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Re: Random Rumor Thread: Post em here 

Post#1341 » by ckchen » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:12 pm

Smitty731 wrote:
kriss73 wrote:No harm here, but I think somebody have to write this motto on Ainge's office walls: "You have to give to get".
Then, we will see a Boston trade sooner than later. Maybe. :D


He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

But in general, your comment is fair. I think he tries the old quantity over quality method.


I think the other problem is that Ainge and the fan base don't see that while he consistently tries to lowball all other teams in offers that he's bumping up against a serious roster space issue, and needs to unload players just as much, if not more than everyone else in the league. The team currently didn't even the roster spaces to sign anymore than two of their picks from this year (let alone 3 or 4 2nd rounders they drafted). And yet they insist on hoarding or refusing to consider dealing their future first round picks. They won't even have roster spaces to keep all of these guys and everyone knows it. That's how ainge has gotten stuck two years in a row drafting every single hoarded pick. Basically he has to deal picks and players or face the idea of having to waive or lose the rights to all of these players.
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Re: Random Rumor Thread: Post em here 

Post#1342 » by kriss73 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:13 pm

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kriss73 wrote:No harm here, but I think somebody have to write this motto on Ainge's office walls: "You have to give to get".
Then, we will see a Boston trade sooner than later. Maybe. :D


He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

But in general, your comment is fair. I think he tries the old quantity over quality method.


In spite of my affiliation, I admire Ainge when It comes down to trade players.
But starting from Draft night 2015, I heard numbers of trade rumors coming out from Boston, with multiple teams.
The result? No trade until today.

So, one of the two:
- every GM in the league is trying to rob Ainge;
- Ainge is playing hard ball with every other GM.

I understand the consolidation game, but at the end of the day, every trade is quality for quality.
Maybe current quality for potential future quality, but that is.
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Re: Random Rumor Thread: Post em here 

Post#1343 » by HartfordWhalers » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:16 pm

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kriss73 wrote:No harm here, but I think somebody have to write this motto on Ainge's office walls: "You have to give to get".
Then, we will see a Boston trade sooner than later. Maybe. :D


He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

But in general, your comment is fair. I think he tries the old quantity over quality method.


I show Ainge with:
4 last year
3 the year before
4 the year before that

Spoiler:
June 23, 2016 Trade
Traded Deyonta Davis and Rade Zagorac to the Memphis Grizzlies for a 2019 1st round draft pick. 2019 1st-rd pick is protected pick from LAC

July 27, 2015 Trade
Traded a 2019 2nd round draft pick to the Miami Heat for Zoran Dragic and a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Protected pick)

July 14, 2015 Trade
Traded cash to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Perry Jones, cash and a 2019 2nd round draft pick. (2nd round pick to the Thunder is conditional)

July 9, 2015 Trade
Traded Chris Babb and Gerald Wallace to the Golden State Warriors for David Lee.

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July 10, 2014 Trade
As part of a 3-team trade, the Boston Celtics traded a future 2nd round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Brooklyn Nets traded Marcus Thornton to the Boston Celtics; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Tyler Zeller and a future 1st round draft pick to the Boston Celtics; and the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Jarrett Jack and Sergey Karasev to the Brooklyn Nets. (Boston's acquired 1st-round pick is protected from 2016-2018, unprotected in 2019. Cleveland also receives draft rights to Ilkan Karaman, Christian Drejer, and Edin Bavcic from Brooklyn.)

July 19, 2014 Trade
Traded Kris Humphries to the Washington Wizards for a trade exception and a 2015 2nd round draft pick. (Boston's acquired 2015 2nd-round pick was protected and not conveyed.)

September 25, 2014 Trade
Traded Keith Bogans, a 2015 2nd round draft pick and a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers for John Lucas III, Erik Murphy, Dwight Powell, Malcolm Thomas, a 2016 2nd round draft pick and a 2017 2nd round draft pick. (Cleveland's acquired draft picks are top-55 protected.)

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July 12, 2013 Trade
Traded Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White to the Brooklyn Nets for Keith Bogans, MarShon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Kris Joseph, Gerald Wallace, a 2014 1st round draft pick (James Young was later selected), a 2016 1st round draft pick and a 2018 1st round draft pick. Boston has the option to swap 1st round draft picks with Brooklyn in 2017.

August 15, 2013 Trade
Traded Fab Melo and cash to the Memphis Grizzlies for Donte Greene.

