Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

arkuo · Post #481 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:54 am

^ Hassan Whiteside must be shaking his head from the turn of events. Now he's part of a rebuilding situation.

Mr B · Post #482 » by **Mr B** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 5:59 am

arkuo wrote:^ Hassan Whiteside must be shaking his head from the turn of events. Now he's part of a rebuilding situation.

Haha! No kidding. Bogut will likely have a better year than Whiteside.

Darren · Post #483 » by **Darren** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:16 am

arkuo wrote:^ Hassan Whiteside must be shaking his head from the turn of events. Now he's part of a rebuilding situation.

He should know that. If he returns, all Heat free agents will move on. Bosh will never return. So KD will never consider Miami as a desination. I feel bad for him. He misses a great situation to sign with the Mavs. Good luck to him. Wish him all the best.

fuller4379 · Post #484 » by **fuller4379** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:16 pm

$47.5 million in Chicago doesn't seem to be much more money than $40 million in Miami. State income tax will eat away at most of that $7.5 million. I guess Wade got angry that Whiteside got such a huge contract for having 1 1/2 good years and they offered him less money than Whiteside. I think there has been some past problems between Wade and ownership. I think Wade was mad when they amnestied Mike Miller to avoid some luxury tax.

The situation in Miami does look pretty bad. Bosh is on the books for the $76 million over the next 3 years, and with Wade leaving they are left with Dragic and Whiteside. They have some cap space if they want to use it, but pretty much everyone has been signed now.

fuller4379 · Post #485 » by **fuller4379** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:23 pm

We can always send everyone to Whiteside's house and kidnap him until he signs with the Mavs. Renege on Matt Barnes and drop out of the trade with GS for Bogut. I don't think anything has officially been signed yet. :razz:

Post #486 » by **Dirk** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:45 pm

fuller4379 wrote:We can always send everyone to Whiteside's house and kidnap him until he signs with the Mavs. Renege on Matt Barnes and drop out of the trade with GS for Bogut. I don't think anything has officially been signed yet.

I was never really comfortable with Whiteside. He was the #1 free agent in most boards though, so I can't dismiss him, but he just had that vibe of the guy who wouldn't put in the work after getting paid. Honestly... I would have rather have Howard on a short term deal than Whiteside on his max. I may be wrong, but I just didn't see enough in him to feel confident he'd produce and be reliable. And of course, we're always talking about the short term window here: be competitive for Dirk's last couple of years.

fuller4379 · Post #487 » by **fuller4379** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:05 pm

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:We can always send everyone to Whiteside's house and kidnap him until he signs with the Mavs. Renege on Matt Barnes and drop out of the trade with GS for Bogut. I don't think anything has officially been signed yet.

I was never really comfortable with Whiteside. He was the #1 free agent in most boards though, so I can't dismiss him, but he just had that vibe of the guy who wouldn't put in the work after getting paid. Honestly... I would have rather have Howard on a short term deal than Whiteside on his max. I may be wrong, but I just didn't see enough in him to feel confident he'd produce and be reliable. And of course, we're always talking about the short term window here: be competitive for Dirk's last couple of years.

I was a little weary of paying a max contract to someone who was on the scrap heap two years ago. I agree that he might not play with a chip on his shoulder after getting paid. He could prove me wrong, but we will see. I was somewhat for signing Whiteside because he would bring some youth to the team. At least he got paid for 1 1/2 season of sustained quality play. Chandler Parsons played good on offense for a total of about 1 - 2 months here and got paid. Even though the Mavs look less potent of offense this year, I like this team better than last year because we have some defenders. We may struggle on offense at times, but we can make up for it on the defensive side of the ball.

Howard could have a resurgence. Atlanta needs to make sure to get him involved on the offensive side of the ball. He didn't like playing with Harden who is one of the most selfish stars in the league. Prior to that was a short stint playing with Kobe who can also drain your motivation. Under the right situation, I think you can get the motivated Howard who was a star with Orlando. Of course he does have some health problems now, but he did play 71 games last season.

Darren · Post #488 » by **Darren** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:10 pm

Well, I am not concerned about any risk at all. The risk is indeed created by ourselves. Indeed, all players are unique. All decisions comes with risks. Why should we consider a particular player a risk at all~!? That's ridiculous. Even if GSW signs KD, there is risk as well. I hate those dumb talks about risks. All great players require special ways to get along with. I just believe that way. Even Dirk is too humble in his younger play days.

However, when he forgo a better scenario for 4 extra million dollars, he is not too confident with himself. That's what I think. He'd rather waste his prime. Ironically, I am perfectly right. They lose all of Wade, Deng, JJ and so on. The Miami cheat management has not managed anything in the process. They just cheat Whiteside to stay. I am surprised Whiteside agrees to undergo the rebuilding process. At 27, great players usually want the best prizes in the league. I conclude that he's reluctant to put himself in the same category as KD as top-few players. I won't beat him for taking money financial security. However, I am a bit disappointed that he's not confident in himself. He misses a great chance.

