The 2016 Offseason Thread

[darealjuice]

1. If the Suns were to S&T for Hayward next summer could they give him 5 years or is that not allowed anymore?

2. What will his 4-yr max be next summer (roughly?)

1. Not under the current CBA, but a new one will be in place by July 1st of next year (or a lockout).

2. Recent cap projection is at $102 million, so his contract under the current CBA for us would be somewhere around $120 million/4 years

[bwgood77]

I think Barbosa was more a nostalgia feel good in a rough season move than a sign that a trade is coming. My guess is they chose him over price for that last guard spot.

I think that is also because they want to develop Ulis as a pg in the price role. Leandro also makes trading Knight easy. They could take a good young player and a bad contract back in a multi-player deal.


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If the focus is about the future, then Leandro does not affect dealing Knight. Leandro won't be around for that "future" anyway. You dont trade what you could argue is a young building block because you signed a guy in the twilight of his career when you're a rebuilding team.

I agree. I don't think we are planning on trading Knight. He has a good contract, and we have to see what he does in a far better environment than what we had last year. If he seems unhappy or doesn't like a bench role (if that's where they put him) then they will probably start seeing if anyone wants to offer anything worthwhile for him.

[bwgood77]

Idk why so many people are proposing wild trade scenarios. What is going on? Let's review the offseason.

The Suns draft Bender, Chriss, and Ulis. The moves are praised by the media and some proclaimed the Suns won the draft. Fans are excited and optimism about the franchise returns. A week later free agency starts and ridiculously bad contracts are handed out across the league. The Suns do not take part and instead sign Dudley to a reasonable contract. Two players that do not matter much to the Suns, Teletovich and Leuer, leave for other teams. Again fans are happy the Suns preserve cap space and do not give out any massive contracts.

Now for some reason I see people mentioning these crazy ideas. Let's trade Bender, Bledsoe, and picks for Westbrook. Let's dismantle the team for Cousins. Why didn't the Suns try to sign Wade. Stars attract stars. What the hell happened? Are some of you guys completely losing your minds? Outside of signing Durant, the Suns offseason draft picks and free agent acquisitions could not have been more successful. They needed young power forwards. They got them. They needed veteran presences to mentor the young players. They got them. This franchise is on the way up. Outside of championship contenders, I think there are probably several teams that would love to trade places with the Suns right now. Yet some of you want to tear it all down. And for what? Some joke of a quick fix that ruins the future of the team. I do not get it. Suddenly some people on here have become very impatient.

100% agree.

[bwgood77]

Isn't Chandler the player most likely to get moved? The Suns are suring up the veteran leadership deficit with players who are happy with a rebuild situation.

The only problem is the Suns would probably need to acquire salary in return in order to stay within reach of the floor.

Monroe or Henson?

I think Tucker is most likely due to contract and last year of contract and more teams likely wanting/needing a player like him.

[bwgood77]

So that's 3 out of 5...lol. So you are saying that the bench is better than the starters because you believe 3 out of 5 are better, yes or no?

It's not how many, it is about the totality of the team.....smh...again.

Got Damn.....the things people say just to try to prove a point, totally ignoring the reason why I said the guy was ridiculous or angry. But you don't go on record saying the bench is better than the starters, because if you did, the same would apply to you, but you didn't. be a man and just say the bench is better than the starters, not some 3 out of 5 bull ****.

okay, fair enough. The bench rotation is better than the starters in my angry ridiculous opinion.

Can't be both angry and ridiculous. You are one or the other, which is it?

I think I've seen you ridiculously angry at some point.

[bwgood77]

Love the Barbosa move. One more veteran to teach Knight how to be a good sixth man. Barbosa was and is an elite sixth man and Dudley was always a very good backup. Both of these guys will brainwash Knight to make him a good sixth man. Nice additions.

What I don't understand I how Dudley has not gotten more time as a 'stretch 4' type through the years, or played more in a starting role. Is it due to his T-Rex arms (6'7" wingspan on a 6'7.25" height Forward is pretty bad...along with his 8'6" Standing Reach)?

