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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#281 » by sunsbum » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:51 pm

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saintEscaton wrote:If I was a Philly fan I would call for BC's head if he gave up Noel just for Knightmare, an inferior PG to Teague who they turned down altho he is locked up longer on a "bargain" deal.


Teague is not better than BK, hes also a true PG and like 3 or 4 years older than knight. BK would actually be a good fit to ben simmons playing PGForward.


Teague is definitely better than BK a two-way player who orchestrated one of the better offenses in the league and was a deserving All-Star reserve , Knight wasn't even "borderline" in his best year out East. If Knight is relegated off the ball he doesn't do anything Covington can't as a 3&D wing. Noel is gunna get the max, so Philly might not keep him but he has already had two of the best 4 DBPM seasons for a palyer under 22 ever. Simmon has eyes in the back of his head, a freight train in transition and can make flashy wraparound passes, but Brown will realize the need for a lead guard who can take some of the load off of him in the halfcourt


Knight was boderline on the bucks though, many considered him an all star snub. Like I said, philly doesnt need someone to "orchestrate" their offense when they have Simmons. They need shooters around him, something that brandon knight actually excells in. Covington is a forward so im not even sure why youre bringing him up.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#282 » by sunsbum » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:56 pm

NTB wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/752731253883871232[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/752347470751862784[/tweet]


Lol, does anyone actually care about chapmans opinion after he got caught robbing an apple store multiple times? I saw someine wearing his jersey at a summer league game and just about tinkled my pants.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#283 » by NTB » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:29 pm

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carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#285 » by rsavaj » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:25 pm

As long as Booker plays more minutes than Brandon I don't care who starts
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#286 » by thamadkant » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:54 pm

saintEscaton wrote:If I was a Philly fan I would call for BC's head if he gave up Noel just for Knightmare, an inferior PG to Teague who they turned down altho he is locked up longer on a "bargain" deal.


Teague is a better player than Knight.


But Knight is a better shooter.


They (76ers) are desperate for a shooter who can also handle the ball.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#287 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:03 pm

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saintEscaton wrote:If I was a Philly fan I would call for BC's head if he gave up Noel just for Knightmare, an inferior PG to Teague who they turned down altho he is locked up longer on a "bargain" deal.


Teague is a better player than Knight.


But Knight is a better shooter.


They (76ers) are desperate for a shooter who can also handle the ball.


OK Ok. We will give them Archie too. I am feeling generous today.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#288 » by rsavaj » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:06 pm

Actually on second thought, I kind of like Booker off the bench, because the Booker/Ulis pairing is excellent. And we know that the Bledsoe/Knight pairing works really well too.

The only pairing I don't want to see is Knight/Booker.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#289 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:21 pm

rsavaj wrote:Actually on second thought, I kind of like Booker off the bench, because the Booker/Ulis pairing is excellent. And we know that the Bledsoe/Knight pairing works really well too.

The only pairing I don't want to see is Knight/Booker.


Platooning the guards is an intriguing idea.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#290 » by Blackification » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:19 am

rsavaj wrote:Actually on second thought, I kind of like Booker off the bench, because the Booker/Ulis pairing is excellent. And we know that the Bledsoe/Knight pairing works really well too.

The
only pairing I don't want to see is Knight/Booker.

Idk about that one, i never saw them gel. It seemed like they were taking turns almost rather than actively working together to make the offense flow. I think booker in the starting line up will help alleviate the pressure to create for bledsoe. Knight will have free reign to shoot as much as he wants off the bench and Ulis will be able to set him up all day and be the ball dominant general. They have great chemistry but i think its a better balance since both are good playmakers
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#291 » by rsavaj » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:23 am

Blackification wrote:
rsavaj wrote:Actually on second thought, I kind of like Booker off the bench, because the Booker/Ulis pairing is excellent. And we know that the Bledsoe/Knight pairing works really well too.

The
only pairing I don't want to see is Knight/Booker.

Idk about that one, i never saw them gel. It seemed like they were taking turns almost rather than actively working together to make the offense flow


Perhaps you're right; I guess in my mind Bledsoe is the backcourt partner that balances Knight out the most...kind of keeps his worst impulses in check.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#292 » by Blackification » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:30 am

rsavaj wrote:
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rsavaj wrote:Actually on second thought, I kind of like Booker off the bench, because the Booker/Ulis pairing is excellent. And we know that the Bledsoe/Knight pairing works really well too.

