Jamal Crawford Re-Signs for 3 Years, $42 Million

[mattd13]

injury free is key. the best team have to be healthy at the right time to advance.

[TinmanZBoy]

It's hard to really know what to say about this. Aren't we going to have to use the MLE on Johnson and also be hard capped now?

We're going to be paying Jamal and Rivers about $27 million next season when we have our starting PG, SG and PF as free agents ready for some big raises. Doc and his front office seem to have no creativity, they are extremely basic. We can't keep this going. If you sign a 36 year old AND Austin to this much, we have to trade one of the highest paid guys for some lower paid players.

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The story is that the players went and talked to the management about this. This situation was precipitated by every off-season where Doc did not make a Jamal trade and it ended up in this.

i think everything starts with Austin? Basically Jamal would not accept a contract lower Austin Rivers... since Austin joined the Clippers, basically Doc would not get bench players better than Austin although there were plenty...
I am wondering what was Austin real market? Were there teams offering Austin more money than Clippers?

[QRich3]

I am wondering what was Austin real market? Were there teams offering Austin more money than Clippers?

He says he met with the Knicks and spoke with the Blazers and the Rockets, and the money they offered was pretty much the same as the Clippers.

[og15]

Of course the issue is that he would have to say that, so we don't truly know. It's done though, and I'm not that mad because his cap hold was low and didn't really affect our ability to make other realistic signings.

Irrespective of Austin, if we signed Jamal we automatically lost the ability to make any other cap space signings. I believe we had a total of about $14-15 million space without Jamal and Austin's cap holds. Austin's hold was $4.4 million, giving us about $10 million with his hold.

Jamal's cap hold had basically already put us over the cap. So any signing of Jamal to his cap hold amount of greater killed cap space and meant no Cole for example.

[madmaxmedia]

I imagine their signings were for relatively close to market value. The problem is we just got worse and more expensive at the same time after everything has been said and done.

At this point, I think I'd rather have taken a step back and let a couple of guys go if it would have meant having some cap room next season. (I'm not sure it would have though.) I assume with these re-signings we will be capped out next year even after the cap goes up again.

Instead, we're going to trot out the same 2nd unit that is iso-heavy such that whatever newcomers we have brought in for draft picks, don't fit it and are then shipped out (with more draft picks.)

Who is going to fill the 'void' of Jeff Green in the starting lineup next year?

[nickhx2]

I imagine their signings were for relatively close to market value. The problem is we just got worse and more expensive at the same time after everything has been said and done.

At this point, I think I'd rather have taken a step back and let a couple of guys go if it would have meant having some cap room next season. (I'm not sure it would have though.) I assume with these re-signings we will be capped out next year even after the cap goes up again.

Instead, we're going to trot out the same 2nd unit that is iso-heavy such that whatever newcomers we have brought in for draft picks, don't fit it and are then shipped out (with more draft picks.)

Who is going to fill the 'void' of Jeff Green in the starting lineup next year?

"how come our offense looks so bad? and how come our defense and rebounding is so awful?" - doc asks, as he's playing a decrepit paul pierce at C, austin is throwing every other ball into the stands, and doc's defensive trump card jamal crawford is defending lebron/KD for multiple possessions.

[madmaxmedia]

Funny thing is that I could probably be happy with an either/or scenario where we then acquire someone else to fill out the second unit. But both of them again (but at triple the price!), no please.

[Clemenza]

You guys didn't read the whole thing (well some didn't) The PLAYERS were upset that the Clippers "low balled" him. Why would this scare them away if it was them that asked for it?
I'm starting to think Jamal really has something over everyone in the organization. I never understood why the starters would stand around and watch him play 1 on 5.

For the love of god I never understood this at all. How does he get to shoot and shoot and shoot some more with no repercussions whatsoever all game long without a word or a single peep from anyone on that team.. from coaches, to players, to the front office? I wanna see the youngsters get some burn this year. If they don't show promise or pan out so be it.. at least we'll know what we have or don't have. I do not want to see another season hijacked by the likes of Jamal and Paul Pierce all over again.

We overpayed for Austin as well but at least he shows up in the post season unlike Jamal and JJ

[nickhx2]

i love cp3 and blake as much as anyone. but that fact right there is pretty much the only thing that takes my respect for them down a notch among all time ballers.

they are alpha 1a and alpha 1b. they need to play like it instead of letting jack-ass sigma xyz net-negative jamal crawford take the ball from them like they're cucks

[Ranma]

Have they stated how much is guaranteed in the final year?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/LarryCoon/status/751960616101752833[/tweet]

[mkwest]

Have they stated how much is guaranteed in the final year?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/LarryCoon/status/751960616101752833[/tweet]

It would be nice if it weren't fully guaranteed until later on in the summer as opposed to the usual June 30th.

[Neddy]

at some point, I think we have to acknowledge that our players are idiots. they rallied behind a guy who's VORP is -0.3 to come back and take up the cap room to limit our ability in the near future to make changes to help the club. I am hoping that the Kings hang on to Rudy Gay until near the trade deadline and we dump Wes and Jamal for Gay + filler or something like that to upgrade our starting SF. I know back up PG is also an issue, but just gotta hope between Austin and Frenchy, we have that position covered, because I don't see us bringing anyone else new with 6 guards on the roster.