Post #489 » by **Dirk** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:14 pm

It would have been an interesting signing, but the Mavs ran out of money:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/751069681876930564[/tweet]

SLATER · Post #490 » by **SLATER** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:01 pm

It would have been an interesting signing, but the Mavs ran out of money:

Ah, too bad... I agree that would have been interesting on the end of the bench.

Have the rumors all gone away for Jan Vesely as well? The Mavs had been linked to him a few weeks back... haven't heard anything. He has played very well overseas for what it's worth...

Post #491 » by **Dirk** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:09 pm

SLATER wrote:
It would have been an interesting signing, but the Mavs ran out of money:

Ah, too bad... I agree that would have been interesting on the end of the bench.

Have the rumors all gone away for Jan Vesely as well? The Mavs had been linked to him a few weeks back... haven't heard anything. He has played very well overseas for what it's worth...

There was a report of him wanting a $10 million salary to play in the NBA. I doubt the Mavs were every seriously considering him. The one guy who played in Europe who may make the Mavs team is Darius Adams.

Darren · Post #492 » by **Darren** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:17 pm

Please, no. Darius Adams can't play defense at all. He's easily the worst defender on the summer league team now. He's made throw the ball away quite often. He's average at shooing, though. I don't think he's any chance to make the team.

arkuo · Post #493 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:56 pm

fuller4379 wrote:Even though the Mavs look less potent of offense this year, I like this team better than last year because we have some defenders. We may struggle on offense at times, but we can make up for it on the defensive side of the ball.

I agree with this one. A little more improvement and this Mavs team can look like the Detroit team that beat the Lakers in the finals a decade ago.

-Deron can play like Billups if inspired
-Wesley needs a bit more but defensively he works as hard as Hamilton.
-Barnes is that long stretch 4 that can defend both wing spots. Tayshaun Prince right there.
-40 year old Dirk can be compared to Sheed 2003
-Bogut can anchor that defense like Big Ben did.

Not a carbon copy, but if it gels right, the team can still compete. Defense wins rings. We have a lot of that this year. First time in a long long time to have that many defenders in the lineup.

Darren · Post #494 » by **Darren** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 1:37 am

That's not the right comparison. By the time, the whole starting lineup of Detrior was ultra athletic. Hamilton was the weakest athlete in the lineup by the time. Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Tyshuan Prince and Chuency Billups are all athletic freak. And the Lakers was not comparable to Golden States who's the core at 26-27 year's old on deadly shooting. At least, Gary Payton couldn't shoot or defend anything. And Shaq and Kobe were declining and disliked each other. Not a good comparison at all.

ejs1997 · Post #495 » by **ejs1997** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 3:05 am

http://www.blazersedge.com/2016/7/7/12122708/nba-free-agency-larry-sanders-rumors-portland-trail-blazers

I'd still be interested.

Darren · Post #496 » by **Darren** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 5:31 pm

ejs1997 wrote:http://www.blazersedge.com/2016/7/7/12122708/nba-free-agency-larry-sanders-rumors-portland-trail-blazers

I'd still be interested.

Me, too. We need an undersized center in small ball lineup. I wonder if he's fine with min for a year, though.

fuller4379 · Post #497 » by **fuller4379** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 11:19 pm

No big surprise.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/751524956479959040[/tweet]

Post #498 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 12:07 am

^
Such a waste of talent.
Not many 5's are as athletic as McGee but he's content with life I suppose.

fuller4379 · Post #499 » by **fuller4379** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 1:28 am

HMFFL wrote:^
Such a waste of talent.
Not many 5's are as athletic as McGee but he's content with life I suppose.

McGee is a tease. All that talent but no desire. I guess those injuries sucked the life out of him.

Darren · Post #500 » by **Darren** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 3:29 am

I think it's a real test to Rick Carlisie early.

1.Lacks of effective drive-and-dish threat on the floor. Ideally, we need at least 2 in the starting lineup. But we only have 0.7 in Deron Williams. Matthews can't do it at all. Barnes has yet to learn this role. And we can't expect either Dirk or Bogut to do it. Though Bogut has some PG skills, he's not playing that way. Therefore, we still can't create space for shooters. It's more like we need the shooters to create spacing instead. I am not surprised we play some iso-postup early. We have quite a few post-up threat. Not a dominant one requiring double team, though. Spacing will not be too good due to lacking penetrator.

2.Lacks of proven big body when Bogut goes down. Bogut has missed a lot of game recent years. And indeed, he's some injury but does not require surgery. With him out, we have to go to battle with Powell, Mejri and Hammons. All of them have some weaknesses. Neither of them have a complete game yet. That's really a test for Carlisie to develop young centers early. Unless we sign miracle worker, Larry Saunders, in veteran minimum, we're pretty short handed with Bogut goes down.

If we can overcome this two problems, I can see us being as good as the top 4 team in the West.