The 2016 Offseason Thread

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Yeah we really don't have any prototypical long athletic two way wings on this roster. That needs to change soon or we're going nowhere. The Junkyard Dog maybe a beloved community presence but he is no Tony Allen,

You just find every which way to have a problem with this team, don't you?

[saintEscaton]

Lets give my boy Larry Sanders a chance, maybe he has recovered from his crippling mental illness. What could possibly go wrong? Couldn't be any worse than Tyson

I had no idea he was making a come back. I hope some team gives him a chance if his anxiety & depression are under control. He was Whiteside before Whiteside. (Funny enough they are the same age.)

He might have to prove his worth again but I guess he's about another kind of green now

[darealjuice]

Yeah we really don't have any prototypical long athletic two way wings on this roster. That needs to change soon or we're going nowhere. The Junkyard Dog maybe a beloved community presence but he is no Tony Allen,

You just find every which way to have a problem with this team, don't you?

Although I agree he can be very pessimistic at times, I gotta say I've seen a bit more positivity from him the last day or two lol. He's not wrong about the wing issue either, it's something we will need to address in FA next year/with trades/in the draft (Josh Jackson/Jayson Tatum please )

[Moochthemonkey]

So that's 3 out of 5...lol. So you are saying that the bench is better than the starters because you believe 3 out of 5 are better, yes or no?

It's not how many, it is about the totality of the team.....smh...again.

Got Damn.....the things people say just to try to prove a point, totally ignoring the reason why I said the guy was ridiculous or angry. But you don't go on record saying the bench is better than the starters, because if you did, the same would apply to you, but you didn't. be a man and just say the bench is better than the starters, not some 3 out of 5 bull ****.

okay, fair enough. The bench rotation is better than the starters in my angry ridiculous opinion.

Can't be both angry and ridiculous. You are one or the other, which is it?

I can assure you I'm both. I'm inherently ridiculous, and quite angered by this.

That needs to change soon or we're going nowhere.

you've made it quite clear that's what you want though lol

[letsgosuns]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA 3 minutes ago
Sources: Portland RFA Allen Crabbe has signed a four-year, $75M offer sheet with the Brooklyn Nets. Bonuses could reach $83M.

[BobbieL]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA 3 minutes ago
Sources: Portland RFA Allen Crabbe has signed a four-year, $75M offer sheet with the Brooklyn Nets. Bonuses could reach $83M.

The Dudley contract looks better every day

In normal years, Crabbe would get the MLE - which last I checked was like 26.5/4 in 2014 or 2015

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA 3 minutes ago
Sources: Portland RFA Allen Crabbe has signed a four-year, $75M offer sheet with the Brooklyn Nets. Bonuses could reach $83M.

$19 million for 12.26 PER.

[darealjuice]

Brooklyn has to try to overpay these guys (Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe) to bring them in. They're young, promising RFAs on playoff teams that have space to bring them back if they don't get these kinds of offers. Billy King sold their future for the Celtics relics, they can't get younger in the draft without trading players like they did with Thad Young, so they might as well take swings on the Allen Crabbe-type players to get younger and improve.

[King4Day]

Brooklyn has to try to overpay these guys (Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe) to bring them in. They're young, promising RFAs on playoff teams that have space to bring them back if they don't get these kinds of offers. Billy King sold their future for the Celtics relics, they can't get younger in the draft without trading players like they did with Thad Young, so they might as well take swings on the Allen Crabbe-type players to get younger and improve.

Well said. I love what they're doing this offseason

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[saintEscaton]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA 3 minutes ago
Sources: Portland RFA Allen Crabbe has signed a four-year, $75M offer sheet with the Brooklyn Nets. Bonuses could reach $83M.

$19 million for 12.26 PER.

He went ham in the playoffs and of course you take a flier on his upside/youth when you have nothing to lose/ owing all your picks. Nets have accepted their situation as a sunk cost and won't try to stick it to Ainge out of spite. Its a better strategy than the Knicks/Bulls going after big name hasbeens as a promo

[bwgood77]

Brooklyn has to try to overpay these guys (Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe) to bring them in. They're young, promising RFAs on playoff teams that have space to bring them back if they don't get these kinds of offers. Billy King sold their future for the Celtics relics, they can't get younger in the draft without trading players like they did with Thad Young, so they might as well take swings on the Allen Crabbe-type players to get younger and improve.

Yes, their only hope is to get some team not to match. Miami will probably match Tyler Johnson so they can have a backcourt with Wade gone. Crabbe, that one will be interesting to see if they match with their likely expensive future backcourt.

[darealjuice]

Brooklyn has to try to overpay these guys (Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe) to bring them in. They're young, promising RFAs on playoff teams that have space to bring them back if they don't get these kinds of offers. Billy King sold their future for the Celtics relics, they can't get younger in the draft without trading players like they did with Thad Young, so they might as well take swings on the Allen Crabbe-type players to get younger and improve.

Yes, their only hope is to get some team not to match. Miami will probably match Tyler Johnson so they can have a backcourt with Wade gone. Crabbe, that one will be interesting.

