The 2016 Offseason Thread

[Villalobos]

iirc Amare was whining about his role on the Heat last year. Seems like a bad fit on a rebuilding team.

Doesn't surprise me. He would have a solid role with us. He'd be starting and he'd be adored by the fans. Another way to get people to show up, without damaging the long term goal.

I hope that means trading Chandler first.

God, the Suns would be so bad with Amare starting.

[bwgood77]

It's great Suns are finally rebuilding instead of chasing that 8th spot. It's terrible year for trying to being competitive. If you don't have very young, developing team or your team isn't named Warriors or Cavaliers, then you are in very bad spot.

I think we can fight for a 7th-8th seed.
Warriors / Spurs / Clippers
after that I don't think any team is overly dominating in the West. Not sure how the Thunder will play out without Durant. Grizzlies are interesting with the addition of Parsons but they don't have a bench at all, any injuries to their man guys they could be done like last season. Blazers really had a surprise season and I'm not sure they can duplicate it again, they didn't really nail anything in free agency, and I'm not sure how much better Lillard/McCollum can play. Dallas is meh, they always have a high roster turnover and Bogut/Barnes I think will get exposed. Did the Rockets get better without Dwight, I'm not so sure. Jazz/Pels/Wolves should be fun. After the first three teams, I think the West is very balanced and I don't see anyone winning over 50 games... as of now at least.

Memphis was firmly in 3rd of 4th this past year before Gasol went down, and then later Conley. They will both be back with the addition of Parsons. They will almost certainly be top 4.

[Frank Lee]

Hmm more trades to come? Talks of Westbrook in the air.... Add yet another combo guard. Ucla ties. Love's roll questioned. The ever present DCousins future.

Is it time for a/THE McMully haymaker? He's been collecting assets for just such a moment

That must make quite a few of you nervous.

[Moochthemonkey]

iirc Amare was whining about his role on the Heat last year. Seems like a bad fit on a rebuilding team.

where did you hear that?

Amar'e Stoudemire is taking classes in contract negotiations and sports business, perhaps as a precursor to becoming an agent.

Stoudemire has long been represented by Happy Walters.

Stoudemire has played sparingly this season with the Miami Heat.

“I had a pretty strong 14-year career so far,’’ Stoudemire said. “Right now I’m taking it one day at a time, one season at a time. I don’t know how much time left I have as a player. I’m just cherishing the moment and try to develop the young guys.’’

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239951/Amare-Stoudemire-Taking-Classes-To-Possibly-Become-Agent

[Djedefre]

Too much talent not to contend for the playoffs? Wait. Could you help me, please, because i’m having a hard time recognizing it. We could talk team’s potential and our excitement to watch the kids grow and improve, but this is western conference here guys. We may be loaded with potential, but turning it to a quality isn’t an overnight process. Name me the teams that you envision worse or with less PO chances in the west.

[bwgood77]

It tells us you are either ridiculous or angry.

Definitely not angry (love the signings of Dudley and LB) and I don't think it's ridiculous to think that 2nd group would probably outscore our first unit.

Not sure what crawled up your ass though. Sorry if sharing my opinion offended you.

Nothing had to crawl up my ass to disagree with you. Ridiculous means not serious and angry means you don't like the team so you will say something negative just to be express your frustration. Obviously something crawled up
your ass.


If you actually think those guys will beat the starters is your opinion, but that means I never have to seriously consider it going forward.

What if I said the Cleveland Browns are better than the Arizona Cardinals and meant it, then anything I say after that about football would not be respected, opinion or not, as if you didn't know. Then again maybe you don't.

JMac, I guess it means he is higher on Warren, Chriss, Bender and Len than you, and higher on Knight than most. A lot of people think Warren is better than Tucker and Chriss/Bender probably have more upside than Dudley, and Len could be better than Chandler this year. I mean, Tucker, Dudley and Chandler isn't a lights out front 3. You think Knight, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Len are as bad as the Cleveland Browns?

[Kerrsed]

Anthony Randolph Agrees To Two-Year Deal With Real Madrid

[Moochthemonkey]

Too much talent not to contend for the playoffs? Wait. Could you help me, please, because i’m having a hard time recognizing it. We could talk team’s potential and our excitement to watch the kids grow and improve, but this is western conference here guys. We may be loaded with potential, but turning it to a quality isn’t an overnight process. Name me the teams that you envision worse or with less PO chances in the west.