January 7, 2014 Trade
As part of a 3-team trade, the Boston Celtics traded Courtney Lee and a 2016 2nd round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Memphis Grizzlies traded Jerryd Bayless to the Boston Celtics; the Memphis Grizzlies traded a 2014 2nd round draft pick and a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder; the Oklahoma City Thunder traded Ryan Gomes to the Boston Celtics; and the Oklahoma City Thunder traded cash to the Memphis Grizzlies. (2014 2nd-rd pick was top-50 and 56-60 protected and was not conveyed) (2017 2nd-rd pick is top-35 protected in 2017 & unprotected in 2018)

January 15, 2014 Trade
As part of a 3-team trade, the Boston Celtics traded MarShon Brooks and Jordan Crawford to the Golden State Warriors; the Golden State Warriors traded Toney Douglas to the Miami Heat; and the Miami Heat traded Joel Anthony, cash, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Jordan Mickey was later selected) and a 2016 1st round draft pick to the Boston Celtics.


And Philly with:
3 last year
12 the year before
9 the year before that

Spoiler:
December 24, 2015 Trade
Traded a 2016 2nd round draft pick and a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the New Orleans Pelicans for Ish Smith. (2016 2nd-Rd pick is DEN's pick)

July 31, 2015 Trade
Traded Jason Thompson to the Golden State Warriors for Gerald Wallace. (PHI also gets rights to swap MIA or OKC 2016 1st Rd Pick for GSW 2016 1st Rd pick)

July 9, 2015 Trade
Traded Arturas Gudaitis, Luka Mitrovic and Future 2nd-round pick to the Sacramento Kings for Carl Landry, Nik Stauskas, Jason Thompson and a 2018 1st round draft pick. Also rights to swap 1st rounder in 2016 or 2017

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August 23, 2014 Trade
As part of a 3-team trade, the Philadelphia 76ers traded Thaddeus Young to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins and a trade exception to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded a 2016 1st round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Kevin Love to the Cleveland Cavaliers; and the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Luc Mbah a Moute and Alexey Shved to the Philadelphia 76ers.

August 26, 2014 Trade
Traded a trade exception and a 2015 2nd round draft pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Hasheem Thabeet and cash. (The Thunder's acquired 2015 2nd-round pick is protected.)

September 27, 2014 Trade
Traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Keith Bogans and a 2018 2nd round draft pick. (The 2015 pick is protected.)

October 24, 2014 Trade
Traded Casper Ware to the Brooklyn Nets for Marquis Teague and a 2019 2nd round draft pick.

October 27, 2014 Trade
Traded Arnett Moultrie to the New York Knicks for Travis Outlaw and a 2019 2nd round draft pick.

December 10, 2014 Trade
Traded Brandon Davies to the Brooklyn Nets for Jorge Gutierrez, Andrei Kirilenko and a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Nets also acquire right to swap 2nd-round picks in 2018, Philadelphia's selection acquired from Cleveland.)

December 19, 2014 Trade
As part of a 3-team trade, the Philadelphia 76ers traded Alexey Shved to the Houston Rockets; the Houston Rockets traded Troy Daniels, cash, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Rakeem Christmas was later selected) and a 2016 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Houston Rockets traded Sergei Lishouk and a 2015 2nd round draft pick (J.P. Tokoto was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Corey Brewer to the Houston Rockets; and the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Ronny Turiaf to the Philadelphia 76ers. (Minnesota's 2nd-round pick in 2015 and 2016 are protected for picks 50-60 and 31-45, respectively.)

January 7, 2015 Trade
Traded Sergei Lishouk to the Los Angeles Clippers for Cenk Akyol and Jared Cunningham. (LAC also sends cash considerations to PHI)

February 19, 2015 Trade
As part of a 3-team trade, the Philadelphia 76ers traded Michael Carter-Williams to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Brandon Knight and Kendall Marshall to the Phoenix Suns; the Phoenix Suns traded Tyler Ennis and Miles Plumlee to the Milwaukee Bucks; and the Phoenix Suns traded a future 1st round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers. (PHI 1st round pick received from PHO is LAL's and is top-5 protected in 2015 and top-3 protected in 2016 & 2017.)

February 19, 2015 Trade
Traded K.J. McDaniels to the Houston Rockets for Isaiah Canaan and a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Richaun Holmes was later selected). (2015 2nd-rd pick acquired by PHI will be the worse of MIN & DEN picks)

February 19, 2015 Trade
Traded Cenk Akyol and cash to the Denver Nuggets for Chukwudiebere Maduabum, JaVale McGee and a 2016 1st round draft pick. (PHI 1st round pick received from DEN is OKC's pick and is top-18 protected.)

June 25, 2015 Trade
Traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) to the New York Knicks for a 2020 2nd round draft pick and a 2021 2nd round draft pick.

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July 12, 2013 Trade
Traded Jrue Holiday and Pierre Jackson to the New Orleans Pelicans for Nerlens Noel and a 2014 1st round draft pick (Elfrid Payton was later selected).

