Braggins wrote:Eoghan wrote:tonman wrote:
Obama is more moderate than a lot of Democrats but you have been drinking too much kool-aid thinking anything liberal is bad.
You can be liberal on certain issues and conservative on others. You just have to be open minded to not fall for the party line.
For example I am anti abortion and pro choice. Think about it.
Obama is not a moderate. Just because he could be more wackadoodle left wing like Bernie Sanders (whom I actually like a little) doesn't mean he's a moderate. He's a "progressive" pillock that only furthers the agenda of plutocrats and an even worse president than "conservative" (Please Use More Appropriate Word) George W. Being a moderate doesn't mean anything in the US anymore, it just means you're a Statist and will play ball with the other party to grow government.
I'm an anarcho-capitalist/syndicalist, localist that prefers a confederation of sovereign states ruled over by a benevolent dictator. Think about that.
I try not to adhere to any political label, but my views would probably be best described somewhere along the lines of anarchist/anarcho-socialist/classic libertarian (believe it or not, but libertarianism was originally an anti-state socialist ideology). I bet we could have some interesting political discussion.
Anyways, I despise Obama and basically the entire neo-liberal order, but I would completely disagree that Obama is left leaning in policy. I would go even further than tonman and say that if anything he is right leaning. The entire US political spectrum has shifted far to the right, starting with Reagan and further accelerating during the Clinton years and onward. Hell, even Bernie is a moderate by the standards of the rest of the world. Hes only really left leaning in the context of the American political system. His policies are not radical in the slightest as many people would like to paint them.
I would also disagree that Obama was worse than Bush II, although they were both awful and Obama certainly is worse in some respects. I don't think it is beyond discussion or anything, but I do think Bush II was significantly worse and mostly due to the Iraq war being such an epic blunder.
I disagree unless you assume that the Right has a monopoly on Statist agenda. I think the Dems have their monied special interests to placate as do the Repubs; six of one, half dozen of the other. They're both building an increasingly totalitarian plutocracy, just with their guys (if it's not all a charade and they're not all the same people at the top). IMO Obama is a leftist due to ACA, anti-American Imperialism policies, progressive policies, (failed) green energy policies, anti-capitalism policies, etc. The only really right-wing thing he's done is bail-out big corporations and keep troops in the Middle East but both of those are practically American SOP now and you'd be demonized as a dreaded "Isolationist" from both sides if you don't fight unwinnable wars now.
Obama is way worse than G.W. Bush if for no other reason than I don't recollect Bush ever killing an American without due process.
