Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability

[krikor]

Wade cares more about Miami Heat then any of us that posts here.

Enough insulting the guy, its pathetic how some were on durant bandwagon joining us..and forgot the guy that served us for so many years. There were those who had no problem to dump wade for durant, including some part of our management. Yet its wrong for Wade to ask for more money????

Is this a fact?

well, if u signed whiteside already...and ur courting durant for 27m.. it was pretty much going to be at expense of wade..
unless some were expecting wade to take 5 m.

[Vertical Limit]

So 38 years old pitiful Nowitzki worth $40M "thanks" contract but 34 years old, 12 time all-star, 3 times champ, one time real MVP, franchise legend, still productive and team leader Wade lowballed again, first 8/year, then 20... Forget presence at game-winning moments and everything just look at numbers in every category, raw or Advanced, he is still better than $120M Batum guy or 85M(new cap adjusted 120M) Dragic.

"Pitiful" Nowitzki is coming off three consecutive seasons having played 75 games or more, and each of those seasons still posting his career average. Yeah, "pitiful".

Meanwhile Wade has missed 103 games since 2011 compared to Nowitzki's 63.

[RexBoyWonder]

Wade cares more about Miami Heat then any of us that posts here.

Enough insulting the guy, its pathetic how some were on durant bandwagon joining us..and forgot the guy that served us for so many years. There were those who had no problem to dump wade for durant, including some part of our management. Yet its wrong for Wade to ask for more money????

Is this a fact?

well, if u signed whiteside already...and ur courting durant for 27m.. it was pretty much going to be at expense of wade..
unless some were expecting wade to take 5 m.

"some" had plans to move Dragic and Mcbob If Durant committed.

Alot of uninformed BS floating around.

[gom]

Wade cares more about Miami Heat then any of us that posts here.

Enough insulting the guy, its pathetic how some were on durant bandwagon joining us..and forgot the guy that served us for so many years. There were those who had no problem to dump wade for durant, including some part of our management. Yet its wrong for Wade to ask for more money????

Is this a fact?

well, if u signed whiteside already...and ur courting durant for 27m.. it was pretty much going to be at expense of wade..
unless some were expecting wade to take 5 m.

Oh, then you are lying?

[dancing2thabeet]

I would just like to ask mods to change the title of this thread. There is zero respect in what Wade is doing right now.

[gom]

I would just like to ask mods to change the title of this thread. There is zero respect in what Wade is doing right now.

Nonsense. Sometimes the road to respectability may have some weird turns.

[daniel3]

And to those that ask why offer Wade on day 1?

Because he might have accepted before he saw mediocre players starting to set the market left and right.

When you offer up front, it's you and him. When you wait on Evan Turner, Harrison Barnes, Allen Crabbe, and Nic Batum all making $17+ million a year along with Conley making $30+ million a year.

Perceptions change.

Exactly, in hindsight maybe that 3rd year he sought for last year wasn't such a bad idea. This should have been resolved before we even met with Durant and then you revise positions from there.

[dolphinatik]

Nothing wrong with what wade is doing and nothing wrong if heat pull the offer and move on. The days when 20 mil is not enough to be on the heat maintenance program.

[daniel3]

A: And yet part of it is the deal made with the devil about seeking concession after concession with the apparent promise of making him contractually whole by the end of his Heat/NBA career. While you could make an argument about having to overpay now, you could crunch other numbers that would show all the dollars left on the table based on previous productivity. You can say there shouldn't be such a thing as make-up money, but that seemingly has been the Heat approach for year. Give now; get back later. "Later" has arrived for Wade.

Even Ira gets it.

[Hallstar]

Nothing wrong with what wade is doing and nothing wrong if heat pull the offer and move on. The days when 20 mil is not enough to be on the heat maintenance program.

No, it's 26, ask Bosh

[HIF]

We have a friends and foes feature on this site. You can add me to the foes portion and you won't have to read any more of my "annoying" posts. Problem solved.

