The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4)

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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1221 » by PaulieWal » Tue Jul 5, 2016 4:37 am

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Not sure how anyone beats this team unless Curry or KD are injured during the PS....(I am not hoping for injuries but if they are all health I expect them to win a title easily).

He's weak. He's beatable.

My question is who takes the blame when they lose.


I am definitely gonna be rooting against GSW in the PS no matter what but I just don't see how this team loses. And even if they do lose the media will leave them alone. How much blame did they get, if any for losing the Finals are being up 3-1? It is what it is. They receive favorable national media coverage and will continue to do so.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1222 » by Dupp » Tue Jul 5, 2016 4:40 am

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PaulieWal wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Just.
Beat.
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Not sure how anyone beats this team unless Curry or KD are injured during the PS....(I am not hoping for injuries but if they are all health I expect them to win a title easily).

He's weak. He's beatable.

My question is who takes the blame when they lose.



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Post#1223 » by PaulieWal » Tue Jul 5, 2016 4:41 am

BTW the Cavs are letting Delly walk right? So they are getting weaker and GSW added KD.

I know Delly wasn't useful in the Finals but he's needed to ease the load off Kyrie/Bron during the RS.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1224 » by toodles23 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 4:43 am

It really is hard to imagine how this team could lose if they're healthy. It's going to be a really boring several years for the NBA - and spare me the talk of "but it's going to be beautiful basketball!". Watching a team win every game they take seriously without a challenge is not fun or interesting in any way. It's kind of like the 2012 Olympics - sure, it was cool to see the US dominate the rest of the world, but really, was it that fun, intense or competitive?

Even the greatest teams in NBA history were all challenged at some point - the '86 Celts were taken to 6 by the Rockets and all of the games in Houston were competitive, the '87 Lakers were taken to 6 by the Celtics with one of their wins coming because of a missed open 20 footer by Bird, the '96 Bulls were in a weak period for the league but were still taken to 6 by the Sonics (and the series could have been even more competitive if Karl had put Payton on Jordan from the start), the '72 Lakers were taken to 6 by the Bucks with two of their wins coming by 3 points or less... this on the other hand? It's hard to imagine how any team could even pretend to challenge the Warriors. Maybe Pop can work miracles or something, but that's grasping at straws.

It's also a shame that the rest of Lebron's career, and the primes of guys like Westbrook, Harden, CP3, etc. are going to be wasted in a non competitive league. Luckily for Cavs fans, they snuck a ring in before the NBA got shut down for 4-5 years.

I really hope I'm wrong about all of this and the Warriors end up having problems, but I don't see it at this point.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1225 » by bondom34 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 4:45 am

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Not sure how anyone beats this team unless Curry or KD are injured during the PS....(I am not hoping for injuries but if they are all health I expect them to win a title easily).

He's weak. He's beatable.

My question is who takes the blame when they lose.


I am definitely gonna be rooting against GSW in the PS no matter what but I just don't see how this team loses. And even if they do lose the media will leave them alone. How much blame did they get, if any for losing the Finals are being up 3-1? It is what it is. They receive favorable national media coverage and will continue to do so.

Not gonna lie, my interest is down next year. No LP for me, I'll watch OKC when I can, the Sixers are my local team so they're on Comcast. But meh on the rest. I'll watch more football.

Expect a lockout again.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1226 » by Statlanta » Tue Jul 5, 2016 4:54 am

It's like the the coach is a Pop disciple so they won't just get by on their talent, they have continuity in the core, a former All-Star off their bench, 4 All-Stars/3 All-NBA/2 former MVPs, and for a superteam acutally fit together on offense. If KD can find the defense he had this post season and if they can stay healthy this is the NBA's next talked about dynasty, unless LeBron does the unexpected as per usual.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1227 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:10 am

Expecting LeBron to be able to will his way to victory against this new GS team is too much. The entire way that the Cavs and the rest of the league learned to defend the Warriors is now blown up because you can't hide or switch players onto Durant like you could Barnes (or even Green as Durant is going to be setting screens for Curry).
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1228 » by PaulieWal » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:16 am

My finals thoughts on this for the night.....IMO the Warriors best chance for a title will be in year 1. After next year you have to max out Curry, Iggy will be a free agent again and older, you never know what's going to happen. But this year as long as everyone is healthy they should be able to own the league.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1229 » by LikeABosh » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:18 am

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This is the thing. KD joined a super team, LeBron is the super team.


Yeah, totally. People called this Cavs team a superteam before they won a title and if that's true, then Lebron could probably form a superteam with most teams. 57 wins, 2 other all stars, and a finals berth if those are the qualifications. I think you could manage that with any eastern team if the front office makes some win now moves
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1230 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:25 am

PaulieWal wrote:My finals thoughts on this for the night.....IMO the Warriors best chance for a title will be in year 1. After next year you have to max out Curry, Iggy will be a free agent again and older, you never know what's going to happen. But this year as long as everyone is healthy they should be able to own the league.

