Nuggets Roster - Now & Future

Post #1 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 11:56 pm

Age
34 - Nelson
29 - Chandler
28 - Arthur
27 - Gallinari
26 - Faried
25 - Barton
24 - Lauvergne
21 - Nurkic
21 - Jokic
21 - Harris
20 - Mudiay
19 - Beasley
19 - Murray

Average age of 24 and none of these players will be free agents next year

The following are waiting in the wing

22 - Radicevic
20 - Cornelie
20 - Hernangomez

Plus we still have

2017 1st round picks - Denver & Memphis
All of our future 1st round picks

The future is looking good

Nuggets_Talk · Post #2 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 1:01 am

gallo will certainly opt out next summer so we do need to worry about that.

skywalker33 · Post #3 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:12 am

So it appears we have a "potentially" talented backcourt and a lot of talent at the C position .Hernangomez could be a solid backup, we'll be able to get a better feel for this during Summer League.

Pretty obvious that Barton will be traded, hopefully to PHI for a swap option as I can see a lot of F talent in next years draft

skywalker33 · Post #4 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 3:51 pm

Just saw a video of the new & improved slimmed-down version of Jusef Nurkic. Looks like he's doesn't want to be forgotten, he looked good. Doesn't look like the Bosnian-Beast anymore though, have to go with BNG (Bosnian Nugget Giant).

Post #5 » by **NuggetsWY** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 4:33 pm

skywalker33 wrote:Just saw a video of the new & improved slimmed-down version of Jusef Nurkic. Looks like he's doesn't want to be forgotten, he looked good. Doesn't look like the Bosnian-Beast anymore though, have to go with BNG (Bosnian Nugget Giant).

ROFLMAO - Don't make a fat old man laugh this much, it hurts.
I seriously hope the Nuggets make Jokic-Nurkic a combination that seriously works at center and part-time PF. Long term, that's a fantastic team (or so it seems).

I've been watching some college games (not just clips) and as much as I like Harris and as much as I hope his off-season brings significant improvement; I'm really liking the thought of Mudiay-Murray as the starting guards with Beasley off the bench. Thinking Mudiay plays 35 mpg at PG and Murray plays 13 mpg at PG and 22 MPG at SG with Beasley picking up 26 mpg at SG.

Long-term forwards: Hernangomez at PF and Cornelie at SF? Maybe. Maybe not. Plus there need to be more. Fortunately Gallinari & Chandler & Faried & Arthur can all play at least 5 or more years at their current levels. So there's no rush here.

No doubt there will be trades especially of forwards and shooting guards, but I'm really liking our options at guard and center.

Powder Blue · Post #6 » by **Powder Blue** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 4:52 pm

Potential is great but we need those players to actually develop before they are up for their 3rd contract. The NBA is ruthless right now. Small market teams have very small windows.

Post #7 » by **NuggetsWY** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 5:44 pm

Powder Blue wrote:Potential is great but we need those players to actually develop before they are up for their 3rd contract. The NBA is ruthless right now. Small market teams have very small windows.

Exactly right and there is no window now - not in the west, especially not now.
The Nuggets need to be very patient now and develop their youth. I am now very opposed to a player like Wade. I hope the Nuggets keep way under the salary cap floor. Let each player get a $1m bonus for being under the cap floor. Why not? A top veteran can get us to the playoffs, probably. Not so sure just one Wade type veteran can get us past the first round. I still believe the Nuggets can make the playoffs next year - a lock? No, but possible. Build this young team and if we sign and/or trade then go for more youth - looking to build for 4-5 years from now with a team that has been carefully built to function as a team. Hopefully along the way, 2 or 3 of our youth will become all-star level players.

TunaFish · Post #8 » by **TunaFish** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 7:05 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:gallo will certainly opt out next summer so we do need to worry about that.

He was an unrestricted free agent when he signed with Denver before last season. If he plays as well as he did (when he played) last year his current contract will look small. Opting out doesn't mean he won't resign in Denver again but it does mean he will be receiving a "raise."

