years ago being so shocked with Temple.Just didn't look like he belonged in the NBA, one of the worst players I've ever seen, I thought back then. I took notice last year that he had some crazy run that shocked me.

Reading around, I notice that fans loved him and he seems to be a good guy with all the intangibles you need in a locker room: with that said, going back to my first thoughts on him when I saw him first play, it's amazing that he will be paid 8 million a year.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1549 » by MrTwister » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:41 pm

So Satoransky is finaly there :D
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1550 » by MarcoPolo » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:41 pm

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At least someone to be excited about. Sato is comin' :D
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1551 » by MikeTheKid » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:42 pm

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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1552 » by AFM » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:43 pm

PIF, now it's our time to gloat, get out here so we can point and laugh.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1553 » by Wizman84 » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:46 pm

Some good news.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1554 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:51 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/749703978204729345[/tweet]

All ill say is About F'N time


Finally some good news. EG finally did his job. :)
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Post#1555 » by MarcoPolo » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:52 pm

He is coming for reported 9 mln/3 years.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1556 » by Ed Wood » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:52 pm

Good thing we traded for Burke to alleviate any concerns Sato may have had about getting run in the rotation.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1557 » by nuposse04 » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:58 pm

payitforward wrote:Uh huh. You've just fabricated a narrative out of whole cloth to explain Nicholson's poor play, and you want to call it "context." Sorry, that's not even vanilla, that's imaginary ice cream.


I'd call it average play but call it what you want to fluff your ego.


Iggy upped his 3 pt.% so it's reasonable to expect incremental improvement in that stat from Nicholson? If so, then it's reasonable to expect the same from Acy. Or anyone. Only... you have real data to support this claim? I'm guessing not. So, another fabricated narrative -- a story in which there's a happy ending.


So...no one has the potential to improve? With proper coaching and work ethic we cannot expect a player who would benefit from improving to work on his shot? This is a massive leap? I suppose the connection is hard to make for a special sort of person...

Better on/off numbers??? Give me a break.

Why cause it doesn't befit your agenda? Kick rocks.

A couple of terrible teams, for sure. Sacramento played in the Western Conference. Yet another fairy tale with a happy ending.


And Orl wasn't bad last year? Saying they played in the western conference which was top heavy doesn't really persuade me there.

I'm sorry, you're not telling me that defenses honed in on Nicholson are you? You're not really saying that, right?


I am, if you ever actually played defense, you aren't going to close out hard on a guy who doesn't shoot threes regularly. You have played/watched before correct?


As to offensive boards -- I agree, they are horrible. Avoid at all costs. I mean I don't understand why Drummond, Kanter, Jordan, Whiteside, Capela, Valanciunas, Faried, Davis, Thompson, Nurkic, and Adams have jobs in the league at all with the way they get all those offensive rebounds.


Where did I say AVOID Offensive rebounds at all cost in the original post. Seriously leave your hyperbolic bull **** at the door. You want to be a jerkoff fine, but lets not be facetious douche bags and misconstrue what was said just cause it doesn't correlate with which stats YOU think represent winning basketball best.

Nicholson has had 4 years in the league to prove what he brings to the table. He was on a team where there was PT if he'd showed something. He didn't. Could all that change? Sure, anything can happen. In fact, I hear the ice cream truck right now, coming down my street ringing his bell.


He did definitely have ups and downs for sure, not denying that but the coaching changes they went through and minimal talent surely didn't foster an environment for him to thrive. Then again not like we have much more talent then ORL either. Anything can happen for sure. You could actually not have an aneurysm when an average player gets an average contract. But nah... that would be too vanilla a reaction for you...


Thing is, he's a bad player. Quincy Acy is a better player than Andrew Nicholson. Period.


nah, he is average with the off chance of becoming good in a decently defined role. And Acy isn't a bad player. I just won't throw a hissy fit on this one that we got one over the other. But hey, to each their own.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1558 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:59 pm

Can't believe they got him for $3M and Temple is getting $8M. Still gives us room for more. Maybe Harkless or Henderson.
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1559 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Jul 3, 2016 8:59 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/749706975894581248[/tweet]

That's actually a steal. I didn't know EG was such a prolific rebounder :lol:
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Re: 2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC 

Post#1560 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:02 pm

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