Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To

[DayofMourning]

It depends. I'd do this:

Whiteside & McRoberts

for

So Boston's 2017 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2018 pick
Boston's 2019 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Jaylen Brown 4M
Amir Johnson 12M (expiring)
Kelly Olynyk 3M (expiring)
Jonas Jerebko 5M (expiring)
Guerschon Yabusele 1.5M

It almost guarantees Boston a couple seasons of domination, but we're in the sheeter anyhow.
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That's a lot of value in return I think. I'd jump on that right now if it was offered, actually. I wonder what Hassan's value on the market actually is. As noted by this offseason, I have no gauge of what real value is anymore. It seems like Ainge is also becoming more puckered by the moment, as he didn't want to sacrifice the third pick for any deal offered this year.

As for your deal, the picks alone would be more than enough in my eyes. Add in a trade piece at the least in Brown and my favorite frenchman, and we've got a deal;)

[gom]

It depends. I'd do this:

Whiteside & McRoberts

for

So Boston's 2017 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2018 pick
Boston's 2019 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Jaylen Brown 4M
Amir Johnson 12M (expiring)
Kelly Olynyk 3M (expiring)
Jonas Jerebko 5M (expiring)
Guerschon Yabusele 1.5M

It almost guarantees Boston a couple seasons of domination, but we're in the sheeter anyhow.
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That's a lot of value in return I think. I'd jump on that right now if it was offered, actually. I wonder what Hassan's value on the market actually is. As noted by this offseason, I have no gauge of what real value is anymore. It seems like Ainge is also becoming more puckered by the moment, as he didn't want to sacrifice the third pick for any deal offered this year.

As for your deal, the picks alone would be more than enough in my eyes. Add in a trade piece at the least in Brown and my favorite frenchman, and we've got a deal;)

Yeah maybe... How much is a 22M Whiteside worth in an environment where TJ is about to be paid 18M?

I made a couple adjustments to match salaries and so froth. It's possible that Boston sees a player like Jerebko as an asset, but I only included him to match salaries. Essentially the deal is:

1. Heat dumps McRoberts
2. Heat gives up Whiteside
3. Boston gives up 2 of its picks and the rights to swap them with Brooklyn
4. Boston give us the Brooklyn 2018 pick
5. Boston gives up Brown & Yabusele. I was between Yabusele and Bentil, but I went with the better prospect.

That's essentially 3 firsts for Whiteside and a good prospect Brown and a middling prospect Yabusele. Boston would be champion of the East.

This could only be done after Dec 15.

[JWG324]

Isn't it a little early for this thread?

It's as though the Heat fans have given up on their team before the season starts.

Why? Aren't we supposed to be excited about our draft pick? We almost never get one.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/duke-blue-devils-marques-bolden-commitment-2017-number-one-ranking-051916

It is really early in the season, but it's never too early to get informed. In fact, there still may be changes (transfers etc) in the college lineups. Duke & Kentucky have most of the best players (though Dennis Smith is NC State, Ivan Rabb (Berkeley), and Josh Jackson is Kansas). Here is Duke's potential lineup (keep in mind these are very young players and some may not choose to be drafted in 2017 - Ivan Rabb, for example, chose to sty another year in Berkeley):

Frank Jackson, Fr, PG, 6-4, 195, 5/4/98 (top 20)
Grayson Allen, Jr, SG, 6-5, 205, 10/8/95 (top 20)
Luke Kennard, So, SG, 6-5, 190, 6/24/96
Jayson Tatum, Fr, SF, 6-9, 203, 3/3/98 (top 5)
Jack White, Fr, SF, 6-7, 225, 8/5/97 (may surprise)
Harry Giles, Fr, PF, 6-9, 230, 4/22/98 (top 3)
Javin DeLaurier, Fr, PF, 6-9, 205, 4/7/98
Marques Bolden, Fr, C, 6-10, 240, 4/17/98 (top 20 - but one of the best centers so will likely rise)
Chase Jeter, So, C, 6-10, 240, 9/19/97 (improving game)

If we finished about where we did this year and Grayson Allen was available, he would be a great pick. If we finish in the lottery, though, and get a chance to draft talent like Tatum, Giles, Smith, or Josh Jackson, it would be incredible.

I'm excited.

Then we sign Westbrook and bring back Wade lol.

[DayofMourning]

Yeah maybe... How much is a 22M Whiteside worth in an environment where TJ is about to be paid 18M?

I made a couple adjustments to match salaries and so froth. It's possible that Boston sees a player like Jerebko as an asset, but I only included him to match salaries. Essentially the deal is:

1. Heat dumps McRoberts
2. Heat gives up Whiteside
3. Boston gives up 2 of its picks and the rights to swap them with Brooklyn
4. Boston give us the Brooklyn 2018 pick
5. Boston gives up Brown & Yabusele. I was between Yabusele and Bentil, but I went with the better prospect.

That's essentially 3 firsts for Whiteside and a good prospect Brown and a middling prospect Yabusele. Boston would be champion of the East.

