KD to GS - Pt III

[MrBigShot]

Still can't believe Durant chose the Dubs over remaining with OKC and recruiting Horford. They would've been a better team than last year undoubtedly.

[nfmos]

I think you're clearly missing the point. It's not a matter of whether I, my team, or anyone else would celebrate after a 3. The Warriors are overly arrogant these days and feeling themselves a little too much. Try not to put your home glasses on. Your team is disgustingly arrogant and rather entitled. My statement had nothing to about jealously. It was an honest statement about their accomplishments that most fans of the NBA probably aren't willing to admit. I hated the Detroit Pistons and Bill Laimbeer particularly. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want him on my team in the '80's when I need someone to do the dirty work. I respect the Warriors talent, not their clown show in the media and on the court.

There's something to be said about a team that can dominate humbly.

Its so much easier to blame someone else for being "homers" than to actually find specific instances of disrespect or being overly arrogant. That bias cuts both ways.

You can't tell me Steph Curry doesn't do stuff on the court that would rub most people wrong, especially with his cute little dances. And you don't think Draymond Green's interview after their Championship wasn't disrespectful? If no, then I don't think we'll ever come to an agreement because we would never see eye-to-eye on the subject.

Think Klay Thompson proclaiming his Warriors would be the Showtime Lakers wasn't an arrogant statement? They've won exactly 1 championship, that's it. I would be more willing to entertain his proclamation if they were on like championship #3 or more, but they're not.

Look, the Warriors are really good and have probably one of the best shooting backcourts I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. At the end of the day, your team is arrogant and overly confident. If you don't see it, there are plenty of people that do.


P.S. is there a way to multi-quote replies on here? Kind of headache to bounce around these threads to reply. Especially if you're trying to respond to more than one.

Also, I'll respond back to your reply tomorrow. I got to get up at 5:30 and Im sure it's 1:30 am where you are, too.

See, here is how people manufacture villains I guess. First off, Curry doesnt dance any more than players like Westbrook, Lebron, or Shaq or many other players today. And yes Draymonds interview was disrespectful, he was playing around but Im sure the Warriors cringed when they heard him say that. But the context was that he was drunk and that was an behind the scenes interview with a local reporter as the players arrived backstage from the parade route, I was there and they were showing the interviews on a big screen in front of hundreds of thousands of people.

And Klays comment? Surely you completely missed that was a joke and dig at his father who was part of the Showtime Lakers. You completely missed the fact that the rest of the press corps laughed because they got the joke.

And honestly, I think us being put on a pedestal by the media based on our record is the main reason so many people think that is that it is easier to paint our team as the villain instead of realizing that we have some high character low key guys here, besides Draymond, but even he is of high character. There is the backlash about us being too good, and "destroying" parity, so people try to paint our guys as jerks, even though there is very little evidence to that. Having being a fan through all the crappy years, when everyone loved us because we were entertaining but not threatening, i guess I would much rather be hated but feared, than loved and being an afterthought.

[AIfan3]

You can't tell me Steph Curry doesn't do stuff on the court that would rub most people wrong, especially with his cute little dances. And you don't think Draymond Green's interview after their Championship wasn't disrespectful? If no, then I don't think we'll ever come to an agreement because we would never see eye-to-eye on the subject.

Think Klay Thompson proclaiming his Warriors would be the Showtime Lakers wasn't an arrogant statement? They've won exactly 1 championship, that's it. I would be more willing to entertain his proclamation if they were on like championship #3 or more, but they're not.

Look, the Warriors are really good and have probably one of the best shooting backcourts I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. At the end of the day, your team is arrogant and overly confident. If you don't see it, there are plenty of people that do.


P.S. is there a way to multi-quote replies on here? Kind of headache to bounce around these threads to reply. Especially if you're trying to respond to more than one.

Also, I'll respond back to your reply tomorrow. I got to get up at 5:30 and Im sure it's 1:30 am where you are, too.

Curry is actually quite tame imo. He does celebrate every now and again (which NBA player doesn't?), but Curry barely ever showboats. You're just having selective memory here. Draymond on the other hand...