The
only pairing I don't want to see is Knight/Booker.

Idk about that one, i never saw them gel. It seemed like they were taking turns almost rather than actively working together to make the offense flow


Perhaps you're right; I guess in my mind Bledsoe is the backcourt partner that balances Knight out the most...kind of keeps his worst impulses in check.

I just see him as a blackhole and I agree with you, but would rather put him on the bench where his worst impulses hurt us less and let Bledsoe do his thing
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#293 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:35 am

sunsbum wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:If I was a Philly fan I would call for BC's head if he gave up Noel just for Knightmare, an inferior PG to Teague who they turned down altho he is locked up longer on a "bargain" deal.


Teague is not better than BK, hes also a true PG and like 3 or 4 years older than knight. BK would actually be a good fit to ben simmons playing PGForward.


Yes he is.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#294 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:47 am

letsgosuns wrote:Kevin Nesgoda ‏@KDN4 1h1 hour ago
I’m hearing that the Westbrook to Boston deal is basically in place and now just waiting on the final details to be worked out.

It says this guy is the managing editor of sonicsrising.com. Idk what to think anymore about these trade rumors. Hard to believe rumors from anyone other than Woj, Stein, and Aldridge. Anyway, If it turns out to be true and Westbrook does get traded to the Celtics, I wonder what the package will be. The Celtics definitely can make the best offer of any team because those two Nets picks are about as good of picks as any in the league right now.


If this is true, and I take the rumor with a jug of salt, then they have to get Crowder who is a stud to fill in for Durant, and I guess IT would have to be part of the deal, but definitely Crowder. I think Payne will be good. If they can get a Brooklyn pick that's huge.

I can't see Brad Stevens being a fan of Westbrook, but they are desperate for that star, and if they can get Hayward, he is a good replacement for Crowder next year. They should try to get Robinson too.

I still think there is a good chance this is bogus, but Presti has traded stars nearing the ends of their deals before and has quite a few young pieces in place already. Payne/Dipo/Crowder/Illy or Sabonis/Adams with Kanter off the bench still good a good young core and Brooklyn pick would be a great asset to add a stud. IT to start and be that scorer for a while on a good deal not bad too, but I'm not really a fan.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#295 » by Midnight_Suns » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:47 am

sunsbum wrote:
NTB wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/752731253883871232[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/752347470751862784[/tweet]


Lol, does anyone actually care about chapmans opinion after he got caught robbing an apple store multiple times? I saw someine wearing his jersey at a summer league game and just about tinkled my pants.

Is there no weight to the opinion of someone who played 12 years in the NBA? Dude must not know a thing about a basketball because he made some poor decisions in other areas in his life.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#296 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:08 am

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rsavaj wrote:Actually on second thought, I kind of like Booker off the bench, because the Booker/Ulis pairing is excellent. And we know that the Bledsoe/Knight pairing works really well too.

The
only pairing I don't want to see is Knight/Booker.

Idk about that one, i never saw them gel. It seemed like they were taking turns almost rather than actively working together to make the offense flow. I think booker in the starting line up will help alleviate the pressure to create for bledsoe. Knight will have free reign to shoot as much as he wants off the bench and Ulis will be able to set him up all day and be the ball dominant general. They have great chemistry but i think its a better balance since both are good playmakers


The one question is, if Knight can start moving the ball, and we can have guys whip the ball around the perimeter, we have plenty of good shooters, and they can shoot within 2 seconds if wide open or pass. That is a monumental IF regarding Knight though. If anyone can not accept this, they hit the bench.

Best case scenario is Knight either buys in or gets traded, Booker plays like 40+ minutes. Starts with Bledsoe, and when Bledsoe sits, plays with Ulis. Play Warren when Bledsoe is in the game, and when it is Ulis and Booker, play Tucker, then Dudley plays PF, or him and Tucker can switch on guarding people at times. Give the PF rookies very limited minutes but with good defensive guys with them, with Dudley or Tucker at the 3 when they are in, and they can switch if needed, and maybe play Chandler when those guys are in as well.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#297 » by Zelaznyrules » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:30 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Blackification wrote:
rsavaj wrote:Actually on second thought, I kind of like Booker off the bench, because the Booker/Ulis pairing is excellent. And we know that the Bledsoe/Knight pairing works really well too.

The
only pairing I don't want to see is Knight/Booker.