This could only be done after Dec 15.

I was thinking maybe Amir, Jonas, Yabusele, and the 2017 and 2018 picks. I think they'd be hard pressed to give up Brown this early and I think all of the picks they stole from Brooklyn might be a tad much. You're right about Hassan though. Huge production on what will be a very, very nice contract. What they have now minus a few bits and pieces, plus Hassan, would be very nice.

[DayofMourning]

Fantasy trade with Boston, and even more fantasy lineup:

C-Deandre Ayton
F-Harry Giles/Yabusele
F-Justise Winslow
G-Josh Richardson/Tyler Johnson
G-Josh Jackson/Weber



We'd have to basically get the top two picks this draft, and the top pick in 2018. What the hell though, you know. Its a fantasy;)

[DayofMourning]

Player comparisons for the draftees?

Dennis Smith Jr-Steve Francis?
Josh Jackson-Tracy McGrady?
Jayson Tatum-Steve Smith?

[PizzaLord305]

I severely doubt Boston would give up either Jaylen Brown or the nets 2017 pick swap for Hassan. They'd be giving up way too much for Whiteside if they traded both. Someone like boogie could fetch that much though, and even then, I wouldn't do it cause he's a lil crazy. Brooklyns gonna be awful. That pick may turn into #1.

[dolphinatik]

Josh Jackson reminds me so much of Corey Brewer coming out of High School. Not sure he is a #1 pick but definetly a good piece of a team.

[puppa bear]

That trade is unrealistic. Go post it on the Boston board, even a watered down version of it, and see how that goes.

That team would be good, and only needs 1 stronger guard to make them real challengers to GSW, instead of making ECF a real slug-fest.

[DayofMourning]

That trade is unrealistic. Go post it on the Boston board, even a watered down version of it, and see how that goes.

That team would be good, and only needs 1 stronger guard to make them real challengers to GSW, instead of making ECF a real slug-fest.

Are you talking about gom's or mine? Also, what team needs 1 stronger guard?

[puppa bear]

That trade is unrealistic. Go post it on the Boston board, even a watered down version of it, and see how that goes.

That team would be good, and only needs 1 stronger guard to make them real challengers to GSW, instead of making ECF a real slug-fest.

Are you talking about gom's or mine? Also, what team needs 1 stronger guard?

Yours is more realistic than gom's (I think reasonable value for both sides - we get a lot of potential value, while hey cash in future assets for a tangible asset). Even then my Celtics friends laughed & didn't even reply. That's a type of deal most Celtics fans would consider for Westbrook - they have ridiculously high standards (& I think DA has as well). Those picks are considered gold, and they expect them to yield a franchise player each.

A Celtics team with Horford & Whiteside, plus returning all of their major players from last year would be very dangerous. I still think they need a lead wing/guard who can take over down the stretch.

[DayofMourning]

He's not going to be draftable for a few more years, but has anyone watched Marvin Bagley? Wow. I don't like to get that far ahead of the game, but this kid is something else. I had read in a few places that he was crazy good, but didn't bother to watch any videos. Was looking through some drafts at NBA Draft Room and decided to give him a look. If he can maintain this type of ability against grown men, then he's the next superstud.

[DayofMourning]

nbadraft.net big board:

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

[twix2500]

RexBoy and fam I have to applaud you this is a wonderful trend. Good job by all of you.

[RexBoyWonder]

He's not going to be draftable for a few more years, but has anyone watched Marvin Bagley? Wow. I don't like to get that far ahead of the game, but this kid is something else. I had read in a few places that he was crazy good, but didn't bother to watch any videos. Was looking through some drafts at NBA Draft Room and decided to give him a look. If he can maintain this type of ability against grown men, then he's the next superstud.

Went to check him out now, looks very promising. Issue is our 2018 pick is only top 7 protected. If things go right, we'll have no pick in 2018 so we better take advantage of our 2017 pick in a strong draft.

[RexBoyWonder]

nbadraft.net big board:

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

I usually like Draftexpress a lot more, but they have Josh Jackson at #4 which I find strangely low.

Anyway we only see the real mocks starting to shape out after they play a few games in college. Very hard to notice some things before that.

Whoever we get, I think we should go after a bonafide scorer, a ~20 PPG freshman. Our entire young core is full of great defenders, but none are a #1 first option. we can cover for a really talented aggressive scorer, and we already have the passing and shooting to surround him with. we need a high level creator.

[Hallstar]

I know, right? I'd love to have him on the team. There are about a dozen players in this draft, though, that can be solid starters or more, so if our tank fails because we win too much, we still have a chance to get better. What I want are two picks... somehow.

We have two very tradable assets, Goran and Hassan. I don't know how close to the lottery we can get with Goran, but I bet we could load up with Hassan. I'm not advocating trading Hassan, but he would net us something very nice in a package I'm sure. If all hope seems lost at midseason, I expect wed at least listen to offers.

Would an offer from Boston for a package centered around the Brooklyn picks interest any of you?

