The young core's real value

buriat · Post #1 » by **buriat** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 1:20 pm

A lot has been said about the young core. At this point JRich, Justice, Whiteside make up that group. TJ is in there if he comes back. I think it is too early to know on Webber.

What do you all think we have here? I am an optimist on this group. They are inexperienced yet they produced in pressure situations already. They had a year around a culture of winners and learned how to be professionals. I think they will all improve. Richardson and Justice can play multiple positions and Whiteside still has upside. I think a free agent next year who is a star can look at this group and see a big upside.

Am I overestimating what we have here or are they a good beginning for a rebuild?

RexBoyWonder · Post #2 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 1:51 pm

Good beginning, needs to a top draft pick this year.

Feels like we're missing that #1 offensive option type scorer. Those usually go in the top 5 of the draft.

BadMofoPimp · Post #3 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:20 pm

If Bosh gets back to healthy playing, the team won't be in a rebuilding position in my opinion. And, they still will be able to compete in the playoffs as well.

R-DAWG · Post #4 » by **R-DAWG** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:22 pm

Winslow is one of the top wing prospects in the game. I think he has potential to be a very special player if he develops a consistent jump shot. He's already a top level NBA defender.

Richardson showed a lot of promise over a short period at the end of last year. But it's unknown what his production and efficiency will be like if he's asked to be a starter, play 35 minutes and night, and become a focal point on offense.

Whiteside is a 27 year old max player. Hard to consider him a young guy because he's in his prime.

SlowPaced · Post #5 » by **SlowPaced** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:27 pm

Good enough to be a positive start for a rebuild, not good enough to build around. We'd need a high draft pick.

cyclix · Post #6 » by **cyclix** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:33 pm

Josh Jackson

Mos_Heat · Post #7 » by **Mos_Heat** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:35 pm

#TANK

HIF · Post #8 » by **HIF** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:43 pm

Time for a Whittington call up.

FlashFlare · Post #9 » by **FlashFlare** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:43 pm

Need to tank. Can't go the rest of this offseason signing a bunch of mcbobs and pushing us into no man's land. We NEED to suck this year.

Making the playoffs as a 6,7,8 seed to be bounced out the first round, to proceed to lose our picks to PHX the following years. Need to stop chasing pipe dreams, where the only pipe dream we hit on was due to Wade's connections.

Cmon_Son-_- · Post #10 » by **Cmon_Son-_-** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:48 pm

3 year rule. Superstars usually emerge after their 3rd season.

Prince Ali · Post #11 » by **Prince Ali** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:58 pm

cyclix wrote:Josh Jackson

Why the hell do you guys keep saying this kids name when he is the presumptive No. 1 pick and we wont be nearly bad enough to get him?

Cmon_Son-_- · Post #12 » by **Cmon_Son-_-** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:00 pm

Prince Ali wrote:
cyclix wrote:Josh Jackson

Why the hell do you guys keep saying this kids name when he is the presumptive No. 1 pick and we wont be nearly bad enough to get him?

We want to be that bad. :lol:

SCHeat · Post #13 » by **SCHeat** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:12 pm

-Whiteside is great but kind of "is what he is" at this point. all star, potential DPOY
-Richardson is a Danny Green type to me, don't see him as more than a (very good) starting SG
-Winslow is the X factor. He could end up anywhere between Caron Butler and Kawhi Leonard. This year will really show us.

So to me in two years that is a very strong 2, 3, and 5 on a playoff caliber team. We are missing difference makers at PG and PF and we could have a good 2-3 year window.

Dupas · Post #14 » by **Dupas** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:21 pm

We need a supersta. Someone that can impact the game both sides. Winslow aint that fo sure

cyclix · Post #15 » by **cyclix** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:41 pm

rio_grande wrote:-Whiteside is great but kind of "is what he is" at this point. all star, potential DPOY
-Richardson is a Danny Green type to me, don't see him as more than a (very good) starting SG
-Winslow is the X factor. He could end up anywhere between Caron Butler and Kawhi Leonard. This year will really show us.

So to me in two years that is a very strong 2, 3, and 5 on a playoff caliber team. We are missing difference makers at PG and PF and we could have a good 2-3 year window.

I see Richardson blossoming more into a star than any other player on the Heat, IMO. He can play 3 positions, unlike Green.

greg4012 · Post #16 » by **greg4012** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:03 pm

cyclix wrote:
rio_grande wrote:-Whiteside is great but kind of "is what he is" at this point. all star, potential DPOY
-Richardson is a Danny Green type to me, don't see him as more than a (very good) starting SG
-Winslow is the X factor. He could end up anywhere between Caron Butler and Kawhi Leonard. This year will really show us.

So to me in two years that is a very strong 2, 3, and 5 on a playoff caliber team. We are missing difference makers at PG and PF and we could have a good 2-3 year window.

