Scott Skiles Conspiracy Theory

[drsd]

I think it probably was going down anyway before Vogel got canned. The way they are so all in on Elfrid and some of the youngins, I think they wanted to get rid of him anyway before he asked for a shipload of Brandon Jennings-like former players of his and lose half the fans.

If collusion is proven, Orlando will loose draft picks (plural).


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[npiper17]

NPIPER17....Not a Magic Wednesdayite? Surely?

Indeed I am

I love that you know the phrase 'Wednesdayite.'

Are you a fellow Brit?

[Shady Franchise]

I've actually had this idea cross my mind and frankly i think it's very possible that it happened. I believe this is part of the reason why Skiles contract was only guaranteed for two years.

I see what you did there....being frank.

[The Effect]

Makes alot of sense EXCEPT how did they know he would pick us? he was a pretty in-demand coach, to just assume we would get him would be a bit irresponsible

If that was the plan, id assume rob would of had a great back up plan, and not just one of our assistant coaches from last year

[Mike1989]

Didn't Skiled' contract include a no compete clause?

If it did and he quit, he would essentially be giving up the chance to coach in the NBA for however long that no compete clause lasts.

If he was fired, then i assume the no compete clause no longer counts and he'd eligible to coach again in the NBA straight away.

With that in mind, the pay off [if it happened] would be most likely to get him out of the way and accept however long the no compete clause lasts. Otherwise it makes no sense to up and leave and invoke a no compete clause, wait to be fired, because quitting/giving up looks just as bad as being fired, if not worse...

[locomagicfan]

Thoughts?

Skiles walked away from US$10,000,000.00. Who does that?

He got paid somehow. But based on your consiperiosy theory, GM Hennigan made a huge gamble. There was no guarantee at all that Vogel would ink his name. But it worked out.

So, in conclusion, I believe that Skiles must have colluded in this. Nobody walks away from US$10,000,000.00.

Nobody.



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David West= somebody who's walked away from $10M. So your "Nobody" statement is now invalid.

You are forgetting it was positioned as him resigning, yet Josh Robbins reported the magic still gave him settlement money. Why would you give somebody resigning another dime?

[chiefholmes]

NPIPER17....Not a Magic Wednesdayite? Surely?

Indeed I am

I love that you know the phrase 'Wednesdayite.'

Are you a fellow Brit?

I am indeed mate. Believe it or not I'm a Blade from Sheffield!!! Of all the places to find little piggy?!!! Ha

[Flannerz]

NPIPER17....Not a Magic Wednesdayite? Surely?

Indeed I am

I love that you know the phrase 'Wednesdayite.'

Are you a fellow Brit?

I'm not far from Wembley and managed to get a ticket to the playoff final. I hope you lot get promoted next season, you play good football.

[chiefholmes]

NPIPER17....Not a Magic Wednesdayite? Surely?

Indeed I am

I love that you know the phrase 'Wednesdayite.'

Are you a fellow Brit?

I'm not far from Wembley and managed to get a ticket to the playoff final. I hope you lot get promoted next season, you play good football.

Needless to say as a Unitedite, I do NOT share this viewpoint!!!

[Xatticus]

To me, that isn't a conspiracy. That's pure genius. To react on the given opportunity where you can clearly upgrade your coach, give the players (and fans) a better voice and removing the negativity and knuckleheadness. Genius.

Genius on the heels of stupidity maybe. I mean, if we are to believe that he was fired (which seems plausible) after year one of a four-year deal. The conspiracy lies in whether he was forced out or not. If he was, Orlando is paying off the entirety of that four-year contract. So according to the theory; a year after hiring him, the Magic are willing to pay him the last three years of that contract to just go away. That's kind of difficult to paint as a stroke of genius.

[eyriq]

You don't quit and get paid severance

[npiper17]

NPIPER17....Not a Magic Wednesdayite? Surely?

Indeed I am

I love that you know the phrase 'Wednesdayite.'

Are you a fellow Brit?

I am indeed mate. Believe it or not I'm a Blade from Sheffield!!! Of all the places to find little piggy?!!! Ha

Ha ha of all the places. Guess we'll have to learn to live with each other on here then :/)

I will say this: I'd expect United to challenge for promotion this year. Not sure about us - the league has gotten harder with Newcastle, Norwich and Villa coming down.

[npiper17]

NPIPER17....Not a Magic Wednesdayite? Surely?

Indeed I am

I love that you know the phrase 'Wednesdayite.'

Are you a fellow Brit?

I'm not far from Wembley and managed to get a ticket to the playoff final. I hope you lot get promoted next season, you play good football.

Appreciate that mate! Fantastic day out just a shame about the result.

[chiefholmes]

Indeed I am

I love that you know the phrase 'Wednesdayite.'

Are you a fellow Brit?

I am indeed mate. Believe it or not I'm a Blade from Sheffield!!! Of all the places to find little piggy?!!! Ha

Ha ha of all the places. Guess we'll have to learn to live with each other on here then :/)

I will say this: I'd expect United to challenge for promotion this year. Not sure about us - the league has gotten harder with Newcastle, Norwich and Villa coming down.

Yeah, I would expect us to challenge too, but have thought that for 5 years!! We never recovered from you lot piping us to the post when Evans went down! That's football I suppose?!