Not selective memory, just calling like I see it. Curry may be tame in relative terms to your entire team, but he's no angel nor the worst of the bunch either. I'll put it this way, the Warriors are no Spurs when it comes to class. Not suggesting that SA is perfect, but in general, when you think true professionals, San Antonio tops the list.

Anyway, I'll hit you guys up tomorrow. I should have never even logged on this late to begin with lol.

Again this is selective memory and/or media fatigue. SAS to me was one of the more annoying organizations. They have toned it down a lot in the past couple of years. But watching Duncan whine or cry about EVERY SINGLE CALL (he was known for this), watching Manu and Tony flop on every play, or watching Bruce Bowen karate kick the guy he's guarding (if he wasn't trying to intentionally injure them with a foot under them while shooting), it's funny to even bring up the Spurs as comparisons. They had some straight bush league tendencies... Narratives change.

People hating the Warriors now is mostly due to media fatigue, despite the fact that they still aren't getting as much coverage as the Heat did when LBJ joined them in 2010. The media got to sell the fans adversity and story lines to keep the revenue flowing, and now it's the Warriors turn in the spot light. Yes it becomes unbearable at time. But that comes with territory. The NBA is in the business of entertainment. The Warriors provide that with all the story lines.

[floppymoose]

Meh, let them hate and spew nonsense. So many karma points for GS!

[ils411]

Eh, KD = wuss confirmed, much like how Lebron = wuss also.
Though Lebron's wussness is still a level higher than KD's.
But can't blame either for wanting rings. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a team that got Pippen, grant, kucock (spelling?), rodman etc or got paired with a Shaq or Pau without conniving or jumping ship to do so.

people crying about how the league will be boring or predictable but the bulls and their double threepeat and the lakers and their threepeat and back2back wasn't? come now brown cow, don't be hypocrites. heck, if Jordan didn't retire after the first threepeat, what are the odds that the bulls went 8 for 8? I'm sure the odds would be very very high and that would be, as per definition being thrown around, boring and predictable.

[nfmos]

This doesn't increase my dislike of Warriors fans, but it certainly makes me think of Durant as a brat and in doing so, I'd certainly like to see him be less successful as a result. For me, I don't hate specifically the Warriors, it's now kind of by association. But you guys should get used to it, call it jealousy, call it hatin', call it whatever you like, we still reserve the right to be bitter about it. It's great for you guys and absolutely awful for the NBA as a league. Granted this season's cap hike is a once in a generation thing, it still concerns me that players have this much flexibility in their decisions while the franchises get absolutely no compensation and parity amongst the league gets skewed.

I remember when I first started watching the NBA following a team because of a guy who dedicated his entire 18 season career to one franchise because he wanted to win a title for the franchise that drafted him, meanwhile these days fans switch teams more than the players themselves. It's just pathetic if you ask me, absolutely no loyalty and it's a damn shame.

Yeah Im fine with that, I was cheering for Dallas to be the Heat that first year in the Finals because I didn't like how they were promising multiple titles during that introduction, and everyone likes to see the best most talented team get toppled by an hustling, less talented, underdog, I get that.

But I just don't agree that people are acting like, besides Lacob, we have this crew of arrogant, egotistic, disrespectful players. I have cheered for players like Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes, Sprewell, etc, so I know how sometimes we swallow our moral compass to cheer for clearly a-hole players who you don't really respect. And I know that besides being a great team, I am more proud to cheer for this collection of players because of their selflessness and character. We are less selfish on the court than anyone in the league, and quicker to compliment others off the court, from Myers, to Kerr, down to the players. Even Lacob, as cocky as he can be, never takes all the credit and credits the collaborative effort of the management group and treats ALL the employees like family. Heck, part of the biggest reasons Durant chose us was because he bonded with Iggy and Curry during chapel sessions back in 2010 for that World Championship team. Im not even religious, but I would rather have that than our players taking Durant to stripclubs on his recruiting trip like Harden probably would haha.

We are getting used to the hate, and it motivates our players even more, so its not that horrible of a thing. But I just wish people would stop trying to justify it in disingenuous ways.

Oh absolutely, it's a great thing for you guys and you should definitely enjoy it. Amazing job done by the front office and coaching staff. Going through the Tinsley/Jax/Artest teams I can definitely relate to knuckleheads that are hard to support at times, and perhaps that's why Durant's decision is all that much more devastating. Really makes you worry about your own players perhaps preparing for their own exit. Building these super teams just entices other superstars to find the best chance to win and if that means leaving their current teams behind it's a very scary thing for the entire league as a whole.

