The Official Lin Net Thread

[KM6]

thats some funky math. not sure how 2/5 of the starting lineup = 70%. last i checked that would make 40%.

You were checking in the wrong place, as usual. We have good people at the 1 and 5, the hardest positions to fill. Since we have indeed filled them, that's far more than half the job done right there.

we had jack/brook last year and were terrible during that stretch. Lin upgrades Jack but we also lost thad. Mo Harkless doesnt really move the needle.

Playmaking matters; Lin is far better than Jack at it. Also, the Brook/Jack combo didn't work well because Thad wasn't stretching the floor. We'll probably fix that, perhaps by getting Harkless, who shot 39% on 3s in his second year.

how many teams can make us pay? pretty much all of them. nearly every offense features the pick and roll, and lopez cant defed it.

Lin's defense was why I mentioned him. He'll protect Brook from a lot of penetration, and that will be a huge help.

i envy your optomism, but this projects as a 15-25 win team

Let's see what this team looks like at season start, shall we? I can think of lots ways to improve, so pretty good improvement seems likely to me. There are reasons for optimism.

How can you say Lin is far better than jack at playmaking when all of the advanced analysis that people have been using say they are essential the exact same player

Once again, we will know if he is a better play-maker than Jack once the season starts. No point arguing over something when there is no fair comparison. One full season, then we will find out.

[ChokeFasncists]

I'd be much happier if they kept the focus on Atkinson/Marks. Their vision for the team. And the story of this young, rebuilding team trying to come together led by one of the League's best player development coaches . That to me is the real story

Not possible. No team advertise GMs and coaches unless it's guys like Larry Legend.

Lin's gonna be the story, like it or not. (unless there's gonna be a major move)

[swijayas]

Glad to be witness, How about donate to Nets forum!

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ha this is interesting. worth marking

Prok .. My offer still stands on this friendly bet - to be donated to the Nets forum, if I am correct - since you are still projecting 15-25 wins, while I believe it is going to be 26 or more wins

[Manitoba]

How can you say Lin is far better than jack at playmaking when all of the advanced analysis that people have been using say they are essential the exact same player

Check Lin's stats as starter; it'll be obvious: he's much better than Jack at playmaking (and winning).

EDIT: removed "that".

[fafan]

Lin starts. he was brought into and no competition anyhow.

Lin posts 20/6

Nets win 18-26 games without TJ/Crabbe

Nets win 20-26 games with TJ/Crabbe

Since you are so negative - would you mind a friendly bet - anywhere between USD 100 - 1000.
My call that Nets will win more than 26 games, regardless whomever they can get.

Prok .. My offer still stands on this friendly bet - to be donated to the Nets forum, if I am correct - since you are still projecting 15-25 wins, while I believe it is going to be 26 or more wins

[rallydurham]

Agreed that Lin is better than Jarrett Jack.

[MrDollarBills]

Jeremy Lin is a better overall player than Jarrett Jack on both ends of the floor. This is a dumb argument.

Lin is a + player in all RAPM metrics compared to Jack.

[Mij]

I'd be much happier if they kept the focus on Atkinson/Marks. Their vision for the team. And the story of this young, rebuilding team trying to come together led by one of the League's best player development coaches . That to me is the real story

Not possible. No team advertise GMs and coaches unless it's guys like Larry Legend.

Lin's gonna be the story, like it or not. (unless there's gonna be a major move)

Does featuring Marks and Atkinson count? I just saw this email from nets.

Subject: "Join Us for the Brooklyn Nets Open House featuring Sean Marks and Kenny Atkinson".

Dear xxxx,

Please join us for a Brooklyn Nets Open House on Wednesday, July 20th at Barclays Center.

The Brooklyn Nets Open House will feature a reception in Calvin Klein Courtside Club with complimentary snacks and beverages starting at 6:30PM. The reception will be followed by a discussion with General Manager Sean Marks and Head Coach Kenny Atkinson.

Brooklynnettes dancers and Team Hype will be in attendance. The Brooklyn Nets practice court will also be open for children (must wear sneakers).

Sarah Kustock of YES Network will be the moderator for the evening.

