Rookie of the Year: The Marco Belinelli Thread

[JDR720]

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[Flip Murray]

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so what player are we getting?

[Braggins]

Surely we are at least soliciting a future pick out of this? This is such an uncharacteristically bad trade for Cho. All his trades have been solid to good value and this is basically throwing our 1st round pick in the trash...

[BlackOutBuzz]

Surely we are at least soliciting a future pick out of this? This is such an uncharacteristically bad trade for Cho. All his trades have been solid to good value and this is basically throwing our 1st round pick in the trash...

I'm sure we'll get some cash out of it.

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[Braggins]

Surely we are at least soliciting a future pick out of this? This is such an uncharacteristically bad trade for Cho. All his trades have been solid to good value and this is basically throwing our 1st round pick in the trash...

I'm sure we'll get some cash out of it.

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A future 2nd and some cash would make me feel a little better. Cash by itself would do nothing for me.

[Bassman]

Surely we are at least soliciting a future pick out of this? This is such an uncharacteristically bad trade for Cho. All his trades have been solid to good value and this is basically throwing our 1st round pick in the trash...

This is the problem when Cho gets a man love crush on a player. They pursued the waiter and didn't flinch on the price. It was a weak moment that demonstrates again Cho's poor draft strategy. Frankly need to drug Cho and tie him up in the basement on draft day.

[Braggins]

Surely we are at least soliciting a future pick out of this? This is such an uncharacteristically bad trade for Cho. All his trades have been solid to good value and this is basically throwing our 1st round pick in the trash...

This is the problem when Cho gets a man love crush on a player. They pursued the waiter and didn't flinch on the price. It was a weak moment that demonstrates again Cho's poor draft strategy. Frankly need to drug Cho and tie him up in the basement on draft day.

Idk though, we only gave up 2 2nds for Lee and he should have been a million times more valuable than Bellinelli. Marco might not even make our rotation next season and he is already 30. This is just such bad value. I think this is the first trade where Cho has lost any long term value and its pretty significant. I guarantee there will be players that were on the board at 22 that will be more productive than Marco this season even if he has a solid year.

[fatlever]

The trade of a draft pick for a vet is as much about Jordan as it is about Cho. We've all heard about MJs impatience with young players and preference for vets. MJ maybe didn't specifically ask for Marco, but he may have pushed the front office towards a vet over an unproven rookie.

[antique0o0]

I thought this trade was OK for hornets. With Sessions coming off the bench, the second unit could use his shooting.
The second unit could really use some rim protection though. So trade Hawes.

[euphorbus]

The second unit could really use some rim protection though. So trade Hawes.

That may yet happen, but we now have Roy Hibbert to anchor the second unit.

[Soul Rebel]

I agree that this doesn't seem like a typical Cho trade, though it does wreak of his sour draft night antics.

The part about getting Belly that irks me is that, as we saw over the first few days of FA, we were cash strapped..... so why trade a cheap draft pick salary for a 30-yr old salary? If we were sending out salary in the trade and/or at least getting additional assets to offset us taking on the $$, it would make more sense.

I hope it's classic Bonnell, and there is more to this trade still. Fingers crossed, though I'm managing my expectations over the next 24 hours.

[Cheeze]

I've said that I like the trade. Though I wish Bellineli wouldn't have gone and broken his jaw. That could linger.

But whatever. What Cho did was trade an unknown quantity for a known quantity. He traded for a backup shooting guard whom he knew well, tried to sign last summer, a man with loads of experience, while giving up the 22 pick, a rookie who likely won't have an impact for at least a couple more years. We already know how Clifford just LOVES rookies.

Consider Guerschon Yabusele, Caris Levert, Malik Beasley, Henry Ellison (wouldn't have THAT been a great Cho draft pick!), and Deandre Bembry were selected just before Richardson. With the likes of Timothe Luwawu and Pascal Siakam pick just behind. Sorry, guys and gals. I'll take the old vet over any of these young unknowns, even Richardson who is all of 20 years old (can you say, "D League"?).

I get the gripe here...that the Hornets didn't get VALUE with the trade, that they lost out on the potential of the young player and the low salary slot of the pick. But they gained much more on the court these next couple of seasons and that's why I like the trade. Made it boring on draft day, and it'll be fun to see if the story had a wider narrative than what we've heard so far, but it's a good business deal and we'll be grateful for it when the dust clears.

[spaceballer]

I think adding a vet instead of a rookie who needs to be developed is the right choice at this stage for the team. The clock is ticking with the contracts signed this off-season.

Marv, a very good player and a good re-signing, is getting older on a four year contract.

Batum is on a 5yr contract that may not look pretty down the line. Deron Williams and Amar'e Stoudemire were both signed to max 5yr contracts at the same age that Batum is now. That doesn't mean that Batum will follow their footsteps, and there are other contracts that don't end up the same way. But the possibility is there, that the latter years of the contract may not look so good as Batum ages.