I agree with that, I was definitely worried when the Heatles joined because I didn't know what lay in store for us. But I think a lesson from this is about building a top to bottom organization where people like to work with each other, and trust each other. When our owner took over, he really wanted to copy the Spurs organization because they had such a respectful, professional organization where players would blend into the system instead of expecting it the other way around. One of the main strategies Myers and the management staff is mainly two fold, find players that are interchangeable and adaptable on defense and offense, and find players of high character. You get a bunch of people like that working together, and weed out the negative ones like Mark Jackson, and you get a team and organization what just loves coming to work every day. And they love not just playing with each other, they love hanging out together too. Even Varejao noticed that immediately about our team. The funny thing is that one of the things that had made us most successful and competitive, was stressing for the guys to have fun and remind themselves it is just a game.

I think that sort of reputation gets around the league very quickly.

[nfmos]

Eh, KD = wuss confirmed, much like how Lebron = wuss also.
Though Lebron's wussness is still a level higher than KD's.
But can't blame either for wanting rings. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a team that got Pippen, grant, kucock (spelling?), rodman etc or got paired with a Shaq or Pau without conniving or jumping ship to do so.

people crying about how the league will be boring or predictable but the bulls and their double threepeat and the lakers and their threepeat and back2back wasn't? come now brown cow, don't be hypocrites. heck, if Jordan didn't retire after the first threepeat, what are the odds that the bulls went 8 for 8? I'm sure the odds would be very very high and that would be, as per definition being thrown around, boring and predictable.

Exactly. Durant has been in the league 10 years, he has earned the right to go ring chasing.

Also, I remember going to a game where Jordan and the Bulls got up like 20-0 on our dubs within the first few minutes. And you know what, it was pretty damn awesome and awe inspiring to watch, regardless of my allegiances.

[MrBigShot]

The legitimate things to hate are Draymond's dirty/reckless play style and Joe Lacob, who makes Michael Jordan look like a humble guy. Curry is expressive with his celebrations every now and then but a lot of players do that anyway, and even though Draymond Green is a dirty player he's got the heart of a champion and showed a lot of class in congratulating everybody on the Cavs after they won.

Really, if you put their owner aside I think they are a very likable group of players for the most part. Curry's one of the few "humble" superstars that is legitimately humble, Livingston/Iggy are stand up guys. I think I have a pretty good idea as to why they receive so much hate but I'd rather not get into that in this thread.

[AIfan3]

Eh, KD = wuss confirmed, much like how Lebron = wuss also.
Though Lebron's wussness is still a level higher than KD's.
But can't blame either for wanting rings. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a team that got Pippen, grant, kucock (spelling?), rodman etc or got paired with a Shaq or Pau without conniving or jumping ship to do so.

people crying about how the league will be boring or predictable but the bulls and their double threepeat and the lakers and their threepeat and back2back wasn't? come now brown cow, don't be hypocrites. heck, if Jordan didn't retire after the first threepeat, what are the odds that the bulls went 8 for 8? I'm sure the odds would be very very high and that would be, as per definition being thrown around, boring and predictable.

Nah LBJ had a legit reason to leave IMO. I'm still confused as to why KD did it ? Was it due to the uncertainty about Westbrook ? If so, he could've signed 1+1 deal the Thunder and opted out the same time as Westbrook. Guy was literally 5 minutes or two more made shots away from beating the Warriors and advancing to the finals. He was right there. KD better deliver is all I'm saying. He has no excuses this upcoming season..

[AIfan3]

Eh, KD = wuss confirmed, much like how Lebron = wuss also.
Though Lebron's wussness is still a level higher than KD's.
But can't blame either for wanting rings. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a team that got Pippen, grant, kucock (spelling?), rodman etc or got paired with a Shaq or Pau without conniving or jumping ship to do so.

people crying about how the league will be boring or predictable but the bulls and their double threepeat and the lakers and their threepeat and back2back wasn't? come now brown cow, don't be hypocrites. heck, if Jordan didn't retire after the first threepeat, what are the odds that the bulls went 8 for 8? I'm sure the odds would be very very high and that would be, as per definition being thrown around, boring and predictable.

