Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

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Gotta be a trade in the works, right?

Wiz can't run out this group of misfit toys, can they?

Misfit?

Wall / Burke
Beal / Sato
Otto / Oubre
Kieff / Nicholson
Gortat / Mahinmi

We also have McClellan, 6M in cap space, and the room exception to fill out another G, a wing, and big.

What EG is doing is building a deep team and hoping Brooks and Co can make Wall, Beal, Otto, and Oubre improve. If we prove to be a 47 -50 win team, then we have the assets to add final piece (Cousins, Blake, Gallinari, etc.)

Wow.... I hope Brooks will be a good coach, but a team can't be better than its players. Last year we were a 41 win team. Do we have better players this year?

Mahinmi upgrades us at backup Center, we can be pretty sure of that, while Burke downgrades us at backup PG.

We have no depth at SF -- I certainly hope KO can be a productive player this early in his career, but he was pretty bad last year, so we'll have to see. I do expect Porter to continue getting better.

We haven't improved at the 4. I'm glad everyone likes Nicholson, but he isn't an upgrade over anybody. He earned 800 minutes PT on a 33 win team last year.

Satoransky coming over is a plus, obviously, since it means we actually get something from our 2012 high R2 pick, but that's not the same as saying that he'll be very good very quickly. If he is, that will be a pleasant surprise -- but def. a surprise.

IOW, so far we're still a 41 win team. Now, we'll add 2 - 3 players, so maybe things will change. E.g. it's hard to believe we're going to depend on Burke behind Wall.

[pcbothwel]

Gotta be a trade in the works, right?

Wiz can't run out this group of misfit toys, can they?

Misfit?

Wall / Burke
Beal / Sato
Otto / Oubre
Kieff / Nicholson
Gortat / Mahinmi

We also have McClellan, 6M in cap space, and the room exception to fill out another G, a wing, and big.

What EG is doing is building a deep team and hoping Brooks and Co can make Wall, Beal, Otto, and Oubre improve. If we prove to be a 47 -50 win team, then we have the assets to add final piece (Cousins, Blake, Gallinari, etc.)

Wow.... I hope Brooks will be a good coach, but a team can't be better than its players. Last year we were a 41 win team. Do we have better players this year?

Mahinmi upgrades us at backup Center, we can be pretty sure of that, while Burke downgrades us at backup PG.

We have no depth at SF -- I certainly hope KO can be a productive player this early in his career, but he was pretty bad last year, so we'll have to see. I do expect Porter to continue getting better.

We haven't improved at the 4. I'm glad everyone likes Nicholson, but he isn't an upgrade over anybody. He earned 800 minutes PT on a 33 win team last year.

Satoransky coming over is a plus, obviously, since it means we actually get something from our 2012 high R2 pick, but that's not the same as saying that he'll be very good very quickly. If he is, that will be a pleasant surprise -- but def. a surprise.

IOW, so far we're still a 41 win team. Now, we'll add 2 - 3 players, so maybe things will change. E.g. it's hard to believe we're going to depend on Burke behind Wall.

I think Nicholson and Mahinmi are upgrades. As far as the wings, we have Oubre and Sato as depth and it looks like our cap space could go to Acy, Wright, Rush, Gerald Green, Etc. Alan Anderson could be added as well.

Like you said, we clearly have 1-2 more moves in us and that could change our Guard/Wing rotation quickly.

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You mention "Rush" -- Brandon Rush. If he fits our cap situation, I'd love to have him.

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Every optimistic scenario involves our youth continuing to improve, in some cases, faster than their competition. Not sure I'm seeing it but I won't rule it out. Who knows, maybe Nicholson will learn D.

[pcbothwel]

Every optimistic scenario involves our youth continuing to improve, in some cases, faster than their competition. Not sure I'm seeing it but I won't rule it out. Who knows, maybe Nicholson will learn D.

Word out of ORL is that he was terrible and then became better. He'll always be slow footed, but he's also a half inch from being 6'10, has a 7'4 wingspan and weighs about 240. He could play the stretch 5 for a couple minutes (as could Morris) and cause a lot of match-up issues.

Also, DRPM has him at 0.90. That is the same as Markieff and Ibaka. Just a thought.

[dangermouse]

Do we still have room for Acy? I would prefer Acy get minutes over Nicholson.

Just an idea, but is there any way we can trade for Hawes who is apparently available for peanuts? If so...
Have Mahinmi start with Hawes backing up. Trade Gortat + another player to upgrade our PF or SF situation. What could we get, or would this be blowing our load a bit early? Perhaps Cousins, Blake or the like become available down the track?

Plan KD2DC failed, whats the new plan to contend in 2 - 3 years?

[Upper Decker]

Westbrook for Wall. Who says no?

Westbrook is such a better player than Wall there really is no comparison in my mind. Effort, finishing ability, desire, rebounding, free throw shooting attempts, I could go on. The only issue is 1-year left of Westbrook's deal. If Westbrook would give a hint of a commitment I pull the trade and never look back.

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Westbrook for Wall. Who says no?

Westbrook is such a better player than Wall there really is no comparison in my mind. Effort, finishing ability, desire, rebounding, free throw shooting attempts, I could go on. The only issue is 1-year left of Westbrook's deal. If Westbrook would give a hint of a commitment I pull the trade and never look back.