The Lakers and Nuggets probably will be worse. There's a lot of question marks surrounding the Kings/Mavericks/Rockets/Grizzlies/Pelicans/Blazers/Thunder/Jazz/TWolves at this point.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Too much talent not to contend for the playoffs? Wait. Could you help me, please, because i’m having a hard time recognizing it. We could talk team’s potential and our excitement to watch the kids grow and improve, but this is western conference here guys. We may be loaded with potential, but turning it to a quality isn’t an overnight process. Name me the teams that you envision worse or with less PO chances in the west.

The Lakers and Nuggets probably will be worse. There's a lot of question marks surrounding the Kings/Mavericks/Rockets/Grizzlies/Pelicans/Blazers/Thunder/Jazz/TWolves at this point.

Love the Jazz. Like the Nuggets - lots of talent, lots of depth, but weak starters at the 1 and 4 positions (and who knows if Gallo actually plays?). Grizz are thin and injury-prone. Pels need Buddy Hield to step up bigtime. Wolves will be better. I still think the Thunder are a playoff team unless - and maybe even if - Westbrook goes down or gets traded. And you never know about the Mavs with Carlisle. Boo.

I think we finish ahead of the Kings, Mavs, Rockets, Pels and Blazers. I recall blowing out the Blazers twice early last season before we fell apart. I think they overachieved last year and took advantage of injury-riddled squads (like ours) to make the playoffs.

[rsavaj]

Personally I'd love to see a team swing the from fences.

Make a Godfather offer for a Cousins (for example) and then trade for Westbrook.

You may be left with Westbrook and Cousins and 13 scrubs but you're also a 2017 FA like Griffin away from being the 3rd best team in the league.

I think Phoenix and Boston are going to try and do exactly that this year

[rsavaj]

iirc Amare was whining about his role on the Heat last year. Seems like a bad fit on a rebuilding team.

True, but maybe he'd feel differently if he comes back home. Dudley and Barbosa are showing that old Suns players still do love the franchise, and Amare has mentioned how he wants to retire in Phoenix, IIRC.

You could give him the ceremonial starting PF position even though at this stage in his career there's no way he can play more than 15 mpg.

Trade Tucker for a pick, Goodwin for a pick.

Bledsoe/Price/Ulis
Booker/Knight
Dudley/Warren
Amare/Bender/Chriss/Williams
Chandler/Len

[bwgood77]

Too much talent not to contend for the playoffs? Wait. Could you help me, please, because i’m having a hard time recognizing it. We could talk team’s potential and our excitement to watch the kids grow and improve, but this is western conference here guys. We may be loaded with potential, but turning it to a quality isn’t an overnight process. Name me the teams that you envision worse or with less PO chances in the west.

The Lakers and Nuggets probably will be worse. There's a lot of question marks surrounding the Kings/Mavericks/Rockets/Grizzlies/Pelicans/Blazers/Thunder/Jazz/TWolves at this point.

The Jazz were nearly a playoff team without much of a PG and added George Hill. Also added Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw. I'd be surprised if they didn't make it. Blazers will probably be a little worse but should make playoffs. Mavs are old, but Deron Williams, Wes Matthews, Barnes, Dirk and Bogut should be decent. Grizzlies should be a top 4 team in the west. They were 3rd this past season until Gasol went down and added Parsons. You could argue the others are possibly worse for various reasons.

[sunsbum]

Hmm more trades to come? Talks of Westbrook in the air.... Add yet another combo guard. Ucla ties. Love's roll questioned. The ever present DCousins future.

Is it time for a/THE McMully haymaker? He's been collecting assets for just such a moment

That must make quite a few of you nervous.

Yea, mcd gunna go sell all our assets for a first round playoff exit. Westbrook makes no sense here. Theres no point in trading for a star right now. MAYBE you weigh the cousins pros and cons when he becomes available but at what cost, and is he ever going to grow up?

I wouldnt be suprised if McD knew KD was leaning twords the warriors and evolved his game plan a little to align with the suns 4 years from now rather than waiting for that big piece to become available this year or next.

I also think that sarver has seen enough from past experiences to now in watching ryan get things done that he trusts his decision making. I believe Robert finally sees a clear roadmap (just like most of us) and he'll have Ryan under a new contract quite quickly to see it through.

[bwgood77]

iirc Amare was whining about his role on the Heat last year. Seems like a bad fit on a rebuilding team.

True, but maybe he'd feel differently if he comes back home. Dudley and Barbosa are showing that old Suns players still do love the franchise, and Amare has mentioned how he wants to retire in Phoenix, IIRC.

You could give him the ceremonial starting PF position even though at this stage in his career there's no way he can play more than 15 mpg.

Trade Tucker for a pick, Goodwin for a pick.