That means the time to strike is right now. Gotta strike while the iron is hot. With good young pieces like MKG and Kemba.

The team needs vets like Belly rather than rookies who may not be able to contribute right now. Gotta make use of the current window on the team and try to push as deep into the playoffs as you can (even if winning it all is unlikely with a GSW superteam about to start a dynasty), because the clock ticking on Batum and Marv and the latter years of their contracts may not be as attractive.

Belli instead of a rookie is a good choice for this stage of team development. Not so much for the future. But this move isn't for a future youth movement. Not with the signing of Batum and Marv this off-season.

What I'm actually a little upset at Cho about is the timing of the press conference he held on draft night about this trade. GM's were putting in work getting commitments from undrafted players. Cho should have been in the thick of it locking down commitments for summer league and potentially the Greensboro Swarm from the young undrafted talent still floating around, not holding a press conference that could wait till later.

[fatlever]

As said on draft day, I would have been OK with the Marco trade had the Hornets found a way to trade back into the 2nd round to secure at least one solid young player who could eventually become a cheap rotation player. We've been ignoring the 2nd round for too long.

[Snidely FC]

As said on draft day, I would have been OK with the Marco trade had the Hornets found a way to trade back into the 2nd round to secure at least one solid young player who could eventually become a cheap rotation player. We've been ignoring the 2nd round for too long.

This X 1000

[Eoghan]

I think adding a vet instead of a rookie who needs to be developed is the right choice at this stage for the team. The clock is ticking with the contracts signed this off-season.

Marv, a very good player and a good re-signing, is getting older on a four year contract.

Batum is on a 5yr contract that may not look pretty down the line. Deron Williams and Amar'e Stoudemire were both signed to max 5yr contracts at the same age that Batum is now. That doesn't mean that Batum will follow their footsteps, and there are other contracts that don't end up the same way. But the possibility is there, that the latter years of the contract may not look so good as Batum ages.

That means the time to strike is right now. Gotta strike while the iron is hot. With good young pieces like MKG and Kemba.

The team needs vets like Belly rather than rookies who may not be able to contribute right now. Gotta make use of the current window on the team and try to push as deep into the playoffs as you can (even if winning it all is unlikely with a GSW superteam about to start a dynasty), because the clock ticking on Batum and Marv and the latter years of their contracts may not be as attractive.

Belli instead of a rookie is a good choice for this stage of team development. Not so much for the future. But this move isn't for a future youth movement. Not with the signing of Batum and Marv this off-season.

What I'm actually a little upset at Cho about is the timing of the press conference he held on draft night about this trade. GM's were putting in work getting commitments from undrafted players. Cho should have been in the thick of it locking down commitments for summer league and potentially the Greensboro Swarm from the young undrafted talent still floating around, not holding a press conference that could wait till later.

This is our "Championship or bust" all-in roster?

As said on draft day, I would have been OK with the Marco trade had the Hornets found a way to trade back into the 2nd round to secure at least one solid young player who could eventually become a cheap rotation player. We've been ignoring the 2nd round for too long.

This X 1000

Yeah, what did we get a D-league team for anyway?

[TheKingofSting]

Founding Hornet is going down with the ship with his barbershop rumors.


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[Mystical Apples]

Belinelli would look snazzy in Bulls red.

[Braggins]

Founding Hornet is going down with the ship with his barbershop rumors.


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Lol, im pretty sure hes batting .000

[Braggins]

I'm not buying the excuse that we made this move because we wanted a win now player because... we didn't get a win now player. There will be players who were on the board at 22 who have more productive seasons than Marco. I think this trade is basically an admission that our front office has no clue what they are doing when it comes to the draft. If they had even the slightest bit of confidence in their scouting department and their ability to make draft picks then they should have been confident that they would pick someone who would be better than Marco, which is an extremely low bar. We could have taken Korkmaz or Luwawu and basically be in the same situation, except our 4th wing would have tons of upside instead of being a 30 year old borderline rotation player who is in the middle of a career tailspin. We could have taken Jones, not signed Hibbert, and had 9 million left over after signing Sessions to get another wing. We'd have a comparable 4th wing option and a 3rd center with tons of upside, instead of a 3rd center who is... a 29 year old borderline rotation player in the middle of a career tailspin.

We are not good enough or talented enough to be trading away 1st round picks for guys like Marco. We need those picks to add talented players because we can't do so through free agency or trades. We are not the Spurs or Warriors and we don't have Lebron on our team. This was a waste of an opportunity to add talent to our roster and I'm pretty pissed about it. The rest of our offseason was fine, but this is pretty infuriating. I'm still holding out some hope that we are going to move Marco or get a future asset out of the deal, but I'm not holding my breath.