Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV

[j4remi]

hmmmm. I don't know about above Mook.


Hollow is nice and is easily one of the nicest, but Mook says very Elite Lines. Its hard to impress me and he does that a lot when he does spit. A lot of Hollow appeal is his dramatics...

No disrespect to Mook intended, but I think Hollow's level of activity is what gives him an edge over everyone. He has one clear loss and a laundry list of top tier opponents where even in the debatable ones he got the majority opinion on the win. Mook's a monster but check Hollow's opponents (and I'm goin' off the top so I could be forgetting names): Joe Budden, Pat Stay (away from home), Aye Verb (in St. Louis), Pass (in Cali), Okwerdz (at his peak fame in Cali), Illmac (away from home), Big T, Tsu Surf, Loaded Lux, Charlie Clips

And to top that off, he was an MVP candidate from the WRC's and Freestyle Friday HoF member. Even the one clear loss he has in his career happened when they switched his opponent on arrival at the venue. He's not the bar heavy cat that some others are, but he's really well rounded which helps him hold his own against any opponent in any venue. I think that's a big advantage for him.

[j4remi]

https://soundcloud.com/joebudden/joe-budden-wake-produced-by-araabmuzik

Budden with another track at Drake.

[Marcus]

https://soundcloud.com/joebudden/joe-budden-wake-produced-by-araabmuzik

Budden with another track at Drake.

this is getting outta hand. I think Drake HAS to ignore him now.

[Knicksfan1992]

https://soundcloud.com/joebudden/joe-budden-wake-produced-by-araabmuzik

Budden with another track at Drake.

This one was way better than the first but, Joe's delivery doesn't do it for me. He mumbles and fumbles over words so much and I think his voice is weird. Neither of these really "hurt" Drake though. They're clever and they have some nice wordplay and some throwback references to So Far Gone but, nothing made me go "Oh chit Drake gotta respond". That's the problem here... Joe respects Drake too much to go all out on him. He doesn't really want this beef like Meek did. Meek just royally fuqqed up everything about how he handled the situation.

[IllmaticHandler]

https://soundcloud.com/joebudden/joe-budden-wake-produced-by-araabmuzik

Budden with another track at Drake.

this is getting outta hand. I think Drake HAS to ignore him now.

why is it getting outta hand cause the dude is calling him out, and washing him up lyrically? It was all good a year ago when Drake had the petal on Meeks head. If Drake does not respond it proves he is even more fluffy than before. He took a shot a Joe on a song first.


Dude got Bodied by Jay Z and Joe Buddens in the same week. I'm Loving this...

[j4remi]

This one was way better than the first but, Joe's delivery doesn't do it for me. He mumbles and fumbles over words so much and I think his voice is weird. Neither of these really "hurt" Drake though. They're clever and they have some nice wordplay and some throwback references to So Far Gone but, nothing made me go "Oh chit Drake gotta respond". That's the problem here... Joe respects Drake too much to go all out on him. He doesn't really want this beef like Meek did. Meek just royally fuqqed up everything about how he handled the situation.

Honestly, I think Joe's approach has been really strategic here. He knew he could double up because it would hypocritical to defend Drake over a Back to Back style assault. Joe addressed the potential personals that Drake was threatening him with (call it the B-Rabbit strategy lol). Then Joe flipped and instead of going in on a personal attack route, he's made two diss tracks that are lyricism based. That's a way to try and keep Drake away from dropping a club tune instead of fighting back on a more lyrical tip and that Drake's personals lose their spice. Joe's not winning in a battle of club music and he'd lose on personals; but if he can force Drake to go bar for bar, Joe can take Drake out. That's why these have been wordplay heavy with less personal strikes imo.

[Marcus]

https://soundcloud.com/joebudden/joe-budden-wake-produced-by-araabmuzik

Budden with another track at Drake.

this is getting outta hand. I think Drake HAS to ignore him now.

why is it getting outta hand cause the dude is calling him out, and washing him up lyrically? It was all good a year ago when Drake had the petal on Meeks head. If Drake does not respond it proves he is even more fluffy than before. He took a shot a Joe on a song first.


