Why are they in trouble with steriods?

ab5fan · Post #1 » by **ab5fan** » Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:09 pm

I'm still having trouble understanding as to why Sosa, McGwire, and company are in trouble for steroids when they took them before they were banned. Barry I can understand why, but other than that if the steroids weren't banned why are they in trouble??

Also I'd like to say i support Barry 100% even if he took steroids because they sure as hell dont help you see the ball better nor help you hit the ball it just gives power and quicker hands which help but getting the ball on the bat there is no drug for that.

Post #2 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:47 pm

Steroids have always been illegal in baseball, just not heavily tested/prosecuted. Plus, there's that whole illegality with the law...

Post #3 » by **studcrackers** » Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:50 pm

ab5fan wrote:I'm still having trouble understanding as to why Sosa, McGwire, and company are in trouble for steroids when they took them before they were banned. Barry I can understand why, but other than that if the steroids weren't banned why are they in trouble??

Also I'd like to say i support Barry 100% even if he took steroids because they sure as hell dont help you see the ball better nor help you hit the ball it just gives power and quicker hands which help but getting the ball on the bat there is no drug for that.

you're right b/c that doesnt help you become a better hitter at all, **** moron

sideshowking24 · Post #4 » by **sideshowking24** » Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:17 pm

yea man, although it doesn help you put the bat on the ball, being able to move the bat quicker through the zone is a big help. It can do a lot for a hitter, especially for someone like Bonds who was already able to see and recognize pitches well. with that added bat speed, some of those balls that weren't going out off of his bat before he started juicing started going out and over time, thats a big diference numbers wise as we are wittnessing now with his homerun chase.

livestrong4ever · Post #5 » by **livestrong4ever** » Thu Jul 5, 2007 10:10 pm

I blame both the steroid users and the MLB for allowing this for such a long time. If congress never would have stepped in people would still be actively juicing in the club houses now.

FaTaL · Post #6 » by **FaTaL** » Thu Jul 5, 2007 10:12 pm

livestrong4ever wrote:I blame both the steroid users and the MLB for allowing this for such a long time. If congress never would have stepped in people would still be actively juicing in the club houses now.

what makes you think there not? right after the whole congress fiasco you could tell that the bodies started to get smaller, now there getting bigger like in the early 90s all over again.

34Celtic · Post #7 » by **34Celtic** » Thu Jul 5, 2007 11:57 pm

livestrong4ever wrote:I blame both the steroid users and the MLB for allowing this for such a long time. If congress never would have stepped in people would still be actively juicing in the club houses now.

What he said.

backer55 · Post #8 » by **backer55** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 1:54 am

I don't care any longer if he used them or not. I do know that lots of other players did use them and their not doing near as well as Bonds is. Much time, effort, and money have been spent in attempt to bring Barry to Justice. What have they got, what have they done, what do they have to show for it? Nada!

The Media has "gone after" Bonds for years now, re-hashing all the old news and boreing stories over and over and over again. Bonds is still standing and i marvel at his ability to do so. I'm going to enjoy history being made as he plays in the "Fan elected" All-Star game and then becomes the new All-Time Home Run Champion. Go Barry!!

34Celtic · Post #9 » by **34Celtic** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 2:25 am

I don't care anymore, he's the all time home run king and greatest player ever. He did admit to using steroids though...

backer55 · Post #10 » by **backer55** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 3:23 am

34Celtic wrote: He did admit to using steroids though...

Actually he did not admit to useing steroids and this is getting real old. He admitted to useing something that the Grang Jury thought may have been the clear and the cream. At NO Time, did Bonds say, admitt, or to have had been proven, that he used steroids.

I'm still a hold-out that he did not take them but am smart enough to realise that he may very well have. Again, at this point, i don't realy care anymore if he did or didn't.

What he is doing, how he is playing, how feared he is at the plate, at his age is truly amazing. He leads ALL MLB in OPS, OBP, BB's and among the leaders in slugging %. In most cases he is the leader by enough points that no one is even close.

It's time to throw down the trash talk, step back and appreciate the fact that Barry Bonds is/has proven himself to be one of the games greatest all around players ever. He just is...That Good!!!

High 5 · Post #11 » by **High 5** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 3:33 am

Go stick your head in the toilet if you don't believe Barry Bonds took steroids.

backer55 · Post #12 » by **backer55** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 3:46 am

High 5, I didn't say that i don't believe he took them. I said that i hope he didn't but believe he may have, nothing has been proven or he would have been suspended. Leave it to the haters to twist words.

As far as sticking my head in a toilet, i do so all the time. After my career as a Pro middle linebacker, i bought, own, and run my own plumbing contracting business. Ha!

sideshowking24 · Post #13 » by **sideshowking24** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 3:48 am

He did, but he has never flat-out admitted to it. People need to stop saying that.

High 5 · Post #14 » by **High 5** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 4:03 am

That wasn't directed towards anyone in particular, just throwing that out there.

34Celtic · Post #15 » by **34Celtic** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 12:39 pm

sideshowking24 wrote:He did, but he has never flat-out admitted to it. People need to stop saying that.

He admitted in Grand Jury Testimony....

livestrong4ever · Post #16 » by **livestrong4ever** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 12:52 pm

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He admitted in Grand Jury Testimony....

He never 'knowingly' took steroids is my understanding.

San Francisco Chronicle wrote:

Barry Bonds told a federal grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream supplied by the Burlingame laboratory now enmeshed in a sports doping scandal, but he said he never thought they were steroids, The Chronicle has learned.

34Celtic · Post #17 » by **34Celtic** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 3:13 pm

Do you honestly think the cream and clear made him that big? I don't, i think it was something else. There is some sort of reason why his trainer wont talk and is in prison. I personally don't care if he took steroids, I really don't....thats Bud Seligs problem and mess to clean up.

Post #18 » by **Chach** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 9:08 pm

Barry Bonds is huge because he spent countless hours in the gym. His gym habits are well documented.

He was able to spend that time at the gym, however, because of the steroids. Steroids don't make you grow like you are bumped full of air, it helps your body recover from a hard workout faster, allow you to lift more. Anyone who has lifted weights knows that recovery is key to seeing physical and performance gains. Usually that means taking a day or two to rest a muscle group. Steroids helps speed up the process, allow for you to get back into the gym and go intensely at it very quickly, perhaps the next day. That's why Bonds was able to pack on so much muscle, he spent a lot of time at the gym that was aided by steroids. So while I respect his dedication, I personally do not approve of his methods. mahalo
~Chach~

HeelSox · Post #19 » by **HeelSox** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 9:25 pm

Everyone needs to read "Game of Shadows."

backer55 · Post #20 » by **backer55** » Fri Jul 6, 2007 11:59 pm

Game of shadows is a story. Many parts including some of the more important claims, have been found untrue.

Tha Authors were hoping to recieve awards on the book from their "Work" but aparently the only catagory it would fall under was "fiction".

No wonder, as if half the things the Authors claimed were true, there would no need for all the ruckus involved in tring to put "something, anything..." on Barry Bonds.

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