TunaFish · Post #9 » by **TunaFish** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 7:12 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:
Powder Blue wrote:Potential is great but we need those players to actually develop before they are up for their 3rd contract. The NBA is ruthless right now. Small market teams have very small windows.

Exactly right and there is no window now - not in the west, especially not now.
The Nuggets need to be very patient now and develop their youth. I am now very opposed to a player like Wade. I hope the Nuggets keep way under the salary cap floor. Let each player get a $1m bonus for being under the cap floor. Why not? A top veteran can get us to the playoffs, probably. Not so sure just one Wade type veteran can get us past the first round. I still believe the Nuggets can make the playoffs next year - a lock? No, but possible. Build this young team and if we sign and/or trade then go for more youth - looking to build for 4-5 years from now with a team that has been carefully built to function as a team. Hopefully along the way, 2 or 3 of our youth will become all-star level players.

Durant is primarily a shooter on a team of shooters. I have seen some stacked teams in the past not fulfill their promise. When Bogut got hurt in the championship, I thought that impacted the Warriors on defense more than anyone expected. Bogut is now on his way to Dallas because of the Durant signing. I wouldn't crown any team champion before they play the games.

I also can't see Denver staying 12 million below the cap floor.

skywalker33 · Post #10 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:50 pm

Well, getting Chandler back and adding some outside shooting, I can envision at least 40 wins next season. Hopefully Gallo will be able to stay healthy for a FULL season (or 90% of one, knocking MEM out of the playoffs would be most excellent even if we weren't there either. Two lottery picks in next years year wouldn't hurt.

Post #11 » by **The Rebel** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:12 pm

TunaFish wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
Powder Blue wrote:Potential is great but we need those players to actually develop before they are up for their 3rd contract. The NBA is ruthless right now. Small market teams have very small windows.

Exactly right and there is no window now - not in the west, especially not now.
The Nuggets need to be very patient now and develop their youth. I am now very opposed to a player like Wade. I hope the Nuggets keep way under the salary cap floor. Let each player get a $1m bonus for being under the cap floor. Why not? A top veteran can get us to the playoffs, probably. Not so sure just one Wade type veteran can get us past the first round. I still believe the Nuggets can make the playoffs next year - a lock? No, but possible. Build this young team and if we sign and/or trade then go for more youth - looking to build for 4-5 years from now with a team that has been carefully built to function as a team. Hopefully along the way, 2 or 3 of our youth will become all-star level players.

Durant is primarily a shooter on a team of shooters. I have seen some stacked teams in the past not fulfill their promise. When Bogut got hurt in the championship, I thought that impacted the Warriors on defense more than anyone expected. Bogut is now on his way to Dallas because of the Durant signing. I wouldn't crown any team champion before they play the games.

I also can't see Denver staying 12 million below the cap floor.

Agree with everything you said. All I see is a huge upgrade from Barnes to Durant, but no center left on the team and no defense in the middle. That is one thing that everybody is missing, you now have 2 starters that are below average on defense, no center on the roster, and nobody to stop nor create offense in the middle. The teams that beat the Warriors in the regular season and in the finals all had an advantage in the middle already (especially when Bogut went down), the Thunder should have won their series and that was due to their advantages in the middle, now they made their biggest weakness worse and strengthened their strength that was already strongest in the league. In a weird way I think the Warriors are actually worse after these moves at least when the playoffs come.

RRFB · Post #12 » by **RRFB** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:15 pm

I can't help but feel super depressed about this Durant to GS news and what it means for the NBA and small market teams like us, but there is a silver lining with Durant leaving the Northwest division. Once Westbrook inevitably changes teams, this division is going to be wide open and extremely competitive. The Western conference has also become extremely top heavy, creating a lot of opportunity for the teams in the middle of the pack.

I feel like the Nuggets have a really strong mix of talented youth and quality vets that should create a great environment for player development -- which should be the main priority. If one or more of Mudiay/Murray/Harris/Jokic/Nurkic can take the next step towards stardom, we'll be in great shape.

skywalker33 · Post #13 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:51 pm

For the next 4 years or so the WCF is probably out of reach, but that's when our youth will be entering it's prime. We need to continue to build, making appropriate trades to continue refueling our roster and always keeping player development as a top priority.

