The 2016 Offseason Thread

TeamTragic · Post #1801 » by **TeamTragic** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 3:33 am

If anyone even says the name Booker in any trades they should be banned immediately. Sound good everyone?

OGBAH · Post #1802 » by **OGBAH** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 3:39 am

Who would trade for Archie?
Heat? Nets maybe

BobbieL · Post #1803 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 3:47 am

OGBAH wrote:Who would trade for Archie?
Heat? Nets maybe

Well, if probably needs to happen by Monday if they want to keep Jenkins. If I recall, Jenkins was a better shooter than Archie

I am sure the Suns can get can a 2023 second rounder for Archie. I think Archie will eventually be a Corey Brewer type player but it took Brewer about 6 years in the league to figure out his skillset and learn to shoot.

blacksun · Post #1804 » by **blacksun** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:13 am

Hopefully suns fans reward this youth movement by being present in games and supporting the team better, just an affirmation to the management that this is a good direction for the suns.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1805 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:15 am

This time last year we would have traded for Gay to make the 8th seed.

Hopefully we are out of the trap of being a bad team getting bad players.

Post #1806 » by **batsmasher** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:29 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:This time last year we would have traded for Gay to make the 8th seed.

Hopefully we are out of the trap of being a bad team getting bad players.

These comments mess with me the most. We would have traded for Rudy Gay? Why not just judge a franchise on what they have actually done and not what you speculate happens (and likely doesn't) behind the scenes.

Post #1807 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:33 am

blacksun wrote:Hopefully suns fans reward this youth movement by being present in games and supporting the team better, just an affirmation to the management that this is a good direction for the suns.

If I lived in Phoenix I'd go to the games. Prefer no one shows up so I can buy nosebleed seats and then move down to courtside though :lol:

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1808 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:37 am

OK we traded for Knight and Chandler to make 8th seed.

And Gay is a similar type of player that would have fit that strategy a year ago.

I'm glad we aren't doing that anymore.

JMac1 · Post #1809 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:54 am

bwgood77 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

Exactly, that's ridiculously stupid. First of all, the Kings just drafted Papa, the Greek Center Freak with our 13th pick, and they have Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos and Skal Labissiere. I think they don't need Len, particulary when he will be a RFA and command way more than he is worth.

Why would a team like Sacramento trade for Tucker? He would leave there next offseason. Goodwin is trash.

So that leaves Knight.

If they were going to trade Cousins it would take a couple of firsts and one of Bender/Booker for starters.

And after getting through this Morris twin mess, the last person I want on this team is Cousins....(ok, maybe not the last, but the last guy I would trade a huge package for).

H Y P O C R I T E!

JMac1 · Post #1810 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:56 am

JMac1 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Three things regarding Cousins. Firstly, the Kings are not trading him. There are rumors regarding other players on the Kings, not Cousins. They want to build around him. Secondly, even if he was available, it would take a crazy package to get him. Knight, Tucker, Goodwin, another player, and picks is not even close to a good enough package. The Kings would want a King's ransom for him (no pun intended). It would cost way too much to get him. Thirdly, I do not want him anyway. No interest. Zero.

Exactly, that's ridiculously stupid. First of all, the Kings just drafted Papa, the Greek Center Freak with our 13th pick, and they have Willie Cauley-Stein, Kosta Koufos and Skal Labissiere. I think they don't need Len, particulary when he will be a RFA and command way more than he is worth.

Why would a team like Sacramento trade for Tucker? He would leave there next offseason. Goodwin is trash.

So that leaves Knight.

If they were going to trade Cousins it would take a couple of firsts and one of Bender/Booker for starters.

And after getting through this Morris twin mess, the last person I want on this team is Cousins....(ok, maybe not the last, but the last guy I would trade a huge package for).

H Y P O C R I T E!

Ridiculous and Stupid.... :nonono:

Just disagree with the guy. Don't say his opinion is ridiculous and stupid.

Edit

bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
JMac, I guess it means he is higher on Warren, Chriss, Bender and Len than you, and higher on Knight than most. A lot of people think Warren is better than Tucker and Chriss/Bender probably have more upside than Dudley, and Len could be better than Chandler this year. I mean, Tucker, Dudley and Chandler isn't a lights out front 3. You think Knight, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Len are as bad as the Cleveland Browns?