[bballfan1234]

Hi all, Jlin fan here. All these debates about Lin > Lillard and Harden is delusional. Both Lillard and Harden have natural athletic abilities above Lin. Imo, both Lin and Lillard are willing to share the ball and get it to the hot hands that will help win the game for the team. Harden, he will win or lose the game with the ball in his hand. Anyways, I am excited for the coming season because i can picture the team will be full of unselfish players moving the ball and playing great team defense! If the Nets have a worst record than the Sixers, i would be disappointed. Go Nets go!!!

[Net Sentence]

Glad to be witness, How about donate to Nets forum!

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ha this is interesting. worth marking

How about posting here for more then two weeks before you start trying to call regular Net fans out? If Lin flames out or gets hurt I doubt most of the people posting in here will still be on our site since most of you recently changed your logo's from the Hornets to the Nets.

[lin is ok]

Mike D interview with WOJ
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vertical-podcast-with-woj--mike-d-antoni-221033356.html
http://nypost.com/2016/07/13/how-carmelo-amare-pushed-jeremy-lin-out-mike-dantoni/

“It was there, it’s real,” said D’Antoni, who was recently hired as the Rockets’ new head coach. “The problem that we had was that for Jeremy to be really good, which he was, he had to play a certain way.

[m40]

I'm not sure what the point is to compare Lin with harden, they are different types of players

i didnt bring up the comparison, just pointing out how wildly and grossly inaccuate it is.

If it needs to compare, Lin is his prime age with better def than harden while harden still had a great all star level scoring but really awful def (worse than when he was in OKC). Harden was top 6sixth man in the decade but get downgraded in last year while Lin has his improvement over years. So right now their margin is not that significant. I think it's a fair conclusion based on last year performance.

no its not a fair conclusion. not close. the difference between harden and lin offensively is MUCH MUCH bigger then the defense between the two defensively.

Lin is average offensively. Harden is Elite offensively, Historic levels of scoring efficiency. to say harden declined and lin is getting better is also incredibly misleading. as even with a slip in numbers harden is still elite offensively and even with a bump in numbers lin is just average.

it isnt even close. and its silly to even compare them, since harden is so drastically better.

I agree harden is elite in scoring but it's not winning; rockets chemistry was almost broken and the team just entered PO lucky with his all time most TO record in NBA history which also narrow the gap in offense.

Harden even comes out to ask for star players but so far no one comes to rockets. That's all . Harden is better than Lin overall but not that much.

You don't need to convince me or Lin fans how good harden is. Just try to convince oneal not to put harden name in next his "MVP" list

Next season is for Lin to prove he is a good starting pg. even so, it doesn't mean Lin is better than harden.

[ChokeFasncists]

I'd be much happier if they kept the focus on Atkinson/Marks. Their vision for the team. And the story of this young, rebuilding team trying to come together led by one of the League's best player development coaches . That to me is the real story

Not possible. No team advertise GMs and coaches unless it's guys like Larry Legend.

Lin's gonna be the story, like it or not. (unless there's gonna be a major move)

Does featuring Marks and Atkinson count? I just saw this email from nets.

Subject: "Join Us for the Brooklyn Nets Open House featuring Sean Marks and Kenny Atkinson".

Dear xxxx,

Please join us for a Brooklyn Nets Open House on Wednesday, July 20th at Barclays Center.

The Brooklyn Nets Open House will feature a reception in Calvin Klein Courtside Club with complimentary snacks and beverages starting at 6:30PM. The reception will be followed by a discussion with General Manager Sean Marks and Head Coach Kenny Atkinson.

Brooklynnettes dancers and Team Hype will be in attendance. The Brooklyn Nets practice court will also be open for children (must wear sneakers).

Sarah Kustock of YES Network will be the moderator for the evening.

Na, this is cool and sheet, but we were talking about billboards and stuff like that.

[lin is ok]

Mike D might turn things around for the Rockets. Mchale was just bad and what came after was worst.

I'm not sure what the point is to compare Lin with harden, they are different types of players

i didnt bring up the comparison, just pointing out how wildly and grossly inaccuate it is.