This team would still easily be a contender without Iggy. There will be plenty of ringchasers to fill out their bench with over the years and unless Durant sees this as a temporary arrangement I don't see much danger of their pretty young core breaking up (Lacob will pay the tax). Speaking as if they are a 1 year threat is way underselling what this team is.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1231 » by PaulieWal » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:29 am

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PaulieWal wrote:My finals thoughts on this for the night.....IMO the Warriors best chance for a title will be in year 1. After next year you have to max out Curry, Iggy will be a free agent again and older, you never know what's going to happen. But this year as long as everyone is healthy they should be able to own the league.

This team would still easily be a contender without Iggy. There will be plenty of ringchasers to fill out their bench with over the years and unless Durant sees this as a temporary arrangement I don't see much danger of their pretty young core breaking up (Lacob will pay the tax). Speaking as if they are a 1 year threat is way underselling what this team is.


I didn't mean that they are just a 1 year threat :). Of course if they all stick together they are going to be a contender as long as they are all in their primes. My point was and perhaps I should have been clearer, year 1 they have better chances of winning than in year 2 for now. You will be paying the full max to Curry and KD next year. Iggy will be older and might want more money. You never know....even then they will far and away be the best team in the league. Only thing is they might have more holes defensively.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1232 » by rich316 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:42 am

toodles23 wrote:It really is hard to imagine how this team could lose if they're healthy. It's going to be a really boring several years for the NBA - and spare me the talk of "but it's going to be beautiful basketball!". Watching a team win every game they take seriously without a challenge is not fun or interesting in any way. It's kind of like the 2012 Olympics - sure, it was cool to see the US dominate the rest of the world, but really, was it that fun, intense or competitive?

Even the greatest teams in NBA history were all challenged at some point - the '86 Celts were taken to 6 by the Rockets and all of the games in Houston were competitive, the '87 Lakers were taken to 6 by the Celtics with one of their wins coming because of a missed open 20 footer by Bird, the '96 Bulls were in a weak period for the league but were still taken to 6 by the Sonics (and the series could have been even more competitive if Karl had put Payton on Jordan from the start), the '72 Lakers were taken to 6 by the Bucks with two of their wins coming by 3 points or less... this on the other hand? It's hard to imagine how any team could even pretend to challenge the Warriors. Maybe Pop can work miracles or something, but that's grasping at straws.

It's also a shame that the rest of Lebron's career, and the primes of guys like Westbrook, Harden, CP3, etc. are going to be wasted in a non competitive league. Luckily for Cavs fans, they snuck a ring in before the NBA got shut down for 4-5 years.

I really hope I'm wrong about all of this and the Warriors end up having problems, but I don't see it at this point.


Not so fast, I say. Obviously the Dubs will be awesome. They were awesome this year, and they didn't win it all. As of now, they've subtracted Bogut, Barnes, and Festus. Those 3 guys were absolutely key to their defensive identity. Zaza is fine, but a severe downgrade from their former big man rotation. Getting KD means they will double down on their offensive philosophy, and it will almost certainly cost them on defense. I've thought all along that KD could be a mixed bag for them - yes, explosive shooters have been their calling card, but we've seen that ANY shooter can go cold. Their other 2 keys have been their defense and depth, and that has taken a big hit. I'm sorry, but at this point I've seen too many 'superteams' that didn't roll through the league as expected. Real basketball isn't 2K.

I'm actually super excited that this happened, but mostly because of the effect it could have on the rest of the league. Westbrook now becomes the most interesting player in the NBA, and the run-away MVP favorite. The Cavs now have to be seriously looking at dealing Love, which I was hoping for anyway. The ripple effects are going to br insane.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1233 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:44 am

Durant is an upgrade from Barnes defensively and on the boards. Actually he's an upgrade in pretty much every way imaginable.

And Zaza's not really that much of a downgrade. Their center rotation was getting run off the court anytime someone other than Green was playing the 5 during the postseason, they already needed a change there as it was their roster's biggest flaw. Bogut's not what he was and won't stay healthy and Ezeli is worse than Zaza.

And I'm not really buying the Warriors lack of depth. They still have 2 of the best bench players in the league and teams don't need 10 guys in a playoff rotation.
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Post#1234 » by Dupp » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:49 am

PaulieWal wrote:BTW the Cavs are letting Delly walk right? So they are getting weaker and GSW added KD.

I know Delly wasn't useful in the Finals but he's needed to ease the load off Kyrie/Bron during the RS.




Letting him walk on a great contract it's insane.
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Post#1235 » by rich316 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:56 am

Basileus777 wrote:Durant is an upgrade from Barnes defensively and on the boards. Actually he's an upgrade in pretty much every way imaginable.