Exactly. Durant has been in the league 10 years, he has earned the right to go ring chasing.

Also, I remember going to a game where Jordan and the Bulls got up like 20-0 on our dubs within the first few minutes. And you know what, it was pretty damn awesome and awe inspiring to watch, regardless of my allegiances.

He could've gone ring chasing on the team he was previously on.. That's the funny part. It's not like the Warriors were so far ahead that this was his only feasible route to a championship. He was two or three made shots away from competing for one.

I'm willing to bet that KD's handlers sold him on the Warriors, as he'd get more exposure and endorsements playing next to Curry. This is the only rationale I can think of. Ring chasing at 28 when he was that close to beating the team he's joining just doesn't make sense to me..

[aIvin adams]

Still shocked by this move

Warriors losing Bogut AND ezeli.

Does the move to sign KD make them better? We'll see!

[bwgood77]

Eh, KD = wuss confirmed, much like how Lebron = wuss also.
Though Lebron's wussness is still a level higher than KD's.
But can't blame either for wanting rings. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a team that got Pippen, grant, kucock (spelling?), rodman etc or got paired with a Shaq or Pau without conniving or jumping ship to do so.

people crying about how the league will be boring or predictable but the bulls and their double threepeat and the lakers and their threepeat and back2back wasn't? come now brown cow, don't be hypocrites. heck, if Jordan didn't retire after the first threepeat, what are the odds that the bulls went 8 for 8? I'm sure the odds would be very very high and that would be, as per definition being thrown around, boring and predictable.

Exactly. Durant has been in the league 10 years, he has earned the right to go ring chasing.

Also, I remember going to a game where Jordan and the Bulls got up like 20-0 on our dubs within the first few minutes. And you know what, it was pretty damn awesome and awe inspiring to watch, regardless of my allegiances.

Earn the right...that's like saying a guy who has made a lot of money has earned the right to go to leave his 10 year wife and kids to get a young trophy wife. Sure you're happy if you're a friend of the wife, but you've lost most everyone's respect immediately and devasted those you've invested so much time in.

[aIvin adams]

Last year's OKC-GSW series was one of the greatest playoff series I've ever seen.

Do you think we will get a rematch this season?

My guess: no

[DreDay]

Eh, KD = wuss confirmed, much like how Lebron = wuss also.
Though Lebron's wussness is still a level higher than KD's.
But can't blame either for wanting rings. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a team that got Pippen, grant, kucock (spelling?), rodman etc or got paired with a Shaq or Pau without conniving or jumping ship to do so.

people crying about how the league will be boring or predictable but the bulls and their double threepeat and the lakers and their threepeat and back2back wasn't? come now brown cow, don't be hypocrites. heck, if Jordan didn't retire after the first threepeat, what are the odds that the bulls went 8 for 8? I'm sure the odds would be very very high and that would be, as per definition being thrown around, boring and predictable.

Exactly. Durant has been in the league 10 years, he has earned the right to go ring chasing.

Also, I remember going to a game where Jordan and the Bulls got up like 20-0 on our dubs within the first few minutes. And you know what, it was pretty damn awesome and awe inspiring to watch, regardless of my allegiances.

Earn the right...that's like saying a guy who has made a lot of money has earned the right to go to leave his 10 year wife and kids to get a young trophy wife. Sure you're happy if you're a friend of the wife, but you've lost most everyone's respect immediately and devasted those you've invested so much time in.

There's no similarities between an NBA players relationship to a team and a husband/wife.

[Thugger HBC]

Eh, KD = wuss confirmed, much like how Lebron = wuss also.
Though Lebron's wussness is still a level higher than KD's.
But can't blame either for wanting rings. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a team that got Pippen, grant, kucock (spelling?), rodman etc or got paired with a Shaq or Pau without conniving or jumping ship to do so.

people crying about how the league will be boring or predictable but the bulls and their double threepeat and the lakers and their threepeat and back2back wasn't? come now brown cow, don't be hypocrites. heck, if Jordan didn't retire after the first threepeat, what are the odds that the bulls went 8 for 8? I'm sure the odds would be very very high and that would be, as per definition being thrown around, boring and predictable.

