bwgood77 wrote:NavLDO wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Goodwin doesn't have any value like that. I've read that Portland will likely match any offer that isn't outrageous. Of course they already have a ton of money tied up in their back court but it comes down to the same thing as always, you can't really let a player walk for nothing. Portland will go over the cap to keep him though and then have to pay McCollumm next year.
They are one team that could also pay the luxury tax if they get into it next year since Paul Allen is by far the richest owner in the league after Ballmer. Ballmer is worth over 22 billion and Allen over 17 billion. Next highest is the Nets owner at 9 billion and then Mickey Arison at 7. A few million is nothing to Allen. They are all making money tons of money from the nba anyway in addition to having all those billions.
Sarver will likely never in a bidding war with the Blazer, Clips or even the Nets or Heat.
Maybe not straight 1-to-1, and I know stat lines don't tell the whole story, but their numbers are pretty close, overall last season:
Harkless: 6.4/3.6/.9 in 18.6mpg
Goodwin: 8.9/2.5/2.1 in 19.5mpg
I know the %s favor Harkless, and likely the intangibles, but if we threw a pick in there, or some other form of compensation, a deal might be able to get done.
Yeah, I know, rosterbation and nothing more, but I think Kerrsed is right in that Goodwin, since he's shown little at either position, likely won't get the requisite minutes to prove himself this season.
You think Archie is worth this? Klay Thompson, the Golden State Warriors' stoic and unflappable shooting guard, grew so frustrated by the physical, harassing defense of Moe Harkless, he shoved the Trail Blazers' small forward and earned a technical foul.
"I pretty much knew I was under his skin," Harkless said of the moment. "He was frustrated."
In the aftermath of the Blazers' Game 2 collapse, when the Warriors used an avalanche of scoring, hunger and championship resolve to steal in a win in the fourth quarter, it's easy to forget that, for most of the game, the Blazers played pretty darn good defense against the reigning NBA champions. And one of the best parts of that defense was the play of Harkless.
The first round playoff series against the Los Angeles Clippers changed in the Blazers' favor when coach Terry Stotts elected to adjust his defense and put Harkless on All-Star point guard Chris Paul. The semifinals came this close to changing when Stotts made a similar change, electing to shift Harkless off the dangerous Draymond Green and put him on Thompson in Game 2.
Thompson had torched the Blazers in the Warriors' lopsided Game 1 victory, scoring 37 points and making 7 of 10 three-pointers, and it was vital that Portland prevent another offensive explosion.
From the opening jump, the 6-foot-9, 215-pound Harkless used his athleticism, strength and tenacity to make Thompson's life difficult and uncomfortable. He chased after him around screens. He hounded him when he had the ball. He bumped and pushed and poked and prodded him wherever he went. And he barely left his side as the Blazers schemed away from allowing Harkless to leave Thompson and provide help defense elsewhere.
The intensity and physicality seemed to frustrate the Warriors' All-Star shooting guard, who forced bad shots and had trouble working free from Harkless' constant pressure. After scoring 18 points on 7-for-10 shooting in the first quarter of Game 1, Thompson scored just five points on 2-for-6 shooting in the first quarter of Game 2. Heading into the fourth, it looked like Harkless' defense would be one of the biggest storylines. Thompson had scored 17 points, but made just 5 of 17 shots, including 3 of 11 three-pointers.
"I just tried to make it hard for him," Harkless said. "Our game plan was pretty much just try to take him out. I was just in him the whole time, just pretty much face-guarding him the whole game. I just wanted to make things difficult for him."
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2016/05/moe_harkless_frustrating_physical_defense_on_klay.htmlThat's why I wanted him. Defensive versatility. I know his offense sucks. I thought we needed a wing defender. I think Portland needs that far more than another guard.
He may accept their QO and become unrestricted next year. I am surprised a team hasn't given him an offer. If he doesn't get a good one though, he would be wise to play for the QO. He'd most certainly get some enormous offers next year if he keeps it up.
Not at all, that's why I said we'd have to throw in extra compensation. Trust me, I know Harkless is worth more than Goodwin, and likely Goodwin wouldn't even be the centerpiece...just a part to make the salaries work, etc., but if we engage Portland, with a pkg that included Goodwin, I think we'd have a better chance than just trying to 'out-contract' Portland, as I originally postulated.
What I'm saying is Kerrsed has the right idea; it's just about us having the right pieces to make it work. Hi idea was better than mine, which was to try to make the contract 'unsignable' by Portland. You brought up some good points about the Blazer's ownership, etc., so I think Harkless is worth more than what his offensive production has shown, but why can't Goodwin, since he has little value to us, but being 21, may hold better value for a different team that might feel a change in scenery/coaching may work, plus whatever else...Tucker?? IDK. But Goodwin holds some value...just not much with us, anymore.
We could hold onto him, sure, but is we try to get Harkless, Goodwin might be a good piece to throw in is all I'm saying.
