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The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

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Re: The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0) 

Post#161 » by Slartibartfast » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:14 pm

Fischella wrote:I think the C's are gonna get Jimmy Butler, with Philly getting Smart, and maybe a pick, and Chicago grabbing Okafor and some other assets, maybe dumping Dunleavy to a 4th team


Philly might want Dunleavy - they badly need some proven shooting if he's healthy enough to play, and it's not like they need to avoid adding money.

Hard to see Chicago valuing Okafor or Philly Smart that highly though - if they liked those pieces that much, a 3-teamer would have been pretty easy to put together at the draft.
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Post#162 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Jul 5, 2016 5:45 pm

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Fischella wrote:I think the C's are gonna get Jimmy Butler, with Philly getting Smart, and maybe a pick, and Chicago grabbing Okafor and some other assets, maybe dumping Dunleavy to a 4th team


Philly might want Dunleavy - they badly need some proven shooting if he's healthy enough to play, and it's not like they need to avoid adding money.

Hard to see Chicago valuing Okafor or Philly Smart that highly though - if they liked those pieces that much, a 3-teamer would have been pretty easy to put together at the draft.



Sixers offered Convington and Noel or Okafor for #3 right? I dunno just not sure I wanna pay Noel 20+ mils after next season, also Okafor fits nowhere.
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Re: The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0) 

Post#163 » by Bohemian » Tue Jul 5, 2016 9:38 pm

I am wondering if Danny is interested in a trade or if he´ll rather go with this roster. We haven´t heard from him...anybody has any info whatsoever or has a clue of what he´ll try to do next?

And yes, besides taking the options of Amir and Jonas (no brainer, good production for very ¨pre-summer 2016 salaries¨
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Post#164 » by ajones9219 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 10:03 pm

Bohemian wrote:I am wondering if Danny is interested in a trade or if he´ll rather go with this roster. We haven´t heard from him...anybody has any info whatsoever or has a clue of what he´ll try to do next?

And yes, besides taking the options of Amir and Jonas (no brainer, good production for very ¨pre-summer 2016 salaries¨


I think smitty would be the man to talk to but I think if I remember correct that ainge wanted to try to do something before the 7th to pick up amir and jj
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Post#165 » by Bohemian » Tue Jul 5, 2016 10:21 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am wondering if Danny is interested in a trade or if he´ll rather go with this roster. We haven´t heard from him...anybody has any info whatsoever or has a clue of what he´ll try to do next?

And yes, besides taking the options of Amir and Jonas (no brainer, good production for very ¨pre-summer 2016 salaries¨


I think smitty would be the man to talk to but I think if I remember correct that ainge wanted to try to do something before the 7th to pick up amir and jj


Now I´m excited again ;)
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Post#166 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jul 6, 2016 7:55 am

Celticsblog is reporting that Butler and Okafor are still available. Honestly, I have no interest in either as Butler will cripple the team. Just stay away from that Bulls' FO(from what Danny said I'm convinced the Bulls' FO didn't accept #3 + Bradley or Crowder + Smart + filler, which imo is more than enough for Butler, trading 2 top 5 picks for him is absurd)....
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Post#167 » by celticfan42487 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 8:36 am

I think Jimmy Butler is a perfectly fine player, in a Demar Derozen way.

But at the same time, in this day and age...I do have concerns about having a back court player that can't shoot 3s.

Don't get me wrong, with the incredible amount of increase workload he's about to get, both Demar and Jimmy will get all-star nods. And you're happy if you have them... but their lack of fit in a modern offense makes them someone you don't go out of your way to get.

(their ability to get to the line off set this quite a bit and they might be better end of game scorers then I give them credit for... I don't watch many Bull or Raptor games in my spare time)
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Post#168 » by Edug27 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 8:49 am

celticfan42487 wrote:I think Jimmy Butler is a perfectly fine player, in a Demar Derozen way.

But at the same time, in this day and age...I do have concerns about having a back court player that can't shoot 3s.

Don't get me wrong, with the incredible amount of increase workload he's about to get, both Demar and Jimmy will get all-star nods. And you're happy if you have them... but their lack of fit in a modern offense makes them someone you don't go out of your way to get.

(their ability to get to the line off set this quite a bit and they might be better end of game scorers then I give them credit for... I don't watch many Bull or Raptor games in my spare time)


I think Jimmy is a better 3 pt shooter than you give him credit for. And I think he will continue to improve.. Especially in an offense that generates him better looks. But yes, Derozan isn't very good from long range.
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Post#169 » by celticfan42487 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 8:58 am

Edug27 wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:I think Jimmy Butler is a perfectly fine player, in a Demar Derozen way.

But at the same time, in this day and age...I do have concerns about having a back court player that can't shoot 3s.

Don't get me wrong, with the incredible amount of increase workload he's about to get, both Demar and Jimmy will get all-star nods. And you're happy if you have them... but their lack of fit in a modern offense makes them someone you don't go out of your way to get.