Idk about that one, i never saw them gel. It seemed like they were taking turns almost rather than actively working together to make the offense flow. I think booker in the starting line up will help alleviate the pressure to create for bledsoe. Knight will have free reign to shoot as much as he wants off the bench and Ulis will be able to set him up all day and be the ball dominant general. They have great chemistry but i think its a better balance since both are good playmakers


The one question is, if Knight can start moving the ball, and we can have guys whip the ball around the perimeter, we have plenty of good shooters, and they can shoot within 2 seconds if wide open or pass. That is a monumental IF regarding Knight though. If anyone can not accept this, they hit the bench.

Best case scenario is Knight either buys in or gets traded, Booker plays like 40+ minutes. Starts with Bledsoe, and when Bledsoe sits, plays with Ulis. Play Warren when Bledsoe is in the game, and when it is Ulis and Booker, play Tucker, then Dudley plays PF, or him and Tucker can switch on guarding people at times. Give the PF rookies very limited minutes but with good defensive guys with them, with Dudley or Tucker at the 3 when they are in, and they can switch if needed, and maybe play Chandler when those guys are in as well.


I agree with everything here except the idea of playing Booker 40+ minutes. Gone are the days of the 40 minute player and I don't see Booker as being an exception to that trend. Nobody has averaged 40 minutes since 2010 and last year only 2 players averaged more than 37 minutes (Harden led with 38.14 per). I'd like to see Booker play around 35 minutes at the most. And I think Watson is going to expect him to play hard both ways so even 35 might be pushing it.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#298 » by NTB » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:31 am

carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#299 » by asudevil » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:49 am

bwgood77 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Kevin Nesgoda ‏@KDN4 1h1 hour ago
I’m hearing that the Westbrook to Boston deal is basically in place and now just waiting on the final details to be worked out.

It says this guy is the managing editor of sonicsrising.com. Idk what to think anymore about these trade rumors. Hard to believe rumors from anyone other than Woj, Stein, and Aldridge. Anyway, If it turns out to be true and Westbrook does get traded to the Celtics, I wonder what the package will be. The Celtics definitely can make the best offer of any team because those two Nets picks are about as good of picks as any in the league right now.


If this is true, and I take the rumor with a jug of salt, then they have to get Crowder who is a stud to fill in for Durant, and I guess IT would have to be part of the deal, but definitely Crowder. I think Payne will be good. If they can get a Brooklyn pick that's huge.

I can't see Brad Stevens being a fan of Westbrook, but they are desperate for that star, and if they can get Hayward, he is a good replacement for Crowder next year. They should try to get Robinson too.

I still think there is a good chance this is bogus, but Presti has traded stars nearing the ends of their deals before and has quite a few young pieces in place already. Payne/Dipo/Crowder/Illy or Sabonis/Adams with Kanter off the bench still good a good young core and Brooklyn pick would be a great asset to add a stud. IT to start and be that scorer for a while on a good deal not bad too, but I'm not really a fan.


I cant say that i'm a fan of Thomas either staying in Boston or being traded to OKC. Thomas has become a fan favorite in Boston, but sending him to the bench in favor of Westbrook might be detrimental. And i'm not sure how the two can co-exist on the floor with Westbrook at SG. Both are undersized for those positions.

For OKC....this is tough. For a fanbase that is losing Durant and Westbrook (devastating) within a few weeks, is Crowder/Thomas something they'll get behind? I cant imagine losing 2x top10 players in one offseason. And replacing them with 2 good players is nice, but realistically they are poor-poor-man versions of Durant/Westbrook.

The incentive for a Durant vs. Westbrook and GS vs Boston season might be enough for Boston to overpay a bit for Westbrook.

Crowder/Amir/Brook 2017/Brook 2018 for Westbrook might be the deal that serves both teams the best in the short and long term.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#300 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:53 am

NTB wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BH00sZ4BMVs/

Lol wtf is this :D



It's obvious he wants to be traded to the Cavs...
Sun get-
Channing Frye/ James Jones 2 2nd round picks

Cavs get Tyson Chandler

Let's be realistic, Lebron James can't win championships on his own, who's always been by his side? James Jones. He's the reason the Lebron has rings. James Jones is the goat!!
Sign Amare, bring back Steve Nash.

Nash/LB/Dudley/Frye/Amare + Jones

Let's give it one more run guy!! Duncan retired!! Bowen can't knee Nash in the nuts! No more Horry, we got this!
Damn, offseason is too long... SOOoOOO BORING!!

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