2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

SparksFly87 · Post #41 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 2:45 pm

Josh Jackson is the prize of this draft. A 6'8 shooting guard who is a absolute killer. He and Jahil Okafor are monster scoring options for Ben Simmons .

Kobblehead · Post #42 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 4:16 pm

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/smithology/2016/jul/1/josh-jackson-brings-alpha-dog-mentality-/

This is the type of stuff that hypes me most about Josh Jackson.

Unbreakable99 · Post #43 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 4:34 pm

What gets me about Josh Jackson is that he's the oldest freshman. Why is he so old? But if he's good then he's good. I hear he's not that good of a shooter and his form doesn't look good. That's not good. I want guys who can shoot. If Jackson is as good as advertised I would still take him though.

Kobblehead · Post #44 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 7:19 pm

It's a shame Cleveland traded Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love when LeBron came back. Had they not, we'd have some precedent to study and determine whether or not Simmons and Jackson could co-exist.

I don't mind that he's already 19. As far as I'm concerned, that just means he's closer to his prime years. Prospects don't typically start being contributors to winning until they approach their mid-20s. Which means that Jackson might only need 3-4 years of growing pains instead of the usual 4-5.

NJ SixerFan · Post #45 » by **NJ SixerFan** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 7:30 pm

Kobblehead wrote:It's a shame Cleveland traded Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love when LeBron came back. Had they not, we'd have some precedent to study and determine whether or not Simmons and Jackson could co-exist.

I don't mind that he's already 19. As far as I'm concerned, that just means he's closer to his prime years. Prospects don't typically start being contributors to winning until they approach their mid-20s. Which means that Jackson might only need 3-4 years of growing pains instead of the usual 4-5.

I bet LeBron is upset he made that trade as well.

Unbreakable99 · Post #46 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 8:13 pm

NJ SixerFan wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:It's a shame Cleveland traded Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love when LeBron came back. Had they not, we'd have some precedent to study and determine whether or not Simmons and Jackson could co-exist.

I don't mind that he's already 19. As far as I'm concerned, that just means he's closer to his prime years. Prospects don't typically start being contributors to winning until they approach their mid-20s. Which means that Jackson might only need 3-4 years of growing pains instead of the usual 4-5.

I bet LeBron is upset he made that trade as well.

Not anymore. He got his title. Who's to say Cleveland wins with Wiggins on the team.

Kobblehead · Post #47 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 9:37 pm

I wonder if Self will give Jackson a shot at being the primary ball handler. Frank Mason and Devonte' Graham are shooters more than anything. Neither are lead distributors.

Ericb5 · Post #48 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 10:39 pm

Kobblehead wrote:http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/smithology/2016/jul/1/josh-jackson-brings-alpha-dog-mentality-/

This is the type of stuff that hypes me most about Josh Jackson.

He strikes me as the guy that will turn out to be who we are all hoping for going into the lottery.

We would probably take him first, but perhaps a lot of teams would take Giles. We have to hope that they both have great years, and then hope for a top 2 pick.

Of course there are like 5 other players that are probably less than a full notch below those guys. The top 6-7 are going to be terrific if the present trajectory continues.

It will be the PERFECT year to have 2 top 6-7 picks, which is today probably a greater than 50% chance of happening.

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Daytonflores · Post #49 » by **Daytonflores** » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:49 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Does anyone still believe in Melo Trimble? After watching some of his highlights, I think I'm ready to grant him a pardon for his down year. He still shows flashes of something special.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgcwhaS5Fxk[/youtube]

Yes 100%, he's gonna be a stud BUT idk how he'll fit with Simmons specifically.. Idk how valuable Trimble is off-ball & he doesn't have the defense to make up for his potential lack of offense w/o the ball.

Kobblehead · Post #50 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 12:18 am

Daytonflores wrote:Yes 100%, he's gonna be a stud BUT idk how he'll fit with Simmons specifically.. Idk how valuable Trimble is off-ball & he doesn't have the defense to make up for his potential lack of offense w/o the ball.

There's no doubt that his nature is that of an on-ball player. However, I think he has off-ball value. It might need to be excavated, but it's there.

2014-15: 41.2% from three, 73.8% of 3FG were assisted
2015-16: 31.5% from three, 63.8% of 3FG were assisted

His shooting took a nose-dive because he got too pull-up happy. Playing with Simmons will put him back into more of a catch-and-shoot role where he can be deadly.

I agree that his defense is trash and a major concern. However, I think as long as you have quickness, handle and shooting stroke, you can start in this league and be effective. I think Trimble can be of the Brandon Jennings ilk.

Worm122 · Post #51 » by **Worm122** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 11:55 am

He need draft a SG first and with the Lakers pick we should draft the best point guard available

Ericb5 · Post #52 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 12:04 pm

Worm122 wrote:He need draft a SG first and with the Lakers pick we should draft the best point guard available

Or the other way around.

Who knows how the top 6 will shake out next year, but if we end up with 3 and 6 then we will be able to get 2 really talented players that will fit. Whether that is a forward and a guard, or 2 guards.

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Kolkmania · Post #53 » by **Kolkmania** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:08 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Josh Jackson is the prize of this draft. A 6'8 shooting guard who is a absolute killer. He and Jahil Okafor are monster scoring options for Ben Simmons .

Great talent of course, but he's a year older than his competition. Want to see something really special from him at Kansas.

Kobblehead · Post #54 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:04 pm

Kolkmania wrote:Want to see something really special from him at Kansas.

Agreed. A Shabazz Muhammad-esche year where the counting stats look good, but the advanced metrics are garbage is not going to cut it.

Unbreakable99 · Post #55 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:15 pm

I hope Jackson doesn't Wiggins his way at Kansas and doesn't live up to the hype like Wiggins didn't. I want him to be the stone cold killer I have heard about. I want this draft to be as deep and as good as possible.

Ericb5 · Post #56 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:18 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I hope Jackson doesn't Wiggins his way at Kansas and doesn't live up to the hype like Wiggins didn't. I want him to be the stone cold killer I have heard about. I want this draft to be as deep and as good as possible.

Agreed.

What we really want is for Giles to be the best player all year so if we end up second we can still get Jackson.

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Unbreakable99 · Post #57 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:23 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I hope Jackson doesn't Wiggins his way at Kansas and doesn't live up to the hype like Wiggins didn't. I want him to be the stone cold killer I have heard about. I want this draft to be as deep and as good as possible.

Agreed.

What we really want is for Giles to be the best player all year so if we end up second we can still get Jackson.

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I have a feeling that even if Giles plays like Chris Webber and has a good jump shot that the highest he may go is 2 because he has already had 2 ACL injuries. And the league likes more perimeter oriented players now.

Kobblehead · Post #58 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:23 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I hope Jackson doesn't Wiggins his way at Kansas and doesn't live up to the hype like Wiggins didn't. I want him to be the stone cold killer I have heard about. I want this draft to be as deep and as good as possible.

I'm fairly confident he'll be better than Oubre and Wiggins. Probably won't be as good offensively as McLemore, but should be much better defensively.

I feel pretty good about Jackson living up to the hype and being the best Kansas wing in recent memory. It appears that he has the motor and mentality that all those guys lacked.

Negrodamus · Post #59 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 5:05 pm

I honestly don't know why anyone goes to Kansas. Embiid is arguably the only one who exceeded expectations during the Self Era.

Kobblehead · Post #60 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:16 pm

Here are a couple of guys I really like as reserve PGs. Both are more shooters than distributors. The kind of guys we could be playing at PG with Simmons, going forward.

Derrick Walton

Jordan Woodard