He did start for us quite a bit in the '11-'12 and '12-'13 seasons, but other than those two seasons, he's largely been a back-up. But with a career .399 3PT%, excellent career A/TO (1.7 career)and PPR numbers (.5) for a non-PG, and while not a direct correlation, those numbers are often found with guys with high BBIQs. His lowest TS% of .48 was with the Bobcats his first 1 and a quarter years. The same with his eFG% of .51. But outside of those numbers, they typically hovered around .58 and .57 respectively.

It also appears we was rarely a "1st option" for a team as a scorer, even though his numbers dictate that they might should have been.

Anyway, glad he's back, especially considering that he had one of his best years in the league last year.

Back then there were more old school bangers who would eat him up on the glass. Duds can't stay with wings anymore he is exclusively a 4 now

The ONLY real reason he played backup PF and then had to start was because they had Otto Porter playing 30 minutes a game and Oubre 10 minutes a game at SF and then when Nene got injured 12 games into the season and then Humphries 32 games into the season, they HAD to start someone else...but it wasn't because he was a good PF, which is why they traded for Markieff. I imagine if he's playing with Tucker, Tucker will guard the better player between the 3/4 and would also have a MUCH better chance at guarding a big 4.

[JMac1]

I'm pretty high on Warren and Len. Some think Knight will be much better when not hampered by injury. Many of us are very high on our rookies. Dudley, Tucker and Chandler are all decent, but none are really starting caliber players on a good team. If Knight and Warren got hot and Len cleaned up the boards, with the rookies playing better than expected, it could be a fun competitive game.

Regardless of what you think you don't need to overreact, make assumptions about how someone is feeling or insinuate they are crazy.

I didn't insinuate anything. I said exactly what I wanted to say. I didn't call his opinion crazy, I said ridiculous. Like it or not, I can use the word ridiculous. Please don't turn the meaning into crazy just to admonish me, thank you.

Edit: How did I over-react?

He said what does that mean?

You are ridiculous or angry.....far far from over-reacting. I guess any reaction that isn't acceptable is an over-reaction. pfft, smh.

I just don't understand how you can someone angry because they like our bench unit. Are you angry?

Could you stop making stuff up, please....... ****! He didn't say he liked the bench, he said the bench was better than the starters.

I said he was being ridiculous or he was angry and I explained in detail why I said it. Smgdh

[JMac1]

Btw. I love the bench and said we could make a playoff push.

[rsavaj]

Isn't Chandler the player most likely to get moved? The Suns are suring up the veteran leadership deficit with players who are happy with a rebuild situation.

The only problem is the Suns would probably need to acquire salary in return in order to stay within reach of the floor.

Monroe or Henson?

I think Monroe is pretty useless in today's NBA, which is why MIL is trying to dump him for nothing, but Henson isn't a bad idea

[JMac1]

okay, fair enough. The bench rotation is better than the starters in my angry ridiculous opinion.

Can't be both angry and ridiculous. You are one or the other, which is it?

I think I've seen you ridiculously angry at some point.

Dude.....smh...

[NavLDO]

Love the Barbosa move. One more veteran to teach Knight how to be a good sixth man. Barbosa was and is an elite sixth man and Dudley was always a very good backup. Both of these guys will brainwash Knight to make him a good sixth man. Nice additions.

What I don't understand I how Dudley has not gotten more time as a 'stretch 4' type through the years, or played more in a starting role. Is it due to his T-Rex arms (6'7" wingspan on a 6'7.25" height Forward is pretty bad...along with his 8'6" Standing Reach)?

He did start for us quite a bit in the '11-'12 and '12-'13 seasons, but other than those two seasons, he's largely been a back-up. But with a career .399 3PT%, excellent career A/TO (1.7 career)and PPR numbers (.5) for a non-PG, and while not a direct correlation, those numbers are often found with guys with high BBIQs. His lowest TS% of .48 was with the Bobcats his first 1 and a quarter years. The same with his eFG% of .51. But outside of those numbers, they typically hovered around .58 and .57 respectively.

It also appears we was rarely a "1st option" for a team as a scorer, even though his numbers dictate that they might should have been.

Anyway, glad he's back, especially considering that he had one of his best years in the league last year.