Yeah I can see Johnson getting brought back after Wade headed to the Bulls. Word is that Crabbe was promised a starting role in Brooklyn and doesn't want to come off the bench anymore, which he inevitably would with Dame/CJ/Evan Turner on board, so Portland may not match/a sign-and-trade could be in the works.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Blazers just STOLE Festus Ezeli with that contract.

On the surface it seems like a good deal but man I have a hard time getting how horrible he was in the finals out of my head. Barnes sucked but ezeli was the worst dude in the floor. I thought Kerr made a mistake playing as much as he did.

[AtheJ415]

Looking ahead to 2018, who could Miami really get.

The key RFA's will be matched, so I'm assuming they won't get any of those.

As for UFA's, I'd eliminate Rose (he sucks), Curry (not leaving).

That leaves really just Griffin, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Hayward. I don't consider Ibaka a star anymore so I will remove him.

Hayward doesn't strike me as a Miami type guy, but I could be wrong. Griffin and Westbrook will have a ton of options, and Goran would have to be moved for Russ. I could see both going to LA or Westbrook going to NYC.

Point being, I'm not really certain Miami is going to meaningfully rebuild in time for our 2018 pick. I also am not sure that other big name stars are going to necessarily want to go there given what happened with Wade. At least not for any sort of discount.

[AtheJ415]

Brooklyn has to try to overpay these guys (Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe) to bring them in. They're young, promising RFAs on playoff teams that have space to bring them back if they don't get these kinds of offers. Billy King sold their future for the Celtics relics, they can't get younger in the draft without trading players like they did with Thad Young, so they might as well take swings on the Allen Crabbe-type players to get younger and improve.

Yes, their only hope is to get some team not to match. Miami will probably match Tyler Johnson so they can have a backcourt with Wade gone. Crabbe, that one will be interesting.

Yeah I can see Johnson getting brought back after Wade headed to the Bulls. Word is that Crabbe was promised a starting role in Brooklyn and doesn't want to come off the bench anymore, which he inevitably would with Dame/CJ/Evan Turner on board, so Portland may not match/a sign-and-trade could be in the works.

I'm not sold on Johnson. That poison pill is quite awful. Salary is broken out at 5/5/19/21 IIRC. I know it's a new cap but do you really want to be staring down paying Johnson $40 mil over the final 2 years of his deal. He essentially becomes untradeable the second that deal is matched.

[Djedefre]

What do you think will be the playoff margin in the west this year? I wouldn’t be surprised if 38 wins show enough for the 8th seed.

[thamadkant]

To those who wanted to sign Crabbe.. Lol

Close to 20 million for a player that is set to be role player.



Warriors have ruined many GMs.... 15 million bonus a year for an ability to shoot from behind the 3pter even if the rest of your game is below par.


Shooting is over rated.

Unless you can take 7 or 8 of them a game and hit 3 plus... Like Klay and Curry... And of course be able to hit them from 30 feet away and with a nano second look at the rim.


Because to me.... Even if you are a good 3pt shooter... Unless you are Curry or Klay... You wont shoot it with a defender on you... So I can shut you down bu instructing the defender to never leave you at all cost. 15 million additional a year for being a decoy.


Reggie and Ray Allen would be worth 30 million a year today if not more... Since these guys took 3s on defenders and made huge game winning shots in huge games.

[Ettorefm]

Larry Sanders? Really? The guy that cashed in and openly said he doesn't give a damn about basketball and never wanted to be in the NBA growing up?

Sure, what could go wrong? He sure as hell ain't just looking for another paycheck just to give up and retire again...

[bigfoot]

Lets give my boy Larry Sanders a chance, maybe he has recovered from his crippling mental illness. What could possibly go wrong? Couldn't be any worse than Tyson

Why do something crazy like this? We just got rid of two twin prima donnas. We don't need to risk instability creeping into the locker room. The culture the Suns are trying to build is critical.

[BobbieL]

To those who wanted to sign Crabbe.. Lol

Close to 20 million for a player that is set to be role player.



Warriors have ruined many GMs.... 15 million bonus a year for an ability to shoot from behind the 3pter even if the rest of your game is below par.


Shooting is over rated.

Unless you can take 7 or 8 of them a game and hit 3 plus... Like Klay and Curry... And of course be able to hit them from 30 feet away and with a nano second look at the rim.


Because to me.... Even if you are a good 3pt shooter... Unless you are Curry or Klay... You wont shoot it with a defender on you... So I can shut you down bu instructing the defender to never leave you at all cost. 15 million additional a year for being a decoy.


Reggie and Ray Allen would be worth 30 million a year today if not more... Since these guys took 3s on defenders and made huge game winning shots in huge games.

It will be interesting to see how the game evolves. I think this is correct that being a 3 point specialist like Klay or Curry.. hard to see guys duplicating that league wide.

I think Booker has a chance to be a good shooter. In Currys class - probably not. In Klay's area - I could see him getting close.

Warriors have lost Ezeli, Bogut, Barbosa and Barnes. Replace with Durant, West, Zaza and too be named. One thing though, Durants success will come at the expense of Klay or Curry.