Nope, he can't. Mods (and former mods) cannot be "foe'd". Believe me, I've tried...obviously not for you

Never had to use that feature on a mod before. Thanks for the info.

Alright then HIF. Alternative option. Blink every time you see a post of mine.

I'll just wait until you get over this Wade situation. Normally you post interesting things.

[jagz]

People who are aligning themselves with Riley instead of Wade are ignoring the fact that, without Wade, Riley has a respectable career as a G.M. and nothing more. The Zo/ Timmy/ Mash teams won games, but it wasn't until the Heat made their only draft selection who had generational talent that the titles began. And it wasn't just his ability to lead but to lure.

Without Wade, there are no 2004 playoffs, no Shaq, no 2005 run, no 2006 title, no LBJ / Bosh, no 2012 or 2013 titles and probably no more Riley by this point, as he would have moved to to another job or retired. It should also be pointed out that if the Heat followed Riley's inclination, they would have drafted Chris Kaman in 2003. And the Heat absolutely WAS willing to swap draft picks with the Bulls for the #7 spot if Chicago had been willing to give up Donyell Marshall, which Bulls fans are still kicking themselves over.

I understand if there's no money to give him $25 M per, but from what I understand he'll take $60 M / 3 years, so what's the issue? Cap flexibility? Don't put that on Wade when the team has over $70 M each tied up in Bosh and Dragic over the next three years and Whiteside just signed a max. (And how much do you think Miami wishes it had agreed to give Wade the $45 M / 3 years he was seeking last year?)

And speaking of Whiteside, to the extent that his offensive productivity contributed to his deal, he owes significant thanks to Wade for that. So why the hell isn't he stepping up and saying he'll take $2 M less per year? If he does that, then Miami can do two years / $50 M.

[jamalkandur]

So 38 years old pitiful Nowitzki worth $40M "thanks" contract but 34 years old, 12 time all-star, 3 times champ, one time real MVP, franchise legend, still productive and team leader Wade lowballed again, first 8/year, then 20... Forget presence at game-winning moments and everything just look at numbers in every category, raw or Advanced, he is still better than $120M Batum guy or 85M(new cap adjusted 120M) Dragic.

"Pitiful" Nowitzki is coming off three consecutive seasons having played 75 games or more, and each of those seasons still posting his career average. Yeah, "pitiful".

Meanwhile Wade has missed 103 games since 2011 compared to Nowitzki's 63.

Have you ever seen his cute teen age girl defense , it is like a gang bang porn movie! He has averaged 17 and 18 in last two season but also his presence on court produces something like -17 and -18 for Mavs.

[dancing2thabeet]

A: And yet part of it is the deal made with the devil about seeking concession after concession with the apparent promise of making him contractually whole by the end of his Heat/NBA career. While you could make an argument about having to overpay now, you could crunch other numbers that would show all the dollars left on the table based on previous productivity. You can say there shouldn't be such a thing as make-up money, but that seemingly has been the Heat approach for year. Give now; get back later. "Later" has arrived for Wade.

Even Ira gets it.

Bull ****. Everybody here talking about poor Wade who has been sacrificing so much for the Heat but yall fail to realise Wade is already in top 25 earners in the entire history of NBA. 2/50 contract he seeks will bump him up to 5th all time.

[WiseOwlWins]

A: And yet part of it is the deal made with the devil about seeking concession after concession with the apparent promise of making him contractually whole by the end of his Heat/NBA career. While you could make an argument about having to overpay now, you could crunch other numbers that would show all the dollars left on the table based on previous productivity. You can say there shouldn't be such a thing as make-up money, but that seemingly has been the Heat approach for year. Give now; get back later. "Later" has arrived for Wade.

Even Ira gets it.

Bull ****. Everybody here talking about poor Wade who has been sacrificing so much for the Heat but yall fail to realise Wade is already in top 25 earners in the entire history of NBA. 2/50 contract he seeks will bump him up to 5th all time.

What he does outside his contract does not count.