[nickhx2]

what are you gonna do except hope that blake turns into a zach randolph feed me feed me feed me type presence on the court?

i give doc tons of crap for his choices in continuing to bring back jamal, but the players seem to have just as big of a role in it too. he's not just doc's security blanket, but cp3's and blake's too and they're willing to defer to him despite being 1000x the player he has ever been.

[og15]

You guys didn't read the whole thing (well some didn't) The PLAYERS were upset that the Clippers "low balled" him. Why would this scare them away if it was them that asked for it?
I'm starting to think Jamal really has something over everyone in the organization. I never understood why the starters would stand around and watch him play 1 on 5.

For the love of god I never understood this at all. How does he get to shoot and shoot and shoot some more with no repercussions whatsoever all game long without a word or a single peep from anyone on that team.. from coaches, to players, to the front office? I wanna see the youngsters get some burn this year. If they don't show promise or pan out so be it.. at least we'll know what we have or don't have. I do not want to see another season hijacked by the likes of Jamal and Paul Pierce all over again.

We overpayed for Austin as well but at least he shows up in the post season unlike Jamal and JJ

Can't put JJ and Jamal's playoff performance in the same category. JJ is a shooter, they are expected to have some decline in volume in the post-season because defenses will specifically look to take away his looks. He's not a guy that's then going to force shots, and he's not an on ball shot creator. He still commands defensive attention and he's still producing good efficiency. It's unreasonable to expect a player like Redick to consistently produce the same as he does vs ALL teams in the regular season against the better teams in the post-season.

Redick Regular Season per 36:
19.9 pts / 2.5 rebs / 2.1 ast / 1.4 tov / 47.4% FG / 44.5% 3PT / .621 TS% / 118 Ortg

Redick Playoffs per 36:
15.7 pts / 2.2 rebs / 1.6 ast / 1.5 tov / 44.2% FG / 39.1% 3PT / .576 TS% / 108 Ortg

Jamal is a whole different story. Since Doc came, regular season per 36:
20.6 pts (17.0 FGA) / 2.6 rebs / 3.4 ast / 2.1 tov / 40.6% FG / 34.4% 3PT / .540 TS% / 107 Ortg

Jamal playoffs per 36:
19.6 pts (18.6 FGA) / 2.5 rebs / 2.7 ast / 1.7 tov / 37.8% FG / 28.2% 3PT / .481 TS% / 98 Ortg

Jamal maintians a similar volume, but with a drop in efficiency it would actually be better if he didn't. As we see, for some reason Jamal takes 1.6 more FGA/36 in the playoffs, why? I don't know. He also becomes quite inefficient. With JJ, while his efficiency drops, he's still efficient and a positive impact, and even if he had the same volume at that efficiency, it would be good. Jamal on the other hand has a decrease in efficiency to becoming inefficient, but then has an increase to an already high volume. 18.6 FGA/36 is a lot of shooting while on the floor, let's look at whose shooting the most while on the floor in the playoffs.

Qualified Players in Playoffs FGA/36
Chris Paul - 21.9 FGA
Kemba Walker - 21.2 FGA
Marresse Speights - 21.1 FGA
Russell Westbrook - 21.0 FGA
Kevin Duarnt - 20.2 FGA
Damian Lillard - 19.9 FGA
Stephen Curry - 19.8 FGA
Kyrie Irving - 19.7 FGA
Dennis Schroder - 19.6 FGA
Isaiah Thomas - 19.5 FGA
Dwyane Wade - 19.3 FGA
DeMar DeRozan - 19.2 FGA
Klay Thompson - 19.2 FGA
James Harden - 18.7 FGA
Jamal Crawford - 18.6 FGA
Zach Randolph - 18.6 FGA
Lebron James - 18.3 FGA
LaMarcus Aldridge - 18.1 FGA
Al Jefferson - 17.8 FGA
Kawhi Leonard - 17.6 FGA

There's obviously a problem, and it does start with coaching. Jamal's role in the playoffs is obviously not one that is beneficial for winning, and Doc as a coach does have a responsibility to address that, even before the players, but the players, that is at least the stars also have to be accoutable. I would rather Blake and Paul each take 2 more FGA/G than for Jamal to be given so much freedom to overshoot.

[nickhx2]

one thing i think is understated is the risk of injury that will come to crawford being 36+. yeah we all expect him to suck even more as he ages, but an injury could be borderline devastating to him as recovery takes so much longer as an athlete closes in on 40.

i'm gonna go ahead and say the partial guarantee in year 3 will be some kind of lifesaver for the team.

[jbk1234]

I just wanted to come let you fellas know how much I appreciate your GM's eternal wisdom. Klutch is now pointing to Crawford's contract and insisting on a 4 year guaranteed deal for JR. Because he's not insane, our GM said no but of course LBJ is publicly bucking right now. So thanks again Doc.

[nickhx2]

sorry lol

[Roscoe Sheed]

Felton is a better point guard than Rivers and Crawford shouldn't play major minutes at the 3. Ideally, Crawford and Rivers shouldn't play together very much- but Doc will probably have them out there together on a regular basis

[nickhx2]

as long as doc thinks any 20 points is a good 20 points then crawford will always get major minutes.