Dude got Bodied by Jay Z and Joe Buddens in the same week. I'm Loving this...

Not out of hand in the sense that it needs to stop by any means. Just outta hand with how dope Joey is being right now. I've actually been waiting on this for a while now since Joey's breakdown of 4pm on his podcast. Just hate that Drake wasn't given a chance to respond because now I don't think he will. I don't think he can. If he doesn't ignore Joey at this point he's just validating the tracks.

Fact is real heads know Drake is getting barred to death right now but the casuals have no idea what's happening. With Making a Murderer Joey put a lot of hidden content in there so if Drake did bite and respond the casuals would just hear it as a new Drake track since he's the sub king and never throws names out. So he could throw shots behind that hidden veil. With "Wake" Joey hits on some relevant things that even the casuals know what he's talking about and Drake can't deny those things. Might be better off playing the "too big of a name to respond" card and drop new music with no reference to anything happening with Joey.

I don't think that French track gets shelved but I do think some bars change. Drake gotta be hearing this and knows he don't want those problems. Joey is too nice, too calculated, and too prepared to rattle off track after track if need be. If the casuals don't know about these first 2 or don't care about them because Drake hasn't acknowledged them yet then they will when he does and he won't be able to club song his way outta this one.

Plus that "Flex" track is fire and a Drake response probably increases spins on there as well.

[Marcus]

This one was way better than the first but, Joe's delivery doesn't do it for me. He mumbles and fumbles over words so much and I think his voice is weird. Neither of these really "hurt" Drake though. They're clever and they have some nice wordplay and some throwback references to So Far Gone but, nothing made me go "Oh chit Drake gotta respond". That's the problem here... Joe respects Drake too much to go all out on him. He doesn't really want this beef like Meek did. Meek just royally fuqqed up everything about how he handled the situation.

Honestly, I think Joe's approach has been really strategic here. He knew he could double up because it would hypocritical to defend Drake over a Back to Back style assault. Joe addressed the potential personals that Drake was threatening him with (call it the B-Rabbit strategy lol). Then Joe flipped and instead of going in on a personal attack route, he's made two diss tracks that are lyricism based. That's a way to try and keep Drake away from dropping a club tune instead of fighting back on a more lyrical tip and that Drake's personals lose their spice. Joe's not winning in a battle of club music and he'd lose on personals; but if he can force Drake to go bar for bar, Joe can take Drake out. That's why these have been wordplay heavy with less personal strikes imo.

Felt like there were plenty of personals in the first track. That whole shared thots section was personal. I do think it was a warning shot in terms of how deep he could delve but still personal nonetheless. Also not sure where Joey would lose in personals either. Anything Drake could touch on would be essentially what everybody already knows and expects to be said. Anything outside of that would be something that's between them and not so sure Drake paints a better picture than Joe in that regard.

[j4remi]

Felt like there were plenty of personals in the first track. That whole shared thots section was personal. I do think it was a warning shot in terms of how deep he could delve but still personal nonetheless. Also not sure where Joey would lose in personals either. Anything Drake could touch on would be essentially what everybody already knows and expects to be said. Anything outside of that would be something that's between them and not so sure Drake paints a better picture than Joe in that regard.

That whole shared thots section is a defense though and calling out Drake for threatening to use what I assume is a Tahiri angle. The personal stuff all hits around that threat Drake had. The reason I say Drake wins in personals is that you're talking personal life between the most popular rapper today and an underground emcee whose past includes being on reality tv, getting attacked by Wu-Tang members on film and having two major label looks without really hitting Drake's level. If you compare personal life; Drake basically has a teflon shield that's as easy as "you're jealous because I'm bigger" which will win with casuals just like it did with Fifty repeatedly.

[Marcus]

Felt like there were plenty of personals in the first track. That whole shared thots section was personal. I do think it was a warning shot in terms of how deep he could delve but still personal nonetheless. Also not sure where Joey would lose in personals either. Anything Drake could touch on would be essentially what everybody already knows and expects to be said. Anything outside of that would be something that's between them and not so sure Drake paints a better picture than Joe in that regard.

