2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

deneem4 · Post #1841 » by **deneem4** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:12 pm

Jus because some players signed with others teams for a certain price doesn't mean they would've signed with us for that...
Curry knows if he break out the mavs is his and that's his best place to do it
Dedmon gets to mature his game with 3 of the best bigs in the game.
Nene probably was tired of us...

Etc...

TGW · Post #1842 » by **TGW** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:24 pm

deneem4 wrote:Jus because some players signed with others teams for a certain price doesn't mean they would've signed with us for that...
Curry knows if he break out the mavs is his and that's his best place to do it
Dedmon gets to mature his game with 3 of the best bigs in the game.
Nene probably was tired of us...

Etc...

so you're point is that the Wizards aren't an attractive free agent destination, and players would rather take less money to play elsewhere?

Well, if that's what you're saying, then I agree...

nuposse04 · Post #1843 » by **nuposse04** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:33 pm

TGW wrote:
deneem4 wrote:Jus because some players signed with others teams for a certain price doesn't mean they would've signed with us for that...
Curry knows if he break out the mavs is his and that's his best place to do it
Dedmon gets to mature his game with 3 of the best bigs in the game.
Nene probably was tired of us...

Etc...

so you're point is that the Wizards aren't an attractive free agent destination, and players would rather take less money to play elsewhere?

Well, if that's what you're saying, then I agree...

I think Dedmon would have been a fine idea to do before Ian. I think after we signed Ian there would be less incentive for Dedmon to come here and be a 3rd string center... unless he was in the know that we would be moving Gortat.

Curry would have been absolutely better for us, but because the Mavs seems to be devoid of anything... he may have an expanded role down there... so perhaps he can cash in on a bigger pay day by competing for the starting spot on the Mavs then being a backup to Wall here.

Overall though, it does suck we have have to seemingly pay more to land players. Grunfeld must be known around the league as a stooge.

verbal8 · Post #1844 » by **verbal8** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:46 pm

tontoz wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:We saw Nene play the last 3 seasons, more often than not we got on him for being constantly hurt or subbing out of games b/c he felt something. All of a sudden because he signed for less than $3 million, people want him back? Love Nene for what he brought to the team, but we'd be bringing him back, him being one year older and expecting a different result?

When Nene was here we were paying him $13 million/yr. His production was not worth his contract.

At $3 million for a year it would be. Certainly it would be preferable to paying $64 million for a backup C.

The problems as a fan with Nene were as a starting PF being paid $13 million/year. As a back-up center big for $4 or $5 million the same production(even slightly less) looks a lot better. I could see in his case that it might have been time for him to move on(on both sides), so it isn't so much Nene himself vs. an indication that solid depth is available in the $3-5 million/year range. As opposed to paying above than range for multiple years and a mediocre player.

FAH1223 · Post #1845 » by **FAH1223** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:55 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
keynote wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/751067206977478656[/tweet]

That is a heist. But I question how much PT Dedmon is going to get on that stacked roster.

If Tim Duncan retires, then there's a lot of PT.

Spurs just let Diaw go, so they need another PF.

They also need another SF to backup Kawhi.

Green and Leonard alone need more help on the perimeter guarding GSW...

dckingsfan · Post #1846 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 5:09 pm

TGW wrote:
deneem4 wrote:Jus because some players signed with others teams for a certain price doesn't mean they would've signed with us for that...
Curry knows if he break out the mavs is his and that's his best place to do it
Dedmon gets to mature his game with 3 of the best bigs in the game.
Nene probably was tired of us...

Etc...

so you're point is that the Wizards aren't an attractive free agent destination, and players would rather take less money to play elsewhere?

Well, if that's what you're saying, then I agree...

OUCH!

Error Afflalo · Post #1847 » by **Error Afflalo** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:30 pm

Marcus Thornton is back.

Post #1848 » by **nate33** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:39 pm

Error Afflalo wrote:Marcus Thornton is back.

A serviceable veteran wing on a vet-minimum contract. Now THAT'S how you acquire your 11th and 12th men. Other than Sato, this is the first genuinely good move of the offseason.