July 13, 2013 Trade
Traded a 2014 2nd round draft pick to the Houston Rockets for Furkan Aldemir, Royce White and cash. (Top-55 protected, so never conveyed)

August 22, 2013 Trade
Traded a 2014 2nd round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies for Tony Wroten. (Pick is top-50 and 56-60 protected and was not conveyed)

February 20, 2014 Trade
As part of a 3-team trade, the Philadelphia 76ers traded a 2014 2nd round draft pick to the Washington Wizards; the Denver Nuggets traded a 2016 2nd round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Denver Nuggets traded Andre Miller to the Washington Wizards; the Washington Wizards traded Jan Vesely to the Denver Nuggets; and the Washington Wizards traded Eric Maynor and a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Arturas Gudaitis was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers. (2014 2nd-rd pick was protected and not conveyed)

February 20, 2014 Trade
Traded Spencer Hawes to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Earl Clark, Henry Sims, a 2014 2nd round draft pick and a 2014 2nd round draft pick.

February 20, 2014 Trade
Traded Lavoy Allen and Evan Turner to the Indiana Pacers for Danny Granger and a 2015 2nd round draft pick.

February 20, 2014 Trade
Traded a future 2nd round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers for Byron Mullens. (Pick is conditional.)

June 26, 2014 Trade
Traded Elfrid Payton to the Orlando Magic for Dario Saric and a 2017 1st round draft pick.

June 26, 2014 Trade
Traded Nemanja Dangubic to the San Antonio Spurs for Jordan McRae.
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Re: Random Rumor Thread: Post em here 

Post#1344 » by ckchen » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:26 pm

Smitty731 wrote:
kriss73 wrote:No harm here, but I think somebody have to write this motto on Ainge's office walls: "You have to give to get".
Then, we will see a Boston trade sooner than later. Maybe. :D


He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

But in general, your comment is fair. I think he tries the old quantity over quality method.


But almost all of those trades were either just pushing draft resources out further or acquiring more draft assets for cap space and expiring deals. Not quite the same as actually trading for players, which every critic of hinkie is familiar with. Even hinkie understood that the point of hoarding future picks was to eventually try to pull off a harden like deal with all of them eventually. Ainge doesn't appear to get that.
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Post#1345 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jul 9, 2016 6:25 pm

Smitty731 wrote:He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

Really? What were they? The only one that comes to mind for me was the pick trade last year, but I don't track BOS as closely.

Since the 2014-15 season ended CHA has made 5 separate trades (Batum, Lance out, Lamb in, Lee, Belinelli). How many has BOS made?

ETA: Never mind, I see HW answered that.
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Post#1346 » by HartfordWhalers » Sat Jul 9, 2016 6:28 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

Really? What were they? The only one that comes to mind for me was the pick trade last year, but I don't track BOS as closely.

Since the 2014-15 season ended CHA has made 5 separate trades (Batum, Lance out, Lamb in, Lee, Belinelli). How many has BOS made?


I posted above (the trades themselves are in the spoiler), but it is 7 over the last 2 years. Philly did 15 during that time.
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Post#1347 » by Smitty731 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 7:45 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

Really? What were they? The only one that comes to mind for me was the pick trade last year, but I don't track BOS as closely.

Since the 2014-15 season ended CHA has made 5 separate trades (Batum, Lance out, Lamb in, Lee, Belinelli). How many has BOS made?


I posted above (the trades themselves are in the spoiler), but it is 7 over the last 2 years. Philly did 15 during that time.


I must have sub-consciously left Philly out. But you are right. That is bad on me!
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Post#1348 » by Austincys21 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 10:50 pm

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Post#1349 » by Smitty731 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:28 pm

The Celtics have rescinded Jared Sullinger's Qualifying Offer and then renounced his FA rights.

I'd say that more or less means he's headed out of town.
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Post#1350 » by KF10 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:39 pm

Boston fed up with Sully's conditioning issues?
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Post#1351 » by Smitty731 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:09 pm

KF10 wrote:Boston fed up with Sully's conditioning issues?


No idea. They had to do something to fit in Horford and this was it. Up until the other day, the rumor was they wanted to bring Sullinge back.
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Post#1352 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:46 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

Really? What were they? The only one that comes to mind for me was the pick trade last year, but I don't track BOS as closely.

Since the 2014-15 season ended CHA has made 5 separate trades (Batum, Lance out, Lamb in, Lee, Belinelli). How many has BOS made?

ETA: Never mind, I see HW answered that.


They haven't traded a significant asset since 2013 with KG and Pierce.
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Post#1353 » by brackdan70 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:51 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:He's made more traded than anyone else over the last two seasons. By a pretty substantial margin if I remember right.

Really? What were they? The only one that comes to mind for me was the pick trade last year, but I don't track BOS as closely.

Since the 2014-15 season ended CHA has made 5 separate trades (Batum, Lance out, Lamb in, Lee, Belinelli). How many has BOS made?

ETA: Never mind, I see HW answered that.