Exactly. Durant has been in the league 10 years, he has earned the right to go ring chasing.

Also, I remember going to a game where Jordan and the Bulls got up like 20-0 on our dubs within the first few minutes. And you know what, it was pretty damn awesome and awe inspiring to watch, regardless of my allegiances.

Earn the right...that's like saying a guy who has made a lot of money has earned the right to go to leave his 10 year wife and kids to get a young trophy wife. Sure you're happy if you're a friend of the wife, but you've lost most everyone's respect immediately and devasted those you've invested so much time in.

pardon my butting in but marriage is supposed to be til death, this is nowhere near the same...it's merely a business, a job.

KD fulfilled his obligation and he had a right to leave as a free agent if he wanted to. There's no loyalty in sports, KD doesn't owe anyone but his own happiness and success.

[bwgood77]

Exactly. Durant has been in the league 10 years, he has earned the right to go ring chasing.

Also, I remember going to a game where Jordan and the Bulls got up like 20-0 on our dubs within the first few minutes. And you know what, it was pretty damn awesome and awe inspiring to watch, regardless of my allegiances.

Earn the right...that's like saying a guy who has made a lot of money has earned the right to go to leave his 10 year wife and kids to get a young trophy wife. Sure you're happy if you're a friend of the wife, but you've lost most everyone's respect immediately and devasted those you've invested so much time in.

There's no similarities between an NBA players relationship to a team and a husband/wife.

The emotions don't run nearly as deep, but yes, that is the type of decision it is.

[Bolivar]

Last year's OKC-GSW series was one of the greatest playoff series I've ever seen.

Do you think we will get a rematch this season?

My guess: no

Depends what you mean by "rematch", could be a first round match up.

[nfmos]

The legitimate things to hate are Draymond's dirty/reckless play style and Joe Lacob, who makes Michael Jordan look like a humble guy. Curry is expressive with his celebrations every now and then but a lot of players do that anyway, and even though Draymond Green is a dirty player he's got the heart of a champion and showed a lot of class in congratulating everybody on the Cavs after they won.

Really, if you put their owner aside I think they are a very likable group of players for the most part. Curry's one of the few "humble" superstars that is legitimately humble, Livingston/Iggy are stand up guys. I think I have a pretty good idea as to why they receive so much hate but I'd rather not get into that in this thread.

Ah Im interested in what your opinion is on that.

As far as Lacob, he's an interesting one. He's not humble obviously, but we almost had Larry Ellison who would have made him look like a damn monk! haha

And by most all accounts, he is actually a really good guy. I have personally emailed him twice, once after the Monta booing and once before game 6 last year of the finals. He responded personally and had some really nice things to say. He also treats his employees well, chartering a plane and flying all of the full time employees out last year to Cleveland to watch the finals. And part of the reason he fired Jackson was because Jackson didnt respect employees throughout the organization enough. So even though he puts his foot in his mouth sometimes, I am ok with him being a outspoken promoter since our owner before was nowhere to be found, and I am ok with it because by all accounts he respects his employees and treats them good.

[bwgood77]

pardon my butting in but marriage is supposed to be til death, this is nowhere near the same...it's merely a business, a job.

KD fulfilled his obligation and he had a right to leave as a free agent if he wanted to. There's no loyalty in sports, KD doesn't owe anyone but his own happiness and success.

Sure, it's certainly about his own happiness. I'm guessing it will be emptier than he thought.

[DreDay]

Earn the right...that's like saying a guy who has made a lot of money has earned the right to go to leave his 10 year wife and kids to get a young trophy wife. Sure you're happy if you're a friend of the wife, but you've lost most everyone's respect immediately and devasted those you've invested so much time in.

There's no similarities between an NBA players relationship to a team and a husband/wife.

The emotions don't run nearly as deep, but yes, that is the type of decision it is.

Not at all. A marriage through history has been regarded as a lifetime partnership between man and wife. An NBA player has no such obligation to his team as they are in an employer/employee relationship for a set amount of years. If so, everyone's relationship with their employer would pretty much be a marriage, and that's obviously not the case.

And if you're really insistent on the marriage analogy, do you have the same emotions when teams do the same thing?