80sballboy · Post #1849 » by **80sballboy** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:39 pm

Error Afflalo wrote:Marcus Thornton is back.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMichaelCSN/status/751167278763257857[/tweet]

Post #1850 » by **nate33** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:40 pm

Attention CCJ!

Nate Wolters has been invited to the Wizards summer league team!

Wizman84 · Post #1851 » by **Wizman84** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:45 pm

Thornton is a good move, he's capable of big offensive outbursts.

80sballboy · Post #1852 » by **80sballboy** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:49 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/751157749665239040[/tweet]

Post #1853 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:56 pm

Farewell to uncle Drew Gooden. Was fun while it lasted.

80sballboy · Post #1854 » by **80sballboy** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 10:00 pm

So assuming Ochefu makes it, we'll probably have just one spot left for McLellan or somebody else.

payitforward · Post #1855 » by **payitforward** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 10:02 pm

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:I'm not trying to bust your b*lls, Gambit -- it's great to be an optimistic fan. But if you look at deals based on being an optimistic fan, then it's obvious that you have no chance of assessing them accurately.

Isn't the opposite also true? If you look at deals based on being a "pessimistic" fan, you also have no chance of assessing them accurately. Just sayin'.

Absolutely! If you bring an attitude positive or negative that's independent of the facts you can ascertain about a situation, then either way you can't assess moves accurately

(but, keep in mind, the Wizards always screw everything up! Just joking, Zards, just joshing - tho it does seem that way sometimes...)

That's why I've always applauded Ernie's moves when they look like the right ones -- even if they don't quite turn out. E.g. I think Beal was the right pick, even if some guys picked later have turned out better. I loved the Porter pick -- and have defended it and him repeatedly (as I also did Beal).

Sometimes, too, you just get lucky. Sessions gave us one of his best seasons (and part of another). Rasuel Butler, whose picture is in the dictionary next to "journeyman", played 1/3 of a season at an all star level for us.

I disliked the Sessions trade, because he had been playing really badly. I was wrong, and I have pointed to my mistake on my own many times. But, Sessions had played pretty well over his career, so there was reason to think that if he wasn't cooked (what I figured), he would be good. Just as I think Mahinmi will be quite good for us -- guy's a good player.

My reaction to our other 3 moves was negative, but it's not a matter of pessimism. It's a matter of a sober look at a player's history. That can be overcome, of course; things can turn out different -- e.g. Nicholson may flourish here. But, if I'm looking for a player to sign, then I'm not basing a decision on the optimistic thought that 'hey, maybe he'll be good with us even though he's never been good before.' I'm looking for a guy who has been good already! Doesn't that make more sense overall? After all, it's only a small minority of guys who were bad but become good, whereas most guys who were good last year are likely to be good this year too (adjusting for age, injury, etc. of course).

No one would mistake me for a pessimist in any other part of my life -- the opposite in fact. And I'm not pessimistic about the Wizards; I'm critical of Ernie and Ted, because they've done just a horrible job with this franchise. So, negative -- for sure, and based on analysis. Pessimistic -- no. I'm sure one day Ernie will be out of here. If we hire a GM with real skills, we can be a good team.

payitforward · Post #1856 » by **payitforward** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 10:04 pm

Marjanovic gone to the Pistons. He was terrific for the Spurs. Would have been a great choice for our backup C over Mahinmi.

tontoz · Post #1857 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 10:09 pm

Thornton's per 36 numbers at age 22 look eerily similar to Beal's.

pcbothwel · Post #1858 » by **pcbothwel** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 10:19 pm

tontoz wrote:Thornton's per 36 numbers at age 22 look eerily similar to Beal's.

Offensively, Thornton was really good at 22, 24, and 25. Defense was mostly the issue with him through out his career. And while Beal has not been good defensively, He's taller, longer, stronger, heavier, and more athletic. He also seems to care a little more about it, but that is subjective I guess.

siar617 · Post #1859 » by **siar617** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 10:20 pm

pineappleheadindc wrote:Farewell to uncle Drew Gooden. Was fun while it lasted.

Is he a good locker room guy?

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1860 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 10:37 pm

siar617 wrote:
pineappleheadindc wrote:Farewell to uncle Drew Gooden. Was fun while it lasted.

Is he a good locker room guy?

Very. For us anyway.