If it needs to compare, Lin is his prime age with better def than harden while harden still had a great all star level scoring but really awful def (worse than when he was in OKC). Harden was top 6sixth man in the decade but get downgraded in last year while Lin has his improvement over years. So right now their margin is not that significant. I think it's a fair conclusion based on last year performance.

no its not a fair conclusion. not close. the difference between harden and lin offensively is MUCH MUCH bigger then the defense between the two defensively.

Lin is average offensively. Harden is Elite offensively, Historic levels of scoring efficiency. to say harden declined and lin is getting better is also incredibly misleading. as even with a slip in numbers harden is still elite offensively and even with a bump in numbers lin is just average.

it isnt even close. and its silly to even compare them, since harden is so drastically better.

I agree harden is elite in scoring but it's not winning; rockets chemistry was almost broken and the team just entered PO lucky with his all time most TO record in NBA history which also narrow the gap in offense.

Harden even comes out to ask for star players but so far no one comes to rockets. That's all . Harden is better than Lin overall but not that much.

You don't need to convince me or Lin fans how good harden is. Just try to convince oneal not to put harden name in next his "MVP" list

Next season is for Lin to prove he is a good starting pg. even so, it doesn't mean Lin is better than harden.

[ChokeFasncists]

Mike D interview with WOJ
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vertical-podcast-with-woj--mike-d-antoni-221033356.html
http://nypost.com/2016/07/13/how-carmelo-amare-pushed-jeremy-lin-out-mike-dantoni/

“It was there, it’s real,” said D’Antoni, who was recently hired as the Rockets’ new head coach. “The problem that we had was that for Jeremy to be really good, which he was, he had to play a certain way.

Nice insight into what happened. I guess afterall Stat and Melo just weren't good fit.

Lin has improved a lot and has become much more versatile. But it's still good to be able to play "a certain way".

[Prokorov]

If Lin is voted into the all star game then he is an all-star, if not then no. What's there to argue about?

If Lin has a great statistical year while helping the nets win 30-40 games, then maybe we can then compare him to Harden, there might be some basis for comparison, but until then it's just comparing apples to oranges. One is a franchise player who has all the opportunities in the world handed to him to be successful, who can do whatever he wants, right or wrong, and not get blamed by the FO. Another is a career journeyman who never gets the opportunity to show case what he can do, and being underrated his entire career, playing out of position forever, inconsistent minutes and usage.

One full season, then let's talk. Right now anyone can make any arguments, and no one will convince the other party. Harden is harden, Lin is Lin, I am really tired of this stupid comparison. Please let's talk about how Lin can help the team win games or rebuild in a Lin thread, and how the team can improve and move forward in a general thread.

the difference between harden and lin is not "opportuntnity" or "getting to do whatever he wants"

the difference is one is one of the most efficienct and prolific scorers in NBA history and the other is an average NBA player.

I'm not saying you're wrong. the facts are proving it.

Average or not, we will see after one full season. You might be right about Lin or you might be wrong, time will tell.

This isnt a Lin thing... and its not about him being good or not. The simple truth is that Harden is an Elite MVP calibur player who is many times better then Lin. Lin could have a fantastic, career year and it would still fall well short of harden.

thats no knock on Lin. very few are as good as harden. maybe 4 or 5 guys in the entire league. It was unfair for the original poster to make that comparison(I did not bring it up). But im not going to sit here and take criticism for pointing out how silly it is to suggest lin is as good or better then harden when he isnt anywhere near his class of player

[Prokorov]

Your gloom is unjustified as yet, because the team isn't a finished work this summer. The FA period has just started.

As I said, we already have good people at the 1 and 5, so we've already won like 70% of the battle.

We now have the capspace to max out somebody like Moe Harkless. And how many teams have enough talent at center and PG to make us pay for Brook's defensive problems and Lin's occasional lapses at D? Four, maybe five? Against the rest of the league, I can definitely see a Brook-Lin-Harkless combo doing serious damage.

