The 2016 Offseason Thread

[thamadkant]

Marion or Kirilenkp are the types of oldies you sign to mentor Chriss and Bender... Because both arent inside scorers that Amare was.

[rsavaj]

trade Chandler for Frye
sign Amare
try to get Nash or Marion to unretire; if not, ask J-Rich. If he says no, bring back LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I don't even care what we do for the rest of the offseason anymore. It's not logical but bringing back Dudley and LB is pretty much the best thing so McD's won me over completely. He could trade Booker for a second rounder and I'd still say "at least Leandro's back".

man...I really love Barbosa

[Moochthemonkey]

It would be like asking Magic Johnson to mentor Charlie Sheen

[Qwigglez]

Love LB! Super humble guy. Definitely should be no chemistry issues like last year. Also, I could see us trading Knight for Okafor, maybe even trading Len at that point because McD doesn't want to give him that 18-20mil contract.

[bwgood77]

I don't think we tank when we have 4 over 30's as part of the rotation.

I expect similar themes as previous years where the veterens get trusted with the start to try make playoffs, then we start making calls on strategy around new year.

I don't think our plan is to tank but I also don't think all 4 of those over 30's are part of our plan either.

You know, thinking about it, I think Sarver was so impressed McD was able to get Bender AND Chriss AND draft Booker last year that he finally decided he wants to develop these guys because HE is excited about them and thinks THEY will get the fans excited after seeing fans getting excited about Booker.

So finally McD is given the green light to not make short sighted moves to fight for the 8th seed under one condition...we bring back some ex Suns that were around during our Nash glory days for fan support because he feels that between them and the young guys, that might sell tickets, and McD obliged with that otherwise I don't think he signs Dudley and especially not Barbosa for the sake of keeping his job and hopefully getting an extension (not that we won't start the season with vets to try and be competitive and see where we are, but won't sacrifice the future by overpaying avg vets and/or trading these young guys for above avg vets).

So this may work out well for McD in that he may get that extension sooner without having to make the playoffs or get close. I would normally think that another terrible season would cost him his job, but after watching this off season play out, I think it may not come down to that.

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[Damkac]

It's great Suns are finally rebuilding instead of chasing that 8th spot. It's terrible year for trying to being competitive. If you don't have very young, developing team or your team isn't named Warriors or Cavaliers, then you are in very bad spot.

[Qwigglez]

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[Kerrsed]

Some great memories here...

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All Night Long will always be my favorite.

[Qwigglez]

It's great Suns are finally rebuilding instead of chasing that 8th spot. It's terrible year for trying to being competitive. If you don't have very young, developing team or your team isn't named Warriors or Cavaliers, then you are in very bad spot.

I think we can fight for a 7th-8th seed.
Warriors / Spurs / Clippers
after that I don't think any team is overly dominating in the West. Not sure how the Thunder will play out without Durant. Grizzlies are interesting with the addition of Parsons but they don't have a bench at all, any injuries to their man guys they could be done like last season. Blazers really had a surprise season and I'm not sure they can duplicate it again, they didn't really nail anything in free agency, and I'm not sure how much better Lillard/McCollum can play. Dallas is meh, they always have a high roster turnover and Bogut/Barnes I think will get exposed. Did the Rockets get better without Dwight, I'm not so sure. Jazz/Pels/Wolves should be fun. After the first three teams, I think the West is very balanced and I don't see anyone winning over 50 games... as of now at least.

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All Night Long will always be my favorite.

Balls talk is hilarious. Shows how old the video is with the 3G reference

[JMac1]

Probably would beat our starters, tbh. Not sure what that tell us tho


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It tells us you are either ridiculous or angry.

Definitely not angry (love the signings of Dudley and LB) and I don't think it's ridiculous to think that 2nd group would probably outscore our first unit.

Not sure what crawled up your ass though. Sorry if sharing my opinion offended you.

Nothing had to crawl up my ass to disagree with you. Ridiculous means not serious and angry means you don't like the team so you will say something negative just to be express your frustration. Obviously something crawled up
your ass.


If you actually think those guys will beat the starters is your opinion, but that means I never have to seriously consider it going forward.

What if I said the Cleveland Browns are better than the Arizona Cardinals and meant it, then anything I say after that about football would not be respected, opinion or not, as if you didn't know. Then again maybe you don't.