That whole shared thots section is a defense though and calling out Drake for threatening to use what I assume is a Tahiri angle. The personal stuff all hits around that threat Drake had. The reason I say Drake wins in personals is that you're talking personal life between the most popular rapper today and an underground emcee whose past includes being on reality tv, getting attacked by Wu-Tang members on film and having two major label looks without really hitting Drake's level. If you compare personal life; Drake basically has a teflon shield that's as easy as "you're jealous because I'm bigger" which will win with casuals just like it did with Fifty repeatedly.

that's fair when factoring in the casuals but Drake has to be smarter than that to take that approach. One, real heads won't respect it and regardless of what the casuals think in the end, at the root, MC to MC he knows how important that is. End of the day regardless of how many pop songs he makes, hooks he sings, tracks about broads he makes, he was always respected by other MCs because dude can spit. No matter what you think of him that's undeniable. Not sure that angle can be respected unless the bars are complete flames. Can't see him putting such a unique spin on it to accomplish that. Two, I would think he has to know Joey is expecting that and has something in the bag to comeback with. Drake is too smart to just walk into that trap.

[Knicksfan1992]

Felt like there were plenty of personals in the first track. That whole shared thots section was personal. I do think it was a warning shot in terms of how deep he could delve but still personal nonetheless. Also not sure where Joey would lose in personals either. Anything Drake could touch on would be essentially what everybody already knows and expects to be said. Anything outside of that would be something that's between them and not so sure Drake paints a better picture than Joe in that regard.

That whole shared thots section is a defense though and calling out Drake for threatening to use what I assume is a Tahiri angle. The personal stuff all hits around that threat Drake had. The reason I say Drake wins in personals is that you're talking personal life between the most popular rapper today and an underground emcee whose past includes being on reality tv, getting attacked by Wu-Tang members on film and having two major label looks without really hitting Drake's level. If you compare personal life; Drake basically has a teflon shield that's as easy as "you're jealous because I'm bigger" which will win with casuals just like it did with Fifty repeatedly.

that's fair when factoring in the casuals but Drake has to be smarter than that to take that approach. One, real heads won't respect it and regardless of what the casuals think in the end, at the root, MC to MC he knows how important that is. End of the day regardless of how many pop songs he makes, hooks he sings, tracks about broads he makes, he was always respected by other MCs because dude can spit. No matter what you think of him that's undeniable. Not sure that angle can be respected unless the bars are complete flames. Can't see him putting such a unique spin on it to accomplish that. Two, I would think he has to know Joey is expecting that and has something in the bag to comeback with. Drake is too smart to just walk into that trap.

Drake is too smart to battle with Budden period. Drake's a businessman first and foremost at this point and battling with Budden is bad for business. You battle with Budden and you open the gates for any and everybody to come at you knowing they may get a response. Budden is irrelevant in Drake's lane and he has too much to lose. Until Budden drops something that really hurts Drake, and let's face it, these might be nice clever bars but, this is nothing that really threatens Drake in any way, he won't respond and that's how he should handle it.

[Marcus]

That whole shared thots section is a defense though and calling out Drake for threatening to use what I assume is a Tahiri angle. The personal stuff all hits around that threat Drake had. The reason I say Drake wins in personals is that you're talking personal life between the most popular rapper today and an underground emcee whose past includes being on reality tv, getting attacked by Wu-Tang members on film and having two major label looks without really hitting Drake's level. If you compare personal life; Drake basically has a teflon shield that's as easy as "you're jealous because I'm bigger" which will win with casuals just like it did with Fifty repeatedly.

that's fair when factoring in the casuals but Drake has to be smarter than that to take that approach. One, real heads won't respect it and regardless of what the casuals think in the end, at the root, MC to MC he knows how important that is. End of the day regardless of how many pop songs he makes, hooks he sings, tracks about broads he makes, he was always respected by other MCs because dude can spit. No matter what you think of him that's undeniable. Not sure that angle can be respected unless the bars are complete flames. Can't see him putting such a unique spin on it to accomplish that. Two, I would think he has to know Joey is expecting that and has something in the bag to comeback with. Drake is too smart to just walk into that trap.