Bledsoe/Price/Ulis
Booker/Knight
Dudley/Warren
Amare/Bender/Chriss/Williams
Chandler/Len

Amare to start?

[sunsbum]

Too much talent not to contend for the playoffs? Wait. Could you help me, please, because i’m having a hard time recognizing it. We could talk team’s potential and our excitement to watch the kids grow and improve, but this is western conference here guys. We may be loaded with potential, but turning it to a quality isn’t an overnight process. Name me the teams that you envision worse or with less PO chances in the west.

The Lakers and Nuggets probably will be worse. There's a lot of question marks surrounding the Kings/Mavericks/Rockets/Grizzlies/Pelicans/Blazers/Thunder/Jazz/TWolves at this point.

The Jazz were nearly a playoff team without much of a PG and added George Hill. Also added Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw. I'd be surprised if they didn't make it. Blazers will probably be a little worse but should make playoffs. Mavs are old, but Deron Williams, Wes Matthews, Barnes, Dirk and Bogut should be decent. Grizzlies should be a top 4 team in the west. They were 3rd this past season until Gasol went down and added Parsons. You could argue the others are possibly worse for various reasons.

Henderson was a HUGE loss for them. They are going to have a big struggle replacing what he did.

I think the blazers have taken a step back this year. I dont like what they have done at all.

[Djedefre]

Thunder sure would be a curiosity, Lakers could be worse, for Nuggets i’m not so sure (they took 33 wins with few rookies, injured Gallo, added Murray...), but there is absolutely no way we are ahead of TWolves, Blazers, Grizzs, Jazz, Mavs, Kings, Rockets, even Pelicans if they could stay healthy. Our roster is full of potential and promise, but to expect to fight for extending the season is pretty bold, imo.

[bwgood77]

The Lakers and Nuggets probably will be worse. There's a lot of question marks surrounding the Kings/Mavericks/Rockets/Grizzlies/Pelicans/Blazers/Thunder/Jazz/TWolves at this point.

The Jazz were nearly a playoff team without much of a PG and added George Hill. Also added Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw. I'd be surprised if they didn't make it. Blazers will probably be a little worse but should make playoffs. Mavs are old, but Deron Williams, Wes Matthews, Barnes, Dirk and Bogut should be decent. Grizzlies should be a top 4 team in the west. They were 3rd this past season until Gasol went down and added Parsons. You could argue the others are possibly worse for various reasons.

Henderson was a HUGE loss for them. They are going to have a big struggle replacing what he did.

I think the blazers have taken a step back this year. I dont like what they have done at all.

Gerald Henderson? Why is that huge? He played less than 20 minutes a game with 8 points and 3 boards.

[NTB]

Love the Barbosa move. One more veteran to teach Knight how to be a good sixth man. Barbosa was and is an elite sixth man and Dudley was always a very good backup. Both of these guys will brainwash Knight to make him a good sixth man. Nice additions.

[rsavaj]

iirc Amare was whining about his role on the Heat last year. Seems like a bad fit on a rebuilding team.

True, but maybe he'd feel differently if he comes back home. Dudley and Barbosa are showing that old Suns players still do love the franchise, and Amare has mentioned how he wants to retire in Phoenix, IIRC.

You could give him the ceremonial starting PF position even though at this stage in his career there's no way he can play more than 15 mpg.

Trade Tucker for a pick, Goodwin for a pick.

Bledsoe/Price/Ulis
Booker/Knight
Dudley/Warren
Amare/Bender/Chriss/Williams
Chandler/Len

Amare to start?

Just as something to entice him; let him start but he'll end up playing <15 mpg

[GetYourPHX]

The Jazz were nearly a playoff team without much of a PG and added George Hill. Also added Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw. I'd be surprised if they didn't make it. Blazers will probably be a little worse but should make playoffs. Mavs are old, but Deron Williams, Wes Matthews, Barnes, Dirk and Bogut should be decent. Grizzlies should be a top 4 team in the west. They were 3rd this past season until Gasol went down and added Parsons. You could argue the others are possibly worse for various reasons.

Henderson was a HUGE loss for them. They are going to have a big struggle replacing what he did.

I think the blazers have taken a step back this year. I dont like what they have done at all.

Gerald Henderson? Why is that huge? He played less than 20 minutes a game with 8 points and 3 boards.

Agree with BW here. They overpaid ET but he'll replicate everything that Hendo brought to the team. If they retain Crabbe and Harkless they'll be better this year. If Vonleh can find some game and be a contributor for them, they'll be a scary group playing plucky basketball all season long.