2017 Pick Watch (Sac Swap Rights, LAL pick)

[Skates]

Matt Barnes in Sacto will surely teach Boogie the finer points of self control, lol.

[MCoster]

Kings basically capped out now. Here's their 15-man roster for 2016-2017 season barring any trades.

Darren Collison/ Garrett Temple/ Isaiah Cousins
Aaron Afflalo/ Ben Mclemore/ Malachi Richardson
Rudy Gay/ Matt Barnes / Omri Casspi
Willie Cauley-Stein/ Anthony Tolliver/ Skal Labissiere
Demarcus Cousins/ Kosta Koufos/ Georgios Papagiannis

That's not good.

Edit: They did release Butler/Dukan as I suspected so there's their 15.

[sixers4real]

Kings basically capped out now. Here's there roster for 2016-2017 season.

Darren Collison/ Garrett Temple/ Isaiah Cousins
Aaron Afflalo/ Ben Mclemore/ Malachi Richardson
Rudy Gay/ Matt Barnes / Omri Casspi/ Caron Butler
Willie Cauley-Stein/ Anthony Tolliver/ Skal Labissiere / Duje Dukan
Demarcus Cousins/ Kosta Koufos/ Georgios Papagiannis

17 man kings roster for this year (probably cut Butler and Dukan if no trade to get to 15)

That's not good.

Bottom 8 to me

[HartfordWhalers]

Lakers are going to be in a real race for bottom 3 or not this year.

[05PhillyAI]

I doubt the Lakers pick turns into anything worth writing home about. The fact that it hasn't conveyed yet only makes me believe that it is only going to get less valuable as the years go by. I think trading it would be in the Sixers best interest. What good is an unprotected pick in 2018 when the Lakers will be late lottery range?

[Unbreakable99]

I doubt the Lakers pick turns into anything worth writing home about. The fact that it hasn't conveyed yet only makes me believe that it is only going to get less valuable as the years go by. I think trading it would be in the Sixers best interest. What good is an unprotected pick in 2018 when the Lakers will be late lottery range?

No way. The Lakers have the worst roster and will probably have the worst record this year so the pick. Ivet not convey next year either. If they don't land a big time free agent next year they will still miss the playoffs. We would still get a pick no lower than 14. That's still great value. You can get a good player later lottery. If they don't pick in the top 3 next year then it's a great chance it will be 4 or 5. Next year's draft is stacked. We could get another big time player. Keep the pick.

[05PhillyAI]

I doubt the Lakers pick turns into anything worth writing home about. The fact that it hasn't conveyed yet only makes me believe that it is only going to get less valuable as the years go by. I think trading it would be in the Sixers best interest. What good is an unprotected pick in 2018 when the Lakers will be late lottery range?

No way. The Lakers have the worst roster and will probably have the worst record this year so the pick. Ivet not convey next year either. If they don't land a big time free agent next year they will still miss the playoffs. We would still get a pick no lower than 14. That's still great value. You can get a good player later lottery. If they don't pick in the top 3 next year then it's a great chance it will be 4 or 5. Next year's draft is stacked. We could get another big time player. Keep the pick.

I just have this fear that we won't maximize it's value. And IMO, providing that there is a potential deal good enough out there, they should get max value and move it

[Ericb5]

I doubt the Lakers pick turns into anything worth writing home about. The fact that it hasn't conveyed yet only makes me believe that it is only going to get less valuable as the years go by. I think trading it would be in the Sixers best interest. What good is an unprotected pick in 2018 when the Lakers will be late lottery range?

No way. The Lakers have the worst roster and will probably have the worst record this year so the pick. Ivet not convey next year either. If they don't land a big time free agent next year they will still miss the playoffs. We would still get a pick no lower than 14. That's still great value. You can get a good player later lottery. If they don't pick in the top 3 next year then it's a great chance it will be 4 or 5. Next year's draft is stacked. We could get another big time player. Keep the pick.

I just have this fear that we won't maximize it's value. And IMO, providing that there is a potential deal good enough out there, they should get max value and move it

We can trade it with Noel or Okafor if it gets us a star, but getting a lottery pick in 17 or 18 is still great value for MCW.

[phiphan]

Vegas sees us ahead of Sacramento right now:

(odds to win NBA championship)

Denver Nuggets 250/1
Los Angeles Lakers 250/1
Orlando Magic 250/1
Philadelphia 76ers 250/1
Sacramento Kings 300/1
Phoenix Suns 500/1
Brooklyn Nets 1000/1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

[Ericb5]

Vegas sees us ahead of Sacramento right now:

(odds to win NBA championship)

Denver Nuggets 250/1
Los Angeles Lakers 250/1
Orlando Magic 250/1
Philadelphia 76ers 250/1
Sacramento Kings 300/1
Phoenix Suns 500/1
Brooklyn Nets 1000/1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

I would love to see the lottery standings end exactly as these odds predict. We would have the 3rd and 6th pick next year, and that would be UNREAL. There are at least 6 top flight players in this draft and we would be assured of getting 2 of them.

[baldur]

so you can have two or three picks at the top 6 in next years draft?

[76ciology]

so you can have two or three picks at the top 6 in next years draft?

2. Pick swap option with Sac and LAL pick.

[Wilfried]

Vegas sees us ahead of Sacramento right now:

(odds to win NBA championship)

Denver Nuggets 250/1
Los Angeles Lakers 250/1
Orlando Magic 250/1
Philadelphia 76ers 250/1
Sacramento Kings 300/1
Phoenix Suns 500/1
Brooklyn Nets 1000/1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

I would love to see the lottery standings end exactly as these odds predict. We would have the 3rd and 6th pick next year, and that would be UNREAL. There are at least 6 top flight players in this draft and we would be assured of getting 2 of them.