Back then there were more old school bangers who would eat him up on the glass. Duds can't stay with wings anymore he is exclusively a 4 now

Ah, thanks--good chart. I guess now that the game has changed, he's better able to use his strengths. But if asked to defend larger 4s, he'll likely have issues, but then again, if he's to 'old and slow' for 3s, I guess either way we'll just have to prepare ourselves, as we've often done in the past, for poor defensive 'outcome' (I won't use the term 'effort', because 'effort' is not his problem).

[JMac1]

Booker was just on the radio. The dude is so wise it's scary. Very well spoken. His understanding of the business and expectations of the rookies and season is profound.

We got lucky. What a leader this guy will be.

[NTB]

Booker was just one radio. The dude is so wise it's scary. Very well spoken. His understanding of the business and expectations of the rookies and season is profound.

We got lucky. What a leader this guy will be.

Where can I listen?

[JJ13]

What are we doing with the $15m in leftover cap space?

[JMac1]

Booker was just one radio. The dude is so wise it's scary. Very well spoken. His understanding of the business and expectations of the rookies and season is profound.

We got lucky. What a leader this guy will be.

Where can I listen?

Just google KTAR sports 98.7. They have the podcasts on the right and they are labeled. Under Burns and Gambo

[saintEscaton]

What are we doing with the $15m in leftover cap space?

Spreading the love around, everyone gets hookers and blow on the house

[darealjuice]

Booker was just one radio. The dude is so wise it's scary. Very well spoken. His understanding of the business and expectations of the rookies and season is profound.

We got lucky. What a leader this guy will be.

Where can I listen?

Couple interviews up on AZSports today

Devin Booker on Burns & Gambo

Marquese Chriss on Bickley & Morata

Earl Watson on Doug & Wolf

[saintEscaton]

He might be heading to the dank Nugs, so he can still blaze it. Saw those Oprah contracts and had to take a slice of dat pie
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/751133616546123776[/tweet]

[darealjuice]

He might be heading to the dank Nugs, so he can still blaze it. Saw those Oprah contracts and had to take a slice of dat pie
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/751133616546123776[/tweet]

More like Golden State so he can smoke good and win a championship without having to do anything lol

[nevetsov]

Barbosa and Dudley signings are solid because they are known quantities. They tick all the boxes we have right now. We know from experience:

- they are great chemistry guys

- they know their limitations as players and won't expect to be starters or be upset with minutes (Knight)

- they are willing to help the young guys and are not just talking the talk for a payday (like Chandler).

- they would ever speak out in the media about being unhappy in their roles.

We now have at least one short term starter/ bench level veteran at SG/ SF/ PF/ C and I expect Price to return once more moves are made.

Price, Barbosa, Tucker, Dudley, Chandler**. Bench guys happy to play 40 minutes or 14 minutes.

The rest of the roster is loaded up with youth and young up and coming vets, all of which seem to be happy except for Knight, Archie and **Chandler.

We are overloaded with young guard talent right now so I can see Knight and Archie being jettisoned for a future pick - we don't really need any more players right now and doubtful we could accommodate with appropriate playing time.

**The only alternative I can see right now is if we package them with Chandler to upgrade the veteran big spot. I question Tyson's receptiveness to be that veteran mentor and certainly don't see him in the same light as I see Duds, Barbs, Price and even PJ.

In addition, 2 of our young bigs haven't even proven they are ready to play yet, so while they will get some development time, I think getting a big that can still play and start alongside Alex and also play with Dudley would be a considerable upgrade. A big that can play will help our young guards too.

So I'm thinking either:
Knight, Archie for pick/s Laker pick returned?)
Or
Knight, Chandler, Archie exchanged for Horford

He seems like a level headed vet. Can start at PF next to Alex and play C next to any one of Dudley/ Bender/ Chriss. As an FA I'm unsure if Horford can be s&t'ed but with all this cap space floating around I'm sure there would be a way to make it work.

Bledsoe, Price, Ulis
Booker, Barbosa, Jenkins
Tucker, Warren,
Horford, Bender, Dudley
Len, Chriss, Williams

Good team now, great team in 5 years. All high humble, high character guys. A team you can easily root for. Balanced and set up for the future.