It depends. I'd do this:

Whiteside & McRoberts

for

So Boston's 2017 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2018 pick
Boston's 2019 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Jaylen Brown 4M
Amir Johnson 12M (expiring)
Kelly Olynyk 3M (expiring)
Jonas Jerebko 5M (expiring)
Guerschon Yabusele 1.5M

It almost guarantees Boston a couple seasons of domination, but we're in the sheeter anyhow.
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Meanwhile, we'd have:

PG: Dragic, Weber
SG: Richardson, Tyler Johnson, Ellington, Rod McGruder
SF: Winslow, Jaylen Brown, Luke Babbitt
PF: Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, Derrick Williams, Guerschon Yabusele, Haslem, James Johnson
C: Olynyk, Reed

We'd have to waive two players: Ellington & Babbitt would be my choices.

our 2017 pick (a lottery pick)
boston's 2017 pick with rights to swap with brooklyn (a lottery pick)

future 2018 pick from brooklyn
our 2018 pick (1-8) or 2019 pick
boston's 2019 pick with rights to swap

lol, that's a Steph Curry trade package, I'd be all over it

[DayofMourning]

nbadraft.net big board:

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

I usually like Draftexpress a lot more, but they have Josh Jackson at #4 which I find strangely low.

Anyway we only see the real mocks starting to shape out after they play a few games in college. Very hard to notice some things before that.

Whoever we get, I think we should go after a bonafide scorer, a ~20 PPG freshman. Our entire young core is full of great defenders, but none are a #1 first option. we can cover for a really talented aggressive scorer, and we already have the passing and shooting to surround him with. we need a high level creator.

I don't invest myself too heavily in any of the sites, though drafted express is certainly the deepest in content. NBA Draft Room has good content, though it is very simply structured. Might be an up and comer draft site to keep in your predraft arsenal.

DX has very different rankings from what I've witnessed so far. No way is JJ behind Tatum. Giles has too much competition to be first. In fact, I'd probably take Adebayo over him right now due to several factors.

[DayofMourning]

He's not going to be draftable for a few more years, but has anyone watched Marvin Bagley? Wow. I don't like to get that far ahead of the game, but this kid is something else. I had read in a few places that he was crazy good, but didn't bother to watch any videos. Was looking through some drafts at NBA Draft Room and decided to give him a look. If he can maintain this type of ability against grown men, then he's the next superstud.

Went to check him out now, looks very promising. Issue is our 2018 pick is only top 7 protected. If things go right, we'll have no pick in 2018 so we better take advantage of our 2017 pick in a strong draft.

Bagley is actually class of 2018, meaning 2019 draft. Got beat by Ayton in some matchups, but that's to be expected.

The lotto protected 2018 draft has some stars right now as well. Bamba is intriguing and super long. Porter is an alpha who might challenge Ayton for the top spot come draft time.

[gom]

We have two very tradable assets, Goran and Hassan. I don't know how close to the lottery we can get with Goran, but I bet we could load up with Hassan. I'm not advocating trading Hassan, but he would net us something very nice in a package I'm sure. If all hope seems lost at midseason, I expect wed at least listen to offers.

Would an offer from Boston for a package centered around the Brooklyn picks interest any of you?

It depends. I'd do this:

Whiteside & McRoberts

for

So Boston's 2017 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2018 pick
Boston's 2019 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Jaylen Brown 4M
Amir Johnson 12M (expiring)
Kelly Olynyk 3M (expiring)
Jonas Jerebko 5M (expiring)
Guerschon Yabusele 1.5M

It almost guarantees Boston a couple seasons of domination, but we're in the sheeter anyhow.
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Meanwhile, we'd have:

PG: Dragic, Weber
SG: Richardson, Tyler Johnson, Ellington, Rod McGruder
SF: Winslow, Jaylen Brown, Luke Babbitt
PF: Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, Derrick Williams, Guerschon Yabusele, Haslem, James Johnson
C: Olynyk, Reed

We'd have to waive two players: Ellington & Babbitt would be my choices.

our 2017 pick (a lottery pick)
boston's 2017 pick with rights to swap with brooklyn (a lottery pick)

future 2018 pick from brooklyn
our 2018 pick (1-8) or 2019 pick
boston's 2019 pick with rights to swap

lol, that's a Steph Curry trade package, I'd be all over it

Ok. It's greedy to ask for the 2019 Boston pick and swap, but Whiteside locked down on a 4 year contract is worth 2 draft picks.

Whiteside & McRoberts

for

Two picks:

So Boston's 2017 pick and rights to swap with Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2018 pick

Young talent:

Jaylen Brown 4M
Guerschon Yabusele 1.5M

Expiring contracts (don't really care who comes):

Amir Johnson 12M (expiring)
Kelly Olynyk 3M (expiring)
Jonas Jerebko 5M (expiring)

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Whiteside cannot be traded until Dec 15. If he storms the league and Brown (as I suspect, because he'll be playing behind Jae Crowder) doesn't get a lot of run? Perhaps.