Next draft is the one we start praying the LA pick is coming our way. To make sure of that, I'm hoping they are ending at 6th last (Kings, Nets, Sixers, Nuggets, maybe OKC and Chicago if they go for rebuild). Everything lower would give me so much fear they end up top 3 again.

2018 draft is to risky for me. I see them adding Westbrook next summer + ...
And a develloping Ingram (and maybe Russell) would help them contend for play-offs.

[ryank88]

Kings basically capped out now. Here's their 15-man roster for 2016-2017 season barring any trades.

Darren Collison/ Garrett Temple/ Isaiah Cousins
Aaron Afflalo/ Ben Mclemore/ Malachi Richardson
Rudy Gay/ Matt Barnes / Omri Casspi
Willie Cauley-Stein/ Anthony Tolliver/ Skal Labissiere
Demarcus Cousins/ Kosta Koufos/ Georgios Papagiannis

That's not good.

Edit: They did release Butler/Dukan as I suspected so there's their 15.

Not sure if it has been discussed, but there's no guarantee Collison plays next year either with his legal troubles.

[HartfordWhalers]

Kings basically capped out now. Here's their 15-man roster for 2016-2017 season barring any trades.

Darren Collison/ Garrett Temple/ Isaiah Cousins
Aaron Afflalo/ Ben Mclemore/ Malachi Richardson
Rudy Gay/ Matt Barnes / Omri Casspi
Willie Cauley-Stein/ Anthony Tolliver/ Skal Labissiere
Demarcus Cousins/ Kosta Koufos/ Georgios Papagiannis

That's not good.

Edit: They did release Butler/Dukan as I suspected so there's their 15.

Not sure if it has been discussed, but there's no guarantee Collison plays next year either with his legal troubles.

He will absolutely play. Last I heard it was just minor actual charges. The idea of him not playing next year would be like Okafor not playing last year for his issues.

[ryank88]

Kings basically capped out now. Here's their 15-man roster for 2016-2017 season barring any trades.

Darren Collison/ Garrett Temple/ Isaiah Cousins
Aaron Afflalo/ Ben Mclemore/ Malachi Richardson
Rudy Gay/ Matt Barnes / Omri Casspi
Willie Cauley-Stein/ Anthony Tolliver/ Skal Labissiere
Demarcus Cousins/ Kosta Koufos/ Georgios Papagiannis

That's not good.

Edit: They did release Butler/Dukan as I suspected so there's their 15.

Not sure if it has been discussed, but there's no guarantee Collison plays next year either with his legal troubles.

He will absolutely play. Last I heard it was just minor actual charges. The idea of him not playing next year would be like Okafor not playing last year for his issues.

Damn really? I would have thought there would be much more public backlash for alleged domestic violence than what Okafor did. I understand the charges were classed as a misdemeanour, just thought that sort of thing would carry a bit more weight (with the presumption of innocent until proven guilty).

[iMoreland]

Why isn't Jonathan Jeanne higher on draft sites boards?

He's a top 10 prospect imo.

[kriss73]

For the first time, I've got a bad feeling: we need to trade the LAL pick ASAP.

July 2017: the Lakers are dead last in the standings and they keep their own pick, one of the top 3.
They previously stretched Swaggy and were able to trade Lou with the 2 second round picks at the February deadline.
Now they have around 50M in cap space and they use that money to max out both Westbrook and Griffin.

With a any combination of: DAR/Randle/Clarkson/Ingram/2017 pick/2020 pick they are able to trade for an expiring Cousins and his 18M of salary.

Some vets to minimum contracts and we're screwed for their 2018 unprotected pick.

It's a long shot of course, but not so faked sigh.

BC has to monitor the situation at the February deadline.

[Arsenal]

For the first time, I've got a bad feeling: we need to trade the LAL pick ASAP.

July 2017: the Lakers are dead last in the standings and they keep their own pick, one of the top 3.
They previously stretched Swaggy and were able to trade Lou with the 2 second round picks at the February deadline.
Now they have around 50M in cap space and they use that money to max out both Westbrook and Griffin.

With a any combination of: DAR/Randle/Clarkson/Ingram/2017 pick/2020 pick they are able to trade for an expiring Cousins and his 18M of salary.

Some vets to minimum contracts and we're screwed for their 2018 unprotected pick.

It's a long shot of course, but not so faked sigh.

BC has to monitor the situation at the February deadline.

It's a legitimate concern. I think the Nets are a lock to be the worst team. Lakers, us, or Suns could be 2nd worst. Ideally it looks like LAL will finish 4th worst at the trade deadline. If it looks like they will be 2nd worst, that's a problem.

Here are the odds we get their pick based on where they finish (1st means Worst, 2nd means 2nd Worst, 3rd means 3rd Worst, etc.):

1st) 35.7%
2nd) 44.2%
3rd) 53.1%
4th) 62.2%
5th) 70.8%

I don't see any way they finish higher than that.

[wickedwrister]

Can anyone come up with a tally of players in and out for Sacramento and LAL this offseason.

Off the top of my head:
Kings In: Temple. Afflalo, Richardson, Skal, Papagianis (is he coming or stash?), Barnes, Tolliver
Kings Out: Rondo, Bellineli, Butler, Curry, Dukan

Lakers In: Mozgov, Deng, Calderon, Ingram, Zubac
Lakers Out: Kobe, Hibbert, potential free agent losses (Bass, MWP)

I'm sure I'm missing people, what other movement has there been?