Ridiculous: deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd.

That is my opinion of Knight, Barbosa, Warren, Rookie and Len being better than Bledsoe Booker JD PJ and Chandler.

The Cleveland Browns did wins 3 games. They play in the NFL and they lost to the Denver Broncos in OT. I didn't compare the Cardinals to the Sun Devils, then you would have a point.

Saying or believing that the back ups are better than those starters is absurd IMO. And many times (probably most times) poster on this board are intentionally ridiculous because they are pissed, so to act as if I was tripping for saying a guy was angry or ridiculous for saying that the bench is better than our starters with a TBH included, is comical.

"Oh my god JMAC, how could you say/imply/ask that of a poster? They are always serious, never angry, and they are very insightful. Something must have crawled up your ass to think otherwise......."

Oh the shock of my retort.

I'm pretty high on Warren and Len. Some think Knight will be much better when not hampered by injury. Many of us are very high on our rookies. Dudley, Tucker and Chandler are all decent, but none are really starting caliber players on a good team. If Knight and Warren got hot and Len cleaned up the boards, with the rookies playing better than expected, it could be a fun competitive game.

Regardless of what you think you don't need to overreact, make assumptions about how someone is feeling or insinuate they are crazy.

JMac1 · Post #1811 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 5:10 am

I think this is the guy you were calling crazy? Correct me if I am wrong

Edit: My bad...STUPID.

Qwigglez wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Cards are falling in sac, is boogie worth taking a look at? If ever i was going to trade Len, boogie would be one of the few guys I would let him go for. I dont know if I would actually pull the trigger on cousins but this is one of the rare times (me personally) I kick the dust off the trade machine, and I NEVER get involved in fantasy trade talk.

I think we have the pieces to make a trade work. I'd give up Len just because he's going to get paid likely more than Cousins is getting now.
I'd do Knight/Len/Tucker/Archie for Gay Cousins. Give up both Miami Picks (no way Kings trade without getting picks, Boston would give up Nets picks if it could land them Cousins). Anything more, I'm not doing it.

The problem though, trading for Cousins is this "culture" that Watson is trying to bring to the team. I am just not so sure that McD and Sarver want another problem child to deal with...

nevetsov · Post #1812 » by **nevetsov** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 5:15 am

If Cousins goes anywhere I think Boston makes the best offer.

They could offer a package of Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, and the BKN pick. That would still leave them with a core of 3 all stars in IT, Horford and Cousins. Crowder is no slouch on the wing either.

Sactown rebuilds with a bucketload of youth, including Smart, Brown, WCS, their rookies, and the BKN pick.

Post #1813 » by **batsmasher** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 5:25 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:OK we traded for Knight and Chandler to make 8th seed.

And Gay is a similar type of player that would have fit that strategy a year ago.

I'm glad we aren't doing that anymore.

If trading for 23 year old borderline all star and signing a vet leader to lure another all star is your idea of chasing the 8th seed, then aight.

BK is weird because he's neither a "win now" player or a "lose now" player (although he got pretty good at the latter). I just think people underrate his potential because he sits in that no man's land of not being a raw youngen and not being a developed older player.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1814 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 5:33 am

Call a spade a spade, if you play bad, you're called a bad player, if you play good, you're called a good player.

Especially if you're on my team trying to improve and win a championship.

Post #1815 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 5:41 am

nevetsov wrote:If Cousins goes anywhere I think Boston makes the best offer.

They could offer a package of Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, and the BKN pick. That would still leave them with a core of 3 all stars in IT, Horford and Cousins. Crowder is no slouch on the wing either.

Sactown rebuilds with a bucketload of youth, including Smart, Brown, WCS, their rookies, and the BKN pick.

Not sure if Brown was that high on Kings board. If Kings were smart, they'd wait to see how Brown plays during the season, and possibly make a trade mid-season if they like his potential then.
I think they'd like Smart though, they seemed to enjoy Rondo who is also a PG that can't shoot.

asudevil · Post #1816 » by **asudevil** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 6:02 am

nevetsov wrote:If Cousins goes anywhere I think Boston makes the best offer.