[NavLDO]

That all you can come up with when he pointed out your contradiction?

What contradiction ? I don't see it. I questioned YOUR assumption on how stupid it would be to trade Bender + for Love, if in fact it led to Westbrook. And Miyagi extrapolates some wild ass comparison to Bender and Chriss being Allstars.



Believe me, I came up with more, but why bother? Nav would just word bomb yet another historical recap being sure to mention Dragic and spring wood on having a couple draft picks in high school.... Miyagi would would play his coy little color game and question why I hate the Suns .... and you'd tell me to find another team. Fun stuff eh?

Its clear here, I have riled you and few others by my alternative viewpoints. Is it the message or the messenger ?

First off, what is "word bomb" mean; I'm old and not hip to that jive, man...but anyway, it's been at LEAST a day since I mentioned Dragaic, and probably couple days before...DARN IT...you tricked me into saying his name again!

Seriously, you tell me 'word bombing' is and I'm already trying to shorten my posts.

Oh, and on Barbosa, I haven't read the reactions from you all yet, but I know I feel like that's a waste of money...UNLESS...Knight is being released, and in that case, I'm down, because I've always liked Barbosa, but if we go into next season with Bledsoe, Knight, Barbosa, and Ulis as our PGs, I will not be thrilled. I hope all these low budget signings mean something big (trade involving Knight) is coming...

[BobbieL]

Gotta be a trade coming.

Archie traded is the first thought.
Jenkins not re-signed -- which is Monday July 11. But I wonder if Jenkins has shown more than Archie to keep im
Tucker traded - a possibility but that pushes the team farther from the floor

or Knight traded. Pushes the team even farther

Price won't be back at this point I would guess

As for this move - I think its solid. Barbosa was very good for the Warriors. One year with an option, team, in year 2. helps the team get to the floor and also improves the bench. Very similar offseason to the Blazers last year.

The Suns got Dudley and Barbosa for the price the Bucks paid for Dellavedova . That's not bad.

[bigfoot]

Gotta be a trade coming.

Archie traded is the first thought.
Jenkins not re-signed -- which is Monday July 11. But I wonder if Jenkins has shown more than Archie to keep im
Tucker traded - a possibility but that pushes the team farther from the floor

or Knight traded. Pushes the team even farther

Price won't be back at this point I would guess

As for this move - I think its solid. Barbosa was very good for the Warriors. One year with an option, team, in year 2. helps the team get to the floor and also improves the bench. Very similar offseason to the Blazers last year.

The Suns got Dudley and Barbosa for the price the Bucks paid for Dellavedova . That's not bad.

Personally I would trade or waive Goodwin. He is such a poor shooter and a career 3point percentage of .227 does not cut it for a guard in the NBA. Jenkins on the other hand shoots .363 for his career and would be worth keeping around on his very cheap contract.

[NavLDO]

I think people will be shocked at how much better the Suns will be next season. Do not forget what Markieff did to the team last year. He destroyed the season. He was actively tanking games. When your starting power forward is purposely trying to lose, you are going to suck. He is gone now and the Suns have a fresh outlook.

This year the Suns have two rookie power forwards with enormous talent and potential instead of a disgruntled, mediocre power forward. They have a rising star in Booker at shooting guard. They are much deeper. Hornacek is gone and everybody is praising Watson. I disagree with the opinion that the Suns will be a bottom five team. I am not saying they are going to make the playoffs but I do not envision them playing as bad as so many people are predicting.

So, you are saying to expect a 12-14, late-lotto team next year??? Yeah, that will go over well on this board...

[JMac1]

I think people will be shocked at how much better the Suns will be next season. Do not forget what Markieff did to the team last year. He destroyed the season. He was actively tanking games. When your starting power forward is purposely trying to lose, you are going to suck. He is gone now and the Suns have a fresh outlook.

This year the Suns have two rookie power forwards with enormous talent and potential instead of a disgruntled, mediocre power forward. They have a rising star in Booker at shooting guard. They are much deeper. Hornacek is gone and everybody is praising Watson. I disagree with the opinion that the Suns will be a bottom five team. I am not saying they are going to make the playoffs but I do not envision them playing as bad as so many people are predicting.

So, you are saying to expect a 12-14, late-lotto team next year??? Yeah, that will go over well on this board...