I see Richardson blossoming more into a star than any other player on the Heat, IMO. He can play 3 positions, unlike Green.

I LOVE Richardson. He not only produced on both sides as a rookie. But he showed flashes of doing A LOT of different things well. His finishing around the rim on contested looks was really surprising. I see Richardson, at a minimum, developing into a Danny Green level player. And that is an amazing thing. THis season he was basically as productive as Danny Green's 3rd year in the league (when he emerged as a regular in the Spurs' rotation).

Danny Green is a good potential comparison for Richardson's trajectory. Another one I like (which is a little higher end) is Khris Middleton.

cyclix · Post #17 » by **cyclix** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:13 pm

greg4012 wrote:
cyclix wrote:I see Richardson blossoming more into a star than any other player on the Heat, IMO. He can play 3 positions, unlike Green.

I LOVE Richardson. He not only produced on both sides as a rookie. But he showed flashes of doing A LOT of different things well. His finishing around the rim on contested looks was really surprising. I see Richardson, at a minimum, developing into a Danny Green level player. And that is an amazing thing. THis season he was basically as productive as Danny Green's 3rd year in the league (when he emerged as a regular in the Spurs' rotation).

Danny Green is a good potential comparison for Richardson's trajectory. Another one I like (which is a little higher end) is Khris Middleton.

I get the fact that they block shots and can shoot the spot up 3, but thats where the comparison ends. Richardson is much more explosive on offense and has a decent handle... can run an offense in spurts. Danny Green cannot do that. Richardson more active on defense and has a quicker first step than Green.

puppa bear · Post #18 » by **puppa bear** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:23 pm

I am higher on J-Rich as well.

If we go full rebuild I'd like to see Dragic and Bosh shipped out, preferably netting us some decent pieces in the process.

My ideal (semi-)realistic deals would be:
Bosh to Boston for Brown/Amir/Jonas

Dragic to Sixers for Noel/Landry

Gives us:
Weber
J-Rich/Brown
Winslow/Brown
Noel
Whiteside
To build around, with a high (top-5) pick in the draft, then go hunting for Westbrook & Blake in FA. Resign Noel as a RFA, and boom we are rebuilt. Easy. Get Riley on the phone!

greg4012 · Post #19 » by **greg4012** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:27 pm

cyclix wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
cyclix wrote:I see Richardson blossoming more into a star than any other player on the Heat, IMO. He can play 3 positions, unlike Green.

I LOVE Richardson. He not only produced on both sides as a rookie. But he showed flashes of doing A LOT of different things well. His finishing around the rim on contested looks was really surprising. I see Richardson, at a minimum, developing into a Danny Green level player. And that is an amazing thing. THis season he was basically as productive as Danny Green's 3rd year in the league (when he emerged as a regular in the Spurs' rotation).

Danny Green is a good potential comparison for Richardson's trajectory. Another one I like (which is a little higher end) is Khris Middleton.

I get the fact that they block shots and can shoot the spot up 3, but thats where the comparison ends. Richardson is much more explosive on offense and has a decent handle... can run an offense in spurts. Danny Green cannot do that. Richardson more active on defense and has a quicker first step than Green.

I agree with you. Not sure why you're trying to reframe my comments into something they're not. I'm not necessarily talking specific skillset in isolation. I'm talking caliber of player and trajectory. I specifically mentioned that Richardson showed flashes of doing a lot of different things well. I distinctly remember Danny Green going crazy from 3 against us. But I also remember Green looking lost when he was chased off the line and challenged to finish at the rim. And that was in year 4 of Green's career. Richardson showed some really impressive finishing last season, maybe better than Winslow.

Richardson can handle the ball and do some things, but all the guys mentioned are primarily off-ball producers, moreso than creators.

Seems like you just want to spend your time talking about why Richardson isn't Danny Green, when no one else is trying to say he is.

RexBoyWonder · Post #20 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:51 pm

puppa bear wrote:I am higher on J-Rich as well.

If we go full rebuild I'd like to see Dragic and Bosh shipped out, preferably netting us some decent pieces in the process.

My ideal (semi-)realistic deals would be:
Bosh to Boston for Brown/Amir/Jonas

Dragic to Sixers for Noel/Landry

Gives us:
Weber
J-Rich/Brown
Winslow/Brown
Noel
Whiteside
To build around, with a high (top-5) pick in the draft, then go hunting for Westbrook & Blake in FA. Resign Noel as a RFA, and boom we are rebuilt. Easy. Get Riley on the phone!

I thin you're overrating the value of Bosh, but I like the general idea.

Get young now, don't waste time chasing the 7-8# seed dream.

Bosh really needs to have a good full healthy year if we're to get ANY value for him, I don't think we'll ever get the kind of package you wrote.