Drake is too smart to battle with Budden period. Drake's a businessman first and foremost at this point and battling with Budden is bad for business. You battle with Budden and you open the gates for any and everybody to come at you knowing they may get a response. Budden is irrelevant in Drake's lane and he has too much to lose. Until Budden drops something that really hurts Drake, and let's face it, these might be nice clever bars but, this is nothing that really threatens Drake in any way, he won't respond and that's how he should handle it.

I agree with he shouldn't say anything which is why I don't think he will. Its not really a winning situation for Drake at this point. Trading bars/tracks with Joey shines light on what Budden has put out thus far and lights up a new project for him. Nobody outside of Drake's core will think he outbarred Joey so he loses on that MC respect front. Pointless after Wake. I think the first track he had a chance but not now. Any subs later shouldn't happen either because we'll be right back here again. Floodgates aren't the concern because nobody was gonna come after Drake for one reason or another anyway unless they were either made men or off the radar enough to not affect connects (in some cases both). Drake is pretty much untouchable in the game unless its by another untouchable.

Sucks that this might be over before it began. All that being said though I still want flames on this French track.

[Knicksfan1992]

that's fair when factoring in the casuals but Drake has to be smarter than that to take that approach. One, real heads won't respect it and regardless of what the casuals think in the end, at the root, MC to MC he knows how important that is. End of the day regardless of how many pop songs he makes, hooks he sings, tracks about broads he makes, he was always respected by other MCs because dude can spit. No matter what you think of him that's undeniable. Not sure that angle can be respected unless the bars are complete flames. Can't see him putting such a unique spin on it to accomplish that. Two, I would think he has to know Joey is expecting that and has something in the bag to comeback with. Drake is too smart to just walk into that trap.

Drake is too smart to battle with Budden period. Drake's a businessman first and foremost at this point and battling with Budden is bad for business. You battle with Budden and you open the gates for any and everybody to come at you knowing they may get a response. Budden is irrelevant in Drake's lane and he has too much to lose. Until Budden drops something that really hurts Drake, and let's face it, these might be nice clever bars but, this is nothing that really threatens Drake in any way, he won't respond and that's how he should handle it.

I agree with he shouldn't say anything which is why I don't think he will. Its not really a winning situation for Drake at this point. Trading bars/tracks with Joey shines light on what Budden has put out thus far and lights up a new project for him. Nobody outside of Drake's core will think he outbarred Joey so he loses on that MC respect front. Pointless after Wake. I think the first track he had a chance but not now. Any subs later shouldn't happen either because we'll be right back here again. Floodgates aren't the concern because nobody was gonna come after Drake for one reason or another anyway unless they were either made men or off the radar enough to not affect connects (in some cases both). Drake is pretty much untouchable in the game unless its by another untouchable.

Sucks that this might be over before it began. All that being said though I still want flames on this French track.

I agree

[Mecca]

Going to jump in with a few points, but I agree with most of what's been said.

- Budden would win the battle, but popularity overrides skill. Therefore, if Drake had another Back 2 Back in him, the masses would praise Drake. Back 2 Back wasn't a great diss track, but it was really good sonically, which was rare in diss tracks.

- Drake started this battle, thus to be respected as an MC, he should come to battle.

- Budden wants to bring Drake the MC out, rather than Drake the pop star. I see what he's doing. He's trying to see if Drake wants the reputation as an elite MC as well as just an all out star.

- Drake actually stans Budden, and had similar styles when he first came up. Therefore, this is NOT like Diggy Simmons/J. Cole. Budden, regardless of mainstream appeal, is a name Drake respects.


I think Drake has French change his verse, and the beef never brews and this will all settle down in a month or two. Like others said, Drake is a business man and has a great team around him. They're not putting him in a position to lose his crown, especially by someone that is off the mainstream map.

[Marcus]

Going to jump in with a few points, but I agree with most of what's been said.

- Budden would win the battle, but popularity overrides skill. Therefore, if Drake had another Back 2 Back in him, the masses would praise Drake. Back 2 Back wasn't a great diss track, but it was really good sonically, which was rare in diss tracks.

- Drake started this battle, thus to be respected as an MC, he should come to battle.

