2016 Kings Summer League Thread

[City of Trees]

Wait, what package did the Kings have that could have got them Butler?

WCS doesn't shine in a setting like this. Nothing to see here.

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[City of Trees]

skal was the only positive for the kings this game and maybe dukan (1st half)... still can't believe some people didn't want to trade or inlude wcs in acquiring guys like jimmy butler.. he has been overrated value wise by a lot of the kings fans

Yup we could have got butler even though they denied a Dunn/lavine offer. Lol come on man

I said forcefully in the middle of game one, that this is a passionate fanbase that deserves to feel good about summer league like any other fanbase, and what are we getting instead? Four blow out losses? Questioning whether or not our prized 6th pick from last year is a half efforted kid who will needs to be prodded to be a rotation player with holes? Questioning the 13th pick? Cousins not looking like he's filling the backup pg hole?

I'm not going to be down on the draft as moving back for Bogdanovic and another pick was the right move. And I love Skal, but he was a no duh pick. Richardson can or cannot pan out. But still there are questions about Vlade that will be asked going forward, and I hope it works out

How was skal a no duh pick? He became that after the first 20picks and teams still passed on him. How bout giving Vlade credit at the bare minimum he turned 8 into Skal, bogdan and a serviceable 7footer



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I did give him credit for that trade. I said i preferred Papa/Bogdanovic/Skal to 8 all day, every day.

Skal was consensus at 28, that's why he was the clear pick IMO

It's hard to wonder what could have been with Baldwin, Richardson, Skal, and Bogdanovic next season.

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[PaKwAn]

skal was the only positive for the kings this game and maybe dukan (1st half)... still can't believe some people didn't want to trade or inlude wcs in acquiring guys like jimmy butler.. he has been overrated value wise by a lot of the kings fans

Yup we could have got butler even though they denied a Dunn/lavine offer. Lol come on man

I said forcefully in the middle of game one, that this is a passionate fanbase that deserves to feel good about summer league like any other fanbase, and what are we getting instead? Four blow out losses? Questioning whether or not our prized 6th pick from last year is a half efforted kid who will needs to be prodded to be a rotation player with holes? Questioning the 13th pick? Cousins not looking like he's filling the backup pg hole?

I'm not going to be down on the draft as moving back for Bogdanovic and another pick was the right move. And I love Skal, but he was a no duh pick. Richardson can or cannot pan out. But still there are questions about Vlade that will be asked going forward, and I hope it works out

How was skal a no duh pick? He became that after the first 20picks and teams still passed on him. How bout giving Vlade credit at the bare minimum he turned 8 into Skal, bogdan and a serviceable 7footer



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im not saying actual trades cause we don't really have the assets for that, what I'm saying is some people that make up trades for fun were actually against trading wcs for guys like butler and etc thinking he is more valuable because of the fit with cuz.

[codydaze]

Yup we could have got butler even though they denied a Dunn/lavine offer. Lol come on man




How was skal a no duh pick? He became that after the first 20picks and teams still passed on him. How bout giving Vlade credit at the bare minimum he turned 8 into Skal, bogdan and a serviceable 7footer



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I did give him credit for that trade. I said i preferred Papa/Bogdanovic/Skal to 8 all day, every day.

Skal was consensus at 28, that's why he was the clear pick IMO

It's hard to wonder what could have been with Baldwin, Richardson, Skal, and Bogdanovic next season.

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I think I'd still prefer Denzel Valentine at 13.

[codydaze]

ICuz also looked under control for his first game. His shot wasn't falling but he's huge for a PG and he can run your offense from the looks of it.

Did Cuz throw up any lobs?

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Threw up a nice one to Willie then came down, got to the hole and set up Papa for an easy score the next possession.

[Kings2013]

The good note, as in singular so far, from this camp is that Skal can be one of the top 5 talented players in this class. I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting at PF as a rookie

[City of Trees]

I think I'd still prefer Denzel Valentine at 13.

That probably means no Richardson at #22 tho. Baldwin at least filled a yuge need.

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[enderwilson]

I think Papagiannis looked good in this game. His mobility combined with that size and willingness to play physical ball bodes well for him.

the positives that I've seen from him is he boxes out, his mobility, sets screens and is physical..other than that i see a very raw player.. offensively he looks lost, turnover prone (puts the ball low allowing defenders to swipe at it). i wouldn't give him more than 15 min a game this year...

15 min? That's being generous, and I'm excited to see him develop. However I think that development will come at < 10 min/game when he's not in the D-league this first year. He's still a raw piece of stone. Let Cuz and Vlade chisel him into a bona-fide center and watch him develop in the next 3-4 years. When he's 22, with a good 5 more years before his prime, we should have a fair idea of his trajectory as an NBA project.

[codydaze]

The good note, as in singular so far, from this camp is that Skal can be one of the top 5 talented players in this class. I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting at PF as a rookie

He showed some promise but I wouldn't go that far. He's still got a long way to go strenghtening his body and being able to bang down low against NBA size.

[codydaze]

I think I'd still prefer Denzel Valentine at 13.

That probably means no Richardson at #22 tho. Baldwin at least filled a yuge need.

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True, 22 pick is different but Demetrius Jackson was still there even at 28 so there's other routes we could have gone as far as PG.

[City of Trees]

Labissiere turning heads?

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/07/13/is-skal-labissiere-the-kings-four-of-the-future/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


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[c3j3h]

Yup we could have got butler even though they denied a Dunn/lavine offer. Lol come on man




How was skal a no duh pick? He became that after the first 20picks and teams still passed on him. How bout giving Vlade credit at the bare minimum he turned 8 into Skal, bogdan and a serviceable 7footer



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I did give him credit for that trade. I said i preferred Papa/Bogdanovic/Skal to 8 all day, every day.

Skal was consensus at 28, that's why he was the clear pick IMO

It's hard to wonder what could have been with Baldwin, Richardson, Skal, and Bogdanovic next season.

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For me, it would've been Baldwin or Valentine at #13, Luwawu at #22, Skal at #28, plus Bogdanovic. Hope it works out, but I'm not as high as most Kings fans seem to be on Papagiannis and Malachi.

[City of Trees]

I did give him credit for that trade. I said i preferred Papa/Bogdanovic/Skal to 8 all day, every day.

Skal was consensus at 28, that's why he was the clear pick IMO

It's hard to wonder what could have been with Baldwin, Richardson, Skal, and Bogdanovic next season.

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For me, it would've been Baldwin or Valentine at #13, Luwawu at #22, Skal at #28, plus Bogdanovic. Hope it works out, but I'm not as high as most Kings fans seem to be on Papagiannis and Malachi.

I haven't seen anyone high on Papagiannis. I mean I know SacKingzzz has pointed out a few physical traits he likes and his footwork at times, but even then I dont think he's endorsing Papa as a player he's high on. Might be looking forward to seeing how he develops And that's about it right now.

As for Malachi why dont you share your thoughts? I'm curious because I like what I saw for the most part.

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[City of Trees]

Watching the game, finally.

Papagiannis might be out of shape.

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[City of Trees]

At the half. Cousins looked good for his first run. 1st quarter he found Dukan a number of times. Saw him display good vision and was comfortable enough to tell guys where to be. Idk what that one turnover with WCS was?

Skal looks like he's gonna