(their ability to get to the line off set this quite a bit and they might be better end of game scorers then I give them credit for... I don't watch many Bull or Raptor games in my spare time)


I think Jimmy is a better 3 pt shooter than you give him credit for. And I think he will continue to improve.. Especially in an offense that generates him better looks. But yes, Derozan isn't very good from long range.


Yeah he's not Demar bad from 3, but 33% as not the #1 option... I'm not sure he's going to get more open looks going forward without Rose and Gasol to take the pressure off.

When he actually starting shooting 3s the past few years have been 28%, 38%, 31% so... I guess we'll see where he settles. He's not that young, been in the league 5 years.

In general the theory is usage goes up, efficiency goes down.

But we'll see. He has potential there but it is concerning. This year will be very telling.

He's certaintly not Derozen where the ship has waved bye bye a long time ago.
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Post#170 » by 165bows » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:18 am

Bohemian wrote:I am wondering if Danny is interested in a trade or if he´ll rather go with this roster. We haven´t heard from him...anybody has any info whatsoever or has a clue of what he´ll try to do next?

And yes, besides taking the options of Amir and Jonas (no brainer, good production for very ¨pre-summer 2016 salaries¨

I think there is a trade. Maybe not a huge one, but the Bulpett article said straight out this isn't the roster they are going into the season with.
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Post#171 » by ajones9219 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:22 am

165bows wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am wondering if Danny is interested in a trade or if he´ll rather go with this roster. We haven´t heard from him...anybody has any info whatsoever or has a clue of what he´ll try to do next?

And yes, besides taking the options of Amir and Jonas (no brainer, good production for very ¨pre-summer 2016 salaries¨

I think there is a trade. Maybe not a huge one, but the Bulpett article said straight out this isn't the roster they are going into the season with.

I agree. I think something will drop today with jj and amir contracts at midnight
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Post#172 » by 165bows » Wed Jul 6, 2016 12:52 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
165bows wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am wondering if Danny is interested in a trade or if he´ll rather go with this roster. We haven´t heard from him...anybody has any info whatsoever or has a clue of what he´ll try to do next?

And yes, besides taking the options of Amir and Jonas (no brainer, good production for very ¨pre-summer 2016 salaries¨

I think there is a trade. Maybe not a huge one, but the Bulpett article said straight out this isn't the roster they are going into the season with.

I agree. I think something will drop today with jj and amir contracts at midnight

Wonder how many team would be looking to get cap space?
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Post#173 » by KGboss » Wed Jul 6, 2016 12:58 pm

Im thinking butler is becoming very underrated around here. I say if hes available you get him.
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Post#174 » by GregB » Wed Jul 6, 2016 1:39 pm

KGboss wrote:Im thinking butler is becoming very underrated around here. I say if hes available you get him at the right price.


Fixed. Butler alone doesn't make you a championship contender and with the powerhouse in Golden State we can't afford to overpay if we would like a chance to compete for a championship in the next 5-10 years.
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Post#175 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jul 6, 2016 1:47 pm

I have little interest in either of those players. Butler is ok but he's no superstar. And I would vehemently object to any trade that costs the Celtics Crowder.
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Post#176 » by Bohemian » Wed Jul 6, 2016 1:59 pm

The Wade situation may force people to get rid of some players.

I am thinking:

CLE: Love
CHI: Dunleavy, Gibson (also, with Wade in would Chicago be more willing to deal Butler to the Celtics?)
MIL: Maybe they want to offload some contracts with Wade coming...Monroe, Middleton?

Just wondering...
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Post#177 » by OFWGKTA » Wed Jul 6, 2016 2:10 pm

KGboss wrote:Im thinking butler is becoming very underrated around here. I say if hes available you get him.


I think he's still overrated, seeing people say things like "no thanks on Middleton, Butler or bust"
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Post#178 » by Green89 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 2:11 pm

I think Danny will still target Khris Middleton.
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Post#179 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 6, 2016 2:19 pm

on wants Wade that badly though.
Bohemian wrote:The Wade situation may force people to get rid of some players.

I am thinking:

CLE: Love
CHI: Dunleavy, Gibson (also, with Wade in would Chicago be more willing to deal Butler to the Celtics?)
MIL: Maybe they want to offload some contracts with Wade coming...Monroe, Middleton?

Just wondering...


If Lebron wants his buddy Wade badly enough, we could probably get Love for not much more than maybe trading Amir and Jonas before their contracts guarantee and maybe a future first rounder or 2 (not the BKN '17 swap though). If Ainge wants to leverage their interest in Wade, that is. Sure Love has his defensive concerns but there's enough rotational help now I think that we can appropriately double when needed and rotate back. And he still has a skillset that would work here. Again, though, this is only if Lebron wants Wade that badly.
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Post#180 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 6, 2016 2:38 pm

I bet there will be a trade today before Amir and JJ become guaranteed

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