- Budden wants to bring Drake the MC out, rather than Drake the pop star. I see what he's doing. He's trying to see if Drake wants the reputation as an elite MC as well as just an all out star.

- Drake actually stans Budden, and had similar styles when he first came up. Therefore, this is NOT like Diggy Simmons/J. Cole. Budden, regardless of mainstream appeal, is a name Drake respects.


I think Drake has French change his verse, and the beef never brews and this will all settle down in a month or two. Like others said, Drake is a business man and has a great team around him. They're not putting him in a position to lose his crown, especially by someone that is off the mainstream map.

I pretty much agree with everything here.

I'd still love to see this thing play out and Drake say anything back just to see how much control he has on the game. He drops flames on that French track and it gets airplay I wonder if radio stations even acknowledge the sub-diss god's Budden jabs on there. Do they ignore it out of fear of backlash or open up Pandora's box into the barfest that will be Joey. End result more than likely ends up the same if its not a club track but I'm sure a few heads get sparked in the process because there's no way you can acknowledge Drake throwing subs at Joey and NOT air Joey's tracks. That then dominos into "never knew Joe Budden could spit like this" guy, and "I hate Drake" guy having something to hold on to. I know I keep going back to this but there's a new project from Joey's camp with him as the only one with say so on how and when it drops. Hot single with 2 credible mainstream artist on it (Tory Lanez and Fabolous). Any attention could be swayable.

Drake gotta be smart here.

[IllmaticHandler]

One thing I think heads is missing is that a battle is sometimes NOT about the fans. People keep talking about if the majority of the public will care. To me thats irrelevant. The REALITY is that Drake cares...regardless if he does not respond. He is being chin checked HARDBODY. He is a man at the end of the day, so he knows inside that he is being played. To me thats all that really matters. People forget that for the most part Drake is not fully respected by the people he respects. Drake is not a spring chicken, most of the people he grew up respecting, don't care for him to much. When that dude is alone, he does not brush this off. The dude got bodied in one week by Jay Z and Buddens... Drake knows that there is still is a large portion of Hip Hop that gives a **** about lyrics. The reality is if drake does not respond ,its not about business, he knows he can't come back hard enough against Joey. We all know Joe Buddens can out bar him lyrically. Drake Responds and Joe Keeps going. Drake right now is afraid to come back not hard enough.... He was a Bully With Meek cause he felt Meek could not hang with him Lyrically. If Drake comes back and kills Joe Buddens, it will be a power move for him regardless. Drake Stans eat up everything he does....if he don't respond, its cause he is scared to death of lyrically losing...that will hurt him no matter wha people think if comes back, and its not good enough. Cause OTHERS will ride that wave. You don't think Drake wanted to be part of that video with Dj Khaled and Future I got the Keys? man please...HELL YEAH HE DID...but since he is so corny, he can't be apart of it. He burned mad Bridges, going against Jay and Tidal. If drake don't respond, its cause he KNOWS he can't hang. POINT BLANK.

[tapshotta]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH4A_58r62g&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

kid is ridiculously talented.

does short films and paints also. deserves the light

http://www.loveachother.com/3249040-video

[IllmaticHandler]

She will body half the dudes y'all be listening too.....

Broooooooooklyn...


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi-OyIOl8V8[/youtube]

[Mecca]

I'll listen to those tracks when I get home. Lowkey disappointed no one is talking about Q's album. Ride Out my favorite song this summer.

[j4remi]

I know there ain't many hard body battle heads around these ways, but I think this is a sleeper. These two have really earned my respect. Bonnie is the only female battle rapper that is steady battling male opponents even though she's probably not the best female battler (40 bars and Jaz are monsters). She can hit when she's on too, but she's inconsistent with the bars even in a single round. That's what killed her here, Pnut combined angles with punch after punch here. Pnut been around since Grind Time, he was one of the first cats to go heads up with DNA when DNA was a young cat getting a major push but after that he really didn't get any big opportunities. Now he's run through a body of Xcel, a debatable with Dose and a clear W over Bonnie. It's good to see cats who've been putting in the work get reward.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=legdta-2MGY[/youtube]