Post #14 » by **NuggetsWY** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 10:21 pm

All is not lost - Tunafish & The Rebel laid out a big part of it and remember that Durrant can be a FA next year when Westbrook is a FA - ought to give you reason to wonder

tstrick33 · Post #15 » by **tstrick33** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 11:49 pm

The small market argument is not a valid point anymore. CLE won a championship and players would love to join the CAVS. GSW got Durant and you can't say Oakland is a large market. The large markets are struggling. Chicago is rebuilding, Lakers are forced to overpay Mozgov because no one wants to go there and the Knicks are trying to rebuild the Bulls from 4 years ago.

It really just comes down to winning. If we make the playoffs with a young core that shows potential, players will come to Denver.

This is also why Dwyane Wade signing would be very helpful for us. It's not about the market.

skywalker33 · Post #16 » by **skywalker33** » Tue Jul 5, 2016 12:52 am

How did GSW win ??? they built thru the draft !!! We've got pieces in place, cap space ahead and a stacked draft with two more piece to build with....STAY THE COURSE !!

Nuggets_Talk · Post #17 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:18 am

skywalker33 wrote:For the next 4 years or so the WCF is probably out of reach, but that's when our youth will be entering it's prime. We need to continue to build, making appropriate trades to continue refueling our roster and always keeping player development as a top priority.

pretty much the only way to look at the durant to GS stuff without going insane.

we werent beating GS before so might as well weaken a divisional opponent?

but I cant help to think all our young guys are counting down the days they can leave denver to join their own super team. why does the nba have 30 teams when only 6 even matter?

Nuggets_Talk · Post #18 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:19 am

tstrick33 wrote:The small market argument is not a valid point anymore. CLE won a championship and players would love to join the CAVS. GSW got Durant and you can't say Oakland is a large market. The large markets are struggling. Chicago is rebuilding, Lakers are forced to overpay Mozgov because no one wants to go there and the Knicks are trying to rebuild the Bulls from 4 years ago.

It really just comes down to winning. If we make the playoffs with a young core that shows potential, players will come to Denver.

This is also why Dwyane Wade signing would be very helpful for us. It's not about the market.

cleveland only won because lebron is from there. if he was born in dallas, cavs never win anything.

the warriors are from oakland but that also includes the huge SF market.

Post #19 » by **The Rebel** » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:21 am

skywalker33 wrote:How did GSW win ??? they built thru the draft !!! We've got pieces in place, cap space ahead and a stacked draft with two more piece to build with....STAY THE COURSE !!

Funny thing about the rise of the Warriors, it happened when they brought in Bogut and got rid of a good scorer that liked the ball in his hands. If you think back to their series against the Nuggets, Bogut single handily turned the Nuggets into jumpshooters and they easily won that game. Which is why losing Gallo and his foul drawing ability was so detrimental. Now they have lost that ability to clog the paint.

The Nuggets need time but they need veterans to steady the team. Due to injury issues I don't think we have that guy on the roster yet.

Post #20 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:25 am

Nuggets_Talk wrote:but I cant help to think all our young guys are counting down the days they can leave denver to join their own super team. why does the nba have 30 teams when only 6 even matter?

Faried wants to be in Denver - Arthur probably took less money to be in Denver - Chandler says he loves being in Denver - Gallinari says he wants to stay in Denver --- once guys get to Denver, most or at least many want to stay in Denver and if these young players are taught to trust each other on the court and to play as a team, most of them will want to stay in Denver - especially if the team starts winning and the fans start filling the seats --- I've traveled all over this country, started out near Green Bay, lived in Portland when they first started, saw the Tampa Bay Buccaneers & Devil Rays both start up - the Denver fans are awesome, when a team is winning - it's a contagious feeling and excitement.

skywalker33 wrote:How did GSW win ??? they built thru the draft !!! We've got pieces in place, cap space ahead and a stacked draft with two more piece to build with....STAY THE COURSE !!

Exactly right!