They haven't traded a significant asset since 2013 with KG and Pierce.


however since that time they have made a couple quality medium trades.....multiple transactions turned the Pierce TPE into Isaiah Thomas.

Acquired Crowder and stuff for Rondo.

Jeff green for a future pick with lotto potential

Not blockbusters but these are significant trades.

there has been fan expectation of Fireworks...which is pretty unrealistic...hence the perception that there are not trades.

I'd much rather Ainge be stingy with his assets and keep thinking long term, rather than sell the farm to build an ECF runner up.
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Post#1354 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:11 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Really? What were they? The only one that comes to mind for me was the pick trade last year, but I don't track BOS as closely.

Since the 2014-15 season ended CHA has made 5 separate trades (Batum, Lance out, Lamb in, Lee, Belinelli). How many has BOS made?

ETA: Never mind, I see HW answered that.


They haven't traded a significant asset since 2013 with KG and Pierce.


however since that time they have made a couple quality medium trades.....multiple transactions turned the Pierce TPE into Isaiah Thomas.

Acquired Crowder and stuff for Rondo.

Jeff green for a future pick with lotto potential

Not blockbusters but these are significant trades.

there has been fan expectation of Fireworks...which is pretty unrealistic...hence the perception that there are not trades.

I'd much rather Ainge be stingy with his assets and keep thinking long term, rather than sell the farm to build an ECF runner up.


Rondo I'll give you. At the time of the trade, Bill Simmons was inconsolable and the Celtics clearly won that trade. But the rest of the trades were pretty insignificant in terms of what pieces were getting moved around. That's Ainge's prerogative but the debate was whether Ainge was reluctant to engage in a meaningful trade unless he doesn't have a choice (expiring player that he's not bringing back) or he's just killing the other team. I have yet to see a "fair" trade involving Ainge that wasn't the result of getting something for a guy before he walked.
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Post#1355 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:52 pm

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Rondo I'll give you. At the time of the trade, Bill Simmons was inconsolable and the Celtics clearly won that trade. But the rest of the trades were pretty insignificant in terms of what pieces were getting moved around. That's Ainge's prerogative but the debate was whether Ainge was reluctant to engage in a meaningful trade unless he doesn't have a choice (expiring player that he's not bringing back) or he's just killing the other team. I have yet to see a "fair" trade involving Ainge that wasn't the result of getting something for a guy before he walked.



I know you are part of the anti-Ainge brigade here so I might be wasting my time pointing this out, but this is true of most teams.
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Post#1356 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:00 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
Rondo I'll give you. At the time of the trade, Bill Simmons was inconsolable and the Celtics clearly won that trade. But the rest of the trades were pretty insignificant in terms of what pieces were getting moved around. That's Ainge's prerogative but the debate was whether Ainge was reluctant to engage in a meaningful trade unless he doesn't have a choice (expiring player that he's not bringing back) or he's just killing the other team. I have yet to see a "fair" trade involving Ainge that wasn't the result of getting something for a guy before he walked.



I know you are part of the anti-Ainge brigade here so I might be wasting my time pointing this out, but this is true of most teams.


I'm not sure I agree with that. Teams engage in trades that might slightly favor one team or another but it's rare that a team gets killed. Teams like the Raptors or Celtics who only make those types of trades go through repeated seasons with the same needs unaddressed IMO. Raptors still need a starting-caliber PF and the Celtics still have a quality/quantity issue. At a certain point, you need to stop trying to fleece people and start trying to upgrade your roster. I wouldn't be shocked if either of those teams finishes with a worse record this season.
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Post#1357 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:07 pm

Boston added Al Horford and lost nothing of consequence plus they have lots of young players to expect improvement from. Unless you are a huge believer in Evan Turner or Jared Sullinger I can't imagine thinking Boston will be worse next year.
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Post#1358 » by Birdie » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:03 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
Rondo I'll give you. At the time of the trade, Bill Simmons was inconsolable and the Celtics clearly won that trade. But the rest of the trades were pretty insignificant in terms of what pieces were getting moved around. That's Ainge's prerogative but the debate was whether Ainge was reluctant to engage in a meaningful trade unless he doesn't have a choice (expiring player that he's not bringing back) or he's just killing the other team. I have yet to see a "fair" trade involving Ainge that wasn't the result of getting something for a guy before he walked.



I know you are part of the anti-Ainge brigade here so I might be wasting my time pointing this out, but this is true of most teams.


This really has nothing to do with what I'm quoting but was just curious, are you and your DAL cohorts a little saddened that Crowder did get shipped off for Rondo knowing now what he's developed into?

If I remember, he was actually ballin for you guys before he got traded and I thought he was just a throw-in into that deal. I could be wrong but I don't think BOS was really targeting him as the centerpiece of that deal. Just curious what Mavs peeps sat on that?
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Post#1359 » by Andre Roberstan » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:16 am

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