And Zaza's not really that much of a downgrade. Their center rotation was getting run off the court anytime someone other than Green was playing the 5 during the postseason, they already needed to change their center rotation. Bogut's not what he was and won't stay healthy and Ezeli is worse than Zaza.

And I'm not really buying the Warriors lack of depth. They still have 2 of the best bench players in the league and teams don't need 10 guys in a playoff rotation.


Sure, it's possible that Durant could become an every-night defensive presence and replace Barnes's role in evey way. But would he want to, and does he know how? Last year's Dubs were arguably the GOAT regular season team. It's not a given that next year they will be even better. Their offense was so stupidly good that they won 73 games! What I'm saying is basically a chemistry argument - players aren't just plug-and-play. We have seen so many times now that ideal team construction is a funny thing - what seems like a lock for greatness on paper actually can be tough to figure out.
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Post#1236 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:59 am

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Basileus777 wrote:Durant is an upgrade from Barnes defensively and on the boards. Actually he's an upgrade in pretty much every way imaginable.

And Zaza's not really that much of a downgrade. Their center rotation was getting run off the court anytime someone other than Green was playing the 5 during the postseason, they already needed to change their center rotation. Bogut's not what he was and won't stay healthy and Ezeli is worse than Zaza.

And I'm not really buying the Warriors lack of depth. They still have 2 of the best bench players in the league and teams don't need 10 guys in a playoff rotation.


Sure, it's possible that Durant could become an every-night defensive presence and replace Barnes's role in evey way. But would he want to, and does he know how? Last year's Dubs were arguably the GOAT regular season team. It's not a given that next year they will be even better. Their offense was so stupidly good that they won 73 games! What I'm saying is basically a chemistry argument - players aren't just plug-and-play. We have seen so many times now that ideal team construction is a funny thing - what seems like a lock for greatness on paper actually can be tough to figure out.


Most people don't think the Warriors will even attempt to win as many games as last year. But come the playoffs they will be a lot more dangerous than the 2015-2016 Warriors. And Durant could play defense like he did in OKC and still be a better defender than Barnes who wasn't anything special in that regard. The rebounding improvement alone will be significant.
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Post#1237 » by rich316 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 6:03 am

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Basileus777 wrote:Durant is an upgrade from Barnes defensively and on the boards. Actually he's an upgrade in pretty much every way imaginable.

And Zaza's not really that much of a downgrade. Their center rotation was getting run off the court anytime someone other than Green was playing the 5 during the postseason, they already needed to change their center rotation. Bogut's not what he was and won't stay healthy and Ezeli is worse than Zaza.

And I'm not really buying the Warriors lack of depth. They still have 2 of the best bench players in the league and teams don't need 10 guys in a playoff rotation.


Sure, it's possible that Durant could become an every-night defensive presence and replace Barnes's role in evey way. But would he want to, and does he know how? Last year's Dubs were arguably the GOAT regular season team. It's not a given that next year they will be even better. Their offense was so stupidly good that they won 73 games! What I'm saying is basically a chemistry argument - players aren't just plug-and-play. We have seen so many times now that ideal team construction is a funny thing - what seems like a lock for greatness on paper actually can be tough to figure out.


Most people don't think the Warriors will even attempt to win as many games as last year. But come the playoffs they will be a lot more dangerous than the 2015-2016 Warriors. And Durant could play defense like he did in OKC and still be a better defender than Barnes who wasn't anything special in that regard. The rebounding improvement alone will be significant.


Of course, it would be lunacy not to fear this team. But they have to play the games. Nothing is written.
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Post#1238 » by Dupp » Tue Jul 5, 2016 9:12 am

Probably been posted but i just saw a stat that lebron scored or assisted on 50% of the cavs points throughout the whole finals. Its not even remotely surprising but still so so impressive.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1239 » by Mylie10 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 9:39 am

Basileus777 wrote:Expecting LeBron to be able to will his way to victory against this new GS team is too much. The entire way that the Cavs and the rest of the league learned to defend the Warriors is now blown up because you can't hide or switch players onto Durant like you could Barnes (or even Green as Durant is going to be setting screens for Curry).


I'll tell you what though, Kyrie took a huge step in being that Robin in the Finals. He literally shocked me with his ability to finish iin the last three games. He finished with contact over and over and from all angles. It was amazing, and I totally gained a new respect for him.

So if Cleveland can add a big upgrade on JR Smith, bet yet keep JR as well, then they will still be formidable. For instance a year or two of Wade on that team would be huge.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 4) 

Post#1240 » by BasketballFan7 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:44 pm

Goodness gracious people quit being so negative. A 57 win team just beat a 73 win team (record-setting) in the NBA Finals when they were down 3-1 (never been done). Stuff happens. It is a sport. Anything can - and will - happen. The Warriors are not going to run off 5 straight championships. Plus... they have the children, not the father, and LeBron James still resides in Cleveland.
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