Remember, we're just gunning for the playoffs next year; we're not dreaming (yet) of dominating the rest of the NBA. Relative to the more modest goal, I think we're justified in being somewhat optimistic.

thats some funky math. not sure how 2/5 of the starting lineup = 70%. last i checked that would make 40%. we had jack/brook last year and were terrible during that stretch. Lin upgrades Jack but we also lost thad. Mo Harkless doesnt really move the needle.

how many teams can make us pay? pretty much all of them. nearly every offense features the pick and roll, and lopez cant defed it.

i envy your optomism, but this projects as a 15-25 win team

25 wins? In that case, I hope they'll lose all the road games. I can live with 25 home wins or at least all the ones I will be attending on the weekends. Sucks even to be a 1/2 season holder. I am praying for Linsanity otherwise I don't know what to do with my tickets.

the 1/4 season 11 game weekend plan is a good deal. almost always giveaways for those games and the barclays management and events staff is fantastic. its unfortunate that we have no fans, because they do a great job on gameday

[Prokorov]

i read that Brook is an effective PnR partner. Nash-Amare-Lite anybody?

Brook isnt great in the pick and roll, he wont get to the front of the rim.... he has what Ian eagle has labelled the "pick and push". its kind of somewhere between the pick and roll and the pick and pop.... he will set the pick and then get in the lane about 8-10 feet from the rim and throw this one handed floater/push shot. he has a real solid touch with it....

but i can probably count his career pick and roll dunks on one hand. he doesn't really leap well. and he isnt very athletic or quick. his screens need work as well. but he does slip well, is a huge target, and is pretty automatic on that 8-10 foot push shot.

only issue is the gaurd usually has trouble turning the corner, since they aren't forced to switch or go over the screen. dwill and brook had great chemistry with it.... but dwill was more pull up jumper off the pick and roll and not go to the rim.

I've been recently watching a lot of Brooks youtube highlights and my conclusion is he's going to really be great help to Lin as for bagging in assist.

While it is true Brook doesn't roll deeper into the hole, he is very effective with this push shot..so much so that I can actually see Lin get plenty of assist by simply dumping it to him...I can now envision Lin averaging 8 assist because I think Brook can be more effective than Chandler.

Brook may not be as athletic as chandler, but he has better offensive awareness and can flat out score once he receives the ball close to the basket

yeah, brook is steady. he is frustrating because he is rarely aggressive but he will quietly get his 18-20 points on those push shots and some face up drives. i see no reason why lin can get 8 assists. jack got 7.5 just by being on the floor and being the only ball handler. same will be true of lin.

[Prokorov]

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ha this is interesting. worth marking

Prok .. My offer still stands on this friendly bet - to be donated to the Nets forum, if I am correct - since you are still projecting 15-25 wins, while I believe it is going to be 26 or more wins

in addition to being against forum policy, i dont make monitary bets with people i dont know.

if you want to make some kind of signature bet, im all for that

[KM6]

the difference between harden and lin is not "opportuntnity" or "getting to do whatever he wants"

the difference is one is one of the most efficienct and prolific scorers in NBA history and the other is an average NBA player.

I'm not saying you're wrong. the facts are proving it.

Average or not, we will see after one full season. You might be right about Lin or you might be wrong, time will tell.

This isnt a Lin thing... and its not about him being good or not. The simple truth is that Harden is an Elite MVP calibur player who is many times better then Lin. Lin could have a fantastic, career year and it would still fall well short of harden.

thats no knock on Lin. very few are as good as harden. maybe 4 or 5 guys in the entire league. It was unfair for the original poster to make that comparison(I did not bring it up). But im not going to sit here and take criticism for pointing out how silly it is to suggest lin is as good or better then harden when he isnt anywhere near his class of player

People have different criteria when judging how good a player is. Some look at their stats, some trying to determine if they have a winning effect.

No doubt Harden has great stats every season, and he is indeed an elite scorer, but his lack of defense and ballhogging kills team chemistry. It's really hard to tell his winning effect on the Rockets team, but let's see how many games can Lin win next season. Since people are not expecting Nets to win more than 20 games, let's see how many games Nets actually wins, and maybe we can use that as support to determine how much of a winning player Lin really is.