This is kind of funny....

Westbrook is certainly better than Wall, much much better. Anyone would make that trade just based on the players. But if Westbrook won't consider an extension w/ OKC, why ever would he consider one here?

[spaceman_E]

Sato is a 3rd string PG, not a backup 2. Nicholson is a 3rd string C, not a backup 4. We really need a 2/3 + a 3/4 that can shoot.

But really we should face facts and be shopping Wall/Gortat and tanking for a couple top 5 picks to put with
Burke/Sato
Beal/ ?
Otto/Oubre
Morris/ ?
Mahinmi/Nicholson

Wall: BOS, DEN, PHI could be fits and a few others you'd need to get creative with
Gortat: I'd call DAL, GS, HOU, POR, SA

[dckingsfan]

Sato is a 3rd string PG, not a backup 2.

Don't disagree with much of the rest of your post but - he is more a point wing. He defends 2s & 3s pretty well. Little fast PGs, not so much.

[80sballboy]

Sato is a 3rd string PG, not a backup 2.

Don't disagree with much of the rest of your post but - he is more a point wing. He defends 2s & 3s pretty well. Little fast PGs, not so much.

Well Wall has problems with little fast PGs. Not saying Sato is a true point but if he's a 3rd string point guard behind Burke, we might as well shut the season down.

[dckingsfan]

Sato is a 3rd string PG, not a backup 2.

Don't disagree with much of the rest of your post but - he is more a point wing. He defends 2s & 3s pretty well. Little fast PGs, not so much.

Well Wall has problems with little fast PGs. Not saying Sato is a true point but if he's a 3rd string point guard behind Burke, we might as well shut the season down.

This - thank you EG. The number #1 place that we needed a backup was at PG so that John could heal slowly and safely. He is such a meh GM.

And you will find that Saty will be much better than Burke.

[LyricalRico]

Can we get a pick out of Gooden to Miami for McBob? They need the cap room.

[verbal8]

Can we get a pick out of Gooden to Miami for McBob? They need the cap room.

He hasn't been health/productive the past couple seasons, but over his career he has been better than Jason Smith.

The Wizards would have to throw in Jarell Eddie to make the salaries match.

[gambitx777]

Sato is a 3rd string PG, not a backup 2. Nicholson is a 3rd string C, not a backup 4. We really need a 2/3 + a 3/4 that can shoot.

But really we should face facts and be shopping Wall/Gortat and tanking for a couple top 5 picks to put with
Burke/Sato
Beal/ ?
Otto/Oubre
Morris/ ?
Mahinmi/Nicholson

Wall: BOS, DEN, PHI could be fits and a few others you'd need to get creative with
Gortat: I'd call DAL, GS, HOU, POR, SA

You clearly have never seen Nicholson play, and you clearly have never seen Sato play either. I am not saying he is as good as manu but that's the kind of player he is, a 2 guard with point gurad skills, who can shoot and defend 3 positions. Sato will be our 6th man off the bench, and Nicholson will do well as a bench 4 he has some tools and I really like him.

[verbal8]

Westbrook for Wall. Who says no?

Westbrook is such a better player than Wall there really is no comparison in my mind. Effort, finishing ability, desire, rebounding, free throw shooting attempts, I could go on. The only issue is 1-year left of Westbrook's deal. If Westbrook would give a hint of a commitment I pull the trade and never look back.

This is kind of funny....

Westbrook is certainly better than Wall, much much better. Anyone would make that trade just based on the players. But if Westbrook won't consider an extension w/ OKC, why ever would he consider one here?

If the Wizards had been able to land Horford, I think they could have put together a pretty good argument for having a strong supporting cast. It would be interesting as an extend-and-trade deal, but it doesn't seem to have much advantage to Westbrook.

[Jay81]

i keep hearing Gortat for Gay. Gay is like ernie's love affair with Jeff Green

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Gortat for Gay would balance the roster and would at least make his previous offseason signings understandable, but thats a horrible trade

[LyricalRico]

i keep hearing Gortat for Gay. Gay is like ernie's love affair with Jeff Green

Gortat for Gay would balance the roster and would at least make his previous offseason signings understandable, but thats a horrible trade

Yeah, I was working the checker this morning and that was the closest thing to decent. Actually, in a vacuum, it's something I could live with. The problem for us is that it marginalizes Porter, although you can flip that to say it means better depth since it moves a starting quality player to the bench. Gay also has one less year on his contract.

The bigger problem is for the Kings because they don't need yet another center (although you never know what they might do). So a third team has to be involved, probably somebody that can give the Kings a PG. What about this:

Wizards trade: Gortat
Wizards receive: Rudy Gay

Kings trade: Rudy Gay
Kings receive: MCW and Henson

Bucks trade: MCW and Henson
Bucks receive: Gortat

Might need tweaking, but you get the idea. We balance the roster, the Kings upgrade at PF and PG, Milwaukee can bench Monroe and give the keys to Delly.

Mahnimi/Smith/Gooden
Morris/Nicholson
Gay/Porter
Beal/Sato/Oubre
Wall/Burke

Not saying I'd do it, just trying to figure out how it might be possible.

[FAH1223]

Gortat for Gay is terrible.

Gortat is more productive.