They could offer a package of Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, and the BKN pick. That would still leave them with a core of 3 all stars in IT, Horford and Cousins. Crowder is no slouch on the wing either.

Sactown rebuilds with a bucketload of youth, including Smart, Brown, WCS, their rookies, and the BKN pick.

I'm not sure that's such an amazing deal. Brooklyn has signed their way to being a treadmill team this season. And for them, that's not a bad place to be as their pick situation is pretty bad.

But i would not be surprised if they ended up putting together a somewhat competitive team for a few years. A month ago Brooklyn was a sure fire bottom 3 team.

Lyn/Crabbe/Johnson/Booker are not terrible players. And honestly it's a decent starting lineup with potential. While not a good team, i dont see them as top5 BAD right now.

In no particular order:

Suns/Rockets/Kings/Lakers/Mavs/Heat/Nuggets/Knicks (i have no faith in that team STILL). Yes, Brook could be worse than some of these, but at the moment i wouldnt put Cousins on the table as the all-in bet.

To add IMO:
IF (and i'm not even advocating this) the suns were to trade: Bender/Knight/Booker/Sun's 2017, it EASILY beats Smart/Brown/BKN 2017.

Bender = Brown - Both have promise and questions
Knight vs. Smart - Knight makes more money, but is cheap for years.
Sun's 2017 vs. BKN 2017 - i could see the sun's pick being better than BKN today.

Throwing Booker into the mix would just lopside what we could offer by 10 fold.

So in no way-shape-or form is a package of Smart/Brown/BKN better than what the suns (hopefully will not) offer.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1817 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 6:13 am

Horford, Cousins, Thomas and 12 scrubs is probably Westbrook in FA away from being the 3nd best team in the NBA.

Cleveland bench - Williams, Shumpert, Dunleavy, Frye, Kuan
GSW bench - Livingstone, McCaw, Iguodala, West, Varejao
Spurs bench - Mills, Ginobilli, Anderson, Dedman, Marjanovic

Any contender can fill a bench if needed.

sunsbum · Post #1818 » by **sunsbum** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 6:41 am

I think our team would be much better than the celtics with boogie. Booker/Boog/Bledsoe faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar greater than IT/Horford/Boogie. Horford would just gum things up in the middle while booker/bledsoe would create space for him. We also have a better young core than they do.

NBA Fiend · Post #1819 » by **NBA Fiend** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 9:20 am

Things we know in regards to Cousins and the Kings. There is no way in the name gods green earth at the Kings will have any playoff success in the next two years. Cousins contract expires in two years and I would have a better chance of becoming an NBA All-Star than Cousins re-signing with the Kings. If the Kings owner has any sense of sanity he will trade Cousins by this deadline and I fully expect Boston and Phoenix to go to extreme measures to acquire him. If the Kings don't trade him they will be in the same boat as Oklahoma is in regards to Westbrook this year. Now I am not advocating the Suns selling the farm for Cousins because he could very well leave the Suns also.

I would expect the Kings to evaluate potential talent coming in for Cousins up until the trade deadline. So without further ado this is what I think McD is hoping to swing. Something along the lines of these players with picks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hu78on6

Obviously Ainge has that Brooklyn pick to go along with a selection of these players. I am not saying all the players I am saying a selection of some of these players. Ironically enough Cousins and Thomas will be reunited once again.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hnqv5ev

Maybe TJ comes out and looks like a man possessed and sets the leauge on fire or Len pulls himself together. Perhaps Jaylen Brown becomes a Paul George Kawai/Leonard hybrid. Or Brandon Knight starts amassing triple doubles left and right. Once again just a topic of conversation in regards to what McD may have planned. And as always thank you for your continued support.

NTB · Post #1820 » by **NTB** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 10:23 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlEpgL9eqCE[/youtube]

Lol wow guys have you seen this? I didn't know anything about this channel and this video just appeared when I was on Youtube. It is pretty cool.

Will we trade Chandler, Knight or Tucker?