If that happens because Booker averages 17-18 pts a game and Bender, Chris, Ulis, Warren, Len, Bledsoe, and even Knight are the main reasons and not Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler and PJ, then who cares? There is nothing you can do about it and you should be happy.

At some point if the young talent is winning, that's a good thing. You can't have a good roster and still expect the #1 pick.

The problem would come if we were fighting for a playoff seed and they drastically reduced the young guys playing time to make that push.

Don't forget, we got two top ten picks this year.

[NavLDO]

Okay, Woj Bomb

Why do the Suns need Barbosa with Bledsoe, Knight, Ulis, Booker and Goodwin?

Well, the Heat need a two guard

Riley is aggressive


Knight to the Heat perhaps for Justice Winslow

Zero reason to sign Leandro unless one of the above - specifically Knght, is moved. And I like the signing by the way

Winslow and Roberts for Knight and Warren

that's my Wojbomb prediction

We're going to have to give up a lot more to get Winslow. But if that does happen, I think I might cry from happiness...

Fact is, and I'm not knocking you, you at all here, but I do find it funny that we all want to sign every other teams' rookies and young talent, even if they had a VERY mediocre year, but Len and Warren (who played better statistically, in many areas, not as good in some others, than Winslow his rookie year), are 'throw away pieces' by a few here. Why is Winslow better than Warren, when Warren 'balled' last year, before the injury? Yeah, Winslow us a better defender, it appears, but that doesn't mean that Warren can't get there, yet he's been a 'throw in' in a lot of trade ideas...but Winslow?? Naw, he's a star in the making and we should trade a lot for him, so he can start?? Is that the idea?

I'm just saying, Warren has been darn good for us and is making progress when on he court.

[JMac1]

Okay, Woj Bomb

Why do the Suns need Barbosa with Bledsoe, Knight, Ulis, Booker and Goodwin?

Well, the Heat need a two guard

Riley is aggressive


Knight to the Heat perhaps for Justice Winslow

Zero reason to sign Leandro unless one of the above - specifically Knght, is moved. And I like the signing by the way

Winslow and Roberts for Knight and Warren

that's my Wojbomb prediction

We're going to have to give up a lot more to get Winslow. But if that does happen, I think I might cry from happiness...

Fact is, and I'm not knocking you, you at here, but I do find it funny that we all want to sign every other teams' rookies and young talent, even if they had a VERY mediocre year, but Len and Warren (who played better statistically, in many areas, not as gos in some others) than Winslow his rookie year), are 'throw away pieces' by a few here. Why is Winslow better than Warren, when Warren 'balled' last year, before the injury. Yeah, Winslow us a better defender, it appears, but tht doesn't mean that Warren can't get there, yet he's been a 'throw in' in a lot of trade ideas...but Winslow?? Naw, he's a star in the making and we should trade a lot for him, so he can start?? Is that the idea?

I'm just saying, Warren has been darn good for us and is making progress when on he court.

When you say that and then add Knight with Warren for Winslow, you are exactly right.

[bigfoot]

I think people will be shocked at how much better the Suns will be next season. Do not forget what Markieff did to the team last year. He destroyed the season. He was actively tanking games. When your starting power forward is purposely trying to lose, you are going to suck. He is gone now and the Suns have a fresh outlook.

This year the Suns have two rookie power forwards with enormous talent and potential instead of a disgruntled, mediocre power forward. They have a rising star in Booker at shooting guard. They are much deeper. Hornacek is gone and everybody is praising Watson. I disagree with the opinion that the Suns will be a bottom five team. I am not saying they are going to make the playoffs but I do not envision them playing as bad as so many people are predicting.

So, you are saying to expect a 12-14, late-lotto team next year??? Yeah, that will go over well on this board...

I think the other thing that people forget beside the Kief debacle and Hornacek bailing water on a sinking ship is the Bledose injury. He played in 31 full games with the turmoil between Kief and Horny before the injury. The Suns went 12-19 when he was playing and lost eight of those games by six points or less.

McD has signed two quality vets still playing well in their early 30's and should certainly help stabilize a broken locker room. And not to be overlooked is they are both excellent career 3 point shooters and willing passers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Suns hover around .500 this year if everyone stays healthy and the locker room chemistry improves over last year. Considering the Mavericks were the sixth seed in the West at 42-40 (barely over .500) anything could happen this season.