Yeah the Championship is as cloudy as ever. Can never tell how big clubs will react to relegation though. Particularly the "Big Clubs". I think your biggest challenge will be to curb the enthusiasm of the fans expectations. Last year you were able to "Enjoy the ride" and fly under the radar as underdogs. This season with footy being footy, the fans will be expecting nothing short of playoffs and a promotion push. You made a couple of decent signings though. As long as you continue to be strong at home you'll be there or there abouts, until some premiership club comes knocking for Carlos in Nov/Dec if you've made a decent start and Prem teams hit panic button. (Watford, West Brom/ Swansea/ Sunderland / Stoke etc)

[yoyojw17]

Conspiracy or not.....

at the end of the day.....this is me....

[npiper17]

I am indeed mate. Believe it or not I'm a Blade from Sheffield!!! Of all the places to find little piggy?!!! Ha

Ha ha of all the places. Guess we'll have to learn to live with each other on here then :/)

I will say this: I'd expect United to challenge for promotion this year. Not sure about us - the league has gotten harder with Newcastle, Norwich and Villa coming down.

Yeah, I would expect us to challenge too, but have thought that for 5 years!! We never recovered from you lot piping us to the post when Evans went down! That's football I suppose?!

Yeah the Championship is as cloudy as ever. Can never tell how big clubs will react to relegation though. Particularly the "Big Clubs". I think your biggest challenge will be to curb the enthusiasm of the fans expectations. Last year you were able to "Enjoy the ride" and fly under the radar as underdogs. This season with footy being footy, the fans will be expecting nothing short of playoffs and a promotion push. You made a couple of decent signings though. As long as you continue to be strong at home you'll be there or there abouts, until some premiership club comes knocking for Carlos in Nov/Dec if you've made a decent start and Prem teams hit panic button. (Watford, West Brom/ Swansea/ Sunderland / Stoke etc)

True - I'm afraid your past managers seem to have focused on signing older players looking for their last pay day. It hasn't worked out too well but it seems like Wilder is going down the younger, hungrier route.

Absolutely the expectations for Wednesday will be higher. Largest number of season tickets sold since the Premier League days. I agree on Carlos potentially being wanted by those in trouble in Nov/Dec. Hope we can hang onto him even though I thought he went too defensive in the playoff final.

Certainly would be nice to have Sheffield football on the up that's for sure.

[Magic_Kingdom]

Where was it reported that he got a "severance"? I've read a lot of amateur employment lawyers on here, and heard several on the radio, mistakenly equating a "separation agreement" with severance pay. Separation agreements in employment law can, and do, contain numerous items that have nothing to do with the employer paying anything to the employee beyond what they were due. In fact, a separation agreement could be just that -- an agreement as to how much is due/remaining to the employee per the terms of the original contract, because that might be ambiguous when the employee quits after Year 1 of a 4-year agreement.

For example, let's say the Magic agreed to pay Skiles a bonus if the team reached 35 wins, but the contract also contained a clause vaguely indicating that any bonuses would only be paid upon completion of the contract. There may be a disagreement between the Magic's lawyers and Skiles's lawyers as to whether he should be paid that bonus for the 35-win season. So they argue about it, and then reach a written separation agreement as to how the unpaid bonus issue will be handled. The agreement may result in money going to Skiles, but only because the Magic compromise on an amount that he would be due for achieving the bonus without completing the contract.

This is purely a hypothetical example, but it illustrates just one detail that may have to be addressed when a high-paid employee quits before the term of his contract expires. Some others:

-- How long his health insurance will cover him.
-- Confidentiality agreement regarding the resignation and any other internal issues.
-- Payment for meeting performance indicators despite early termination of contract.
-- Money (penalty, refund, etc.) owed back to the Magic resulting from Skiles's arguable breach of the contract.
-- Handling of any information deemed "trade secret" -- for example, draft strategy information, scouting info, player personnel rules/methodology/requirements, management issues, etc.

People tend to look at it one way -- if the Magic entered into a separation agreement, that must be because they were paying off Skiles. Totally inaccurate. Skiles arguably breached their contract by quitting after one year. He agreed to work for 4, and who knows whether there was a clause allowing him to terminate the contract early and resign at any point without penalty. Maybe the separation agreement addressed whether Skiles was going to be penalized for breach, and if so, how much? Or the agreement could have contained language indicating that the Magic were waiving the penalty, insisted upon by Skiles's lawyers just to make sure the team didn't go back after him later.

The point is, it is totally, totally false to assume that a separation agreement between an employer and an employee means the employer had to pay off the employee or give them severance pay even though they quit. It does not mean he was secretly fired. Alex Martins said in his interview about it that the agreement did not mean they were paying a dime to Skiles, and that separation agreements occur all the time and address all sorts of issues, especially when multi-million dollar contracts are being terminated early.

Finally, if Skiles was really fired, do you think he would have agreed to say he quit and take less money than he was owed? I mean, seriously? We're talking about Scott Skiles here. You think he wouldn't have told them to go screw themselves?

I think the truth is that Skiles was frustrated and disappointed, didn't agree with Hennigan's philosophy, and probably realized about halfway through the season that he didn't need this crap. Martins admitted that he knew Skiles was unhappy for a while. They went on the retreat to try to chill his ass out, and they thought it worked. Then a few weeks later he told them he was done. They were surprised, but at the same time they had been trying to reel him back in for a while. Skiles is a little bit unhinged -- that's no secret. You can read articles throughout his playing and coaching career regarding his tenuous grasp on sanity. No doubt there is more to the story than we will ever know, but I doubt it rises to the level of conspiracy theory.