[TroubleS0me]

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[PizzaLord305]

Your feelings on Wade are very clear but your repetition of the silly phrase "Kobe contract" is getting very annoying.

Wade is a top player in the league$25m this year and next year is a very reasonable salary for him.

We get it that you don't like him and wouldn't pay him the money but enough of the hyperbole please.

Dude, I love D Wade but he's like the 8th best two guard at best if we wanna be honest lol. He probably will drop a few more spots by the end of the year. Paying him that much would definitely be Kobe-esque. D wade is Kobe east essentially.

You're on planet Zog my friend.

If DWade is that poor I guess our progress to within 1 game of the ECF (without Bosh and Hassan) was due to the almighty Goran - is he even in the top 20 PGs? or 1 of our 2 rookies or McWabbits.

harden, klay, butler, derozan, McCulloum, Middleton, beal are all better players than d wade right now. Yes, goran is a top 20 point guard rather easily lol. He suffers in this system with all the isos d wade gets, especially those agonizing end of game ones in which we fool ourselves into thinking our only hope of buckets is old d wade draining the shot clock for bad looks when we have intelligent players who are perfectly capable of running crafty plays in which three or four guys touch the ball in a possession. D wade can fall off a cliff at any moment and we'd look like fools for paying him 25 mill to do it. If he wants his money that's cool I don't blame him, but logically the cons outweigh the pros if we're trying to talk ourselves into 25 mill for 2 years of wade and giving him that much bread only makes sense as a token of respect reminiscent of what Kobe got

[gom]

Even Ira gets it.

Bull ****. Everybody here talking about poor Wade who has been sacrificing so much for the Heat but yall fail to realise Wade is already in top 25 earners in the entire history of NBA. 2/50 contract he seeks will bump him up to 5th all time.

What he does outside his contract does not count.

His endorsements etc aren't being counted. His salary accumulated alone at 2/40 or 2/50 will place him at #6. It will probably be eclipsed by some scrub ten years from now, but that doesn't matter.

[Mos_Heat]

A: And yet part of it is the deal made with the devil about seeking concession after concession with the apparent promise of making him contractually whole by the end of his Heat/NBA career. While you could make an argument about having to overpay now, you could crunch other numbers that would show all the dollars left on the table based on previous productivity. You can say there shouldn't be such a thing as make-up money, but that seemingly has been the Heat approach for year. Give now; get back later. "Later" has arrived for Wade.

Even Ira gets it.

Bull ****. Everybody here talking about poor Wade who has been sacrificing so much for the Heat but yall fail to realise Wade is already in top 25 earners in the entire history of NBA. 2/50 contract he seeks will bump him up to 5th all time.

He won't be in top 15 after next season.

[gom]

Dude, I love D Wade but he's like the 8th best two guard at best if we wanna be honest lol. He probably will drop a few more spots by the end of the year. Paying him that much would definitely be Kobe-esque. D wade is Kobe east essentially.

You're on planet Zog my friend.

If DWade is that poor I guess our progress to within 1 game of the ECF (without Bosh and Hassan) was due to the almighty Goran - is he even in the top 20 PGs? or 1 of our 2 rookies or McWabbits.

harden, klay, butler, derozan, McCulloum, Middleton, beal are all better players than d wade right now. Yes, goran is a top 20 point guard rather easily lol. He suffers in this system with all the isos d wade gets, especially those agonizing end of game ones in which we fool ourselves into thinking our only hope of buckets is old d wade draining the shot clock for bad looks when we have intelligent players who are perfectly capable of running crafty plays in which three or four guys touch the ball in a possession. D wade can fall off a cliff at any moment and we'd look like fools for paying him 25 mill to do it. If he wants his money that's cool I don't blame him, but logically the cons outweigh the pros if we're trying to talk ourselves into 25 mill for 2 years of wade and giving him that much bread only makes sense as a token of respect reminiscent of what Kobe got

I agree. 2/50 is a terrible deal for any but sentimental reasons. Wade is well past his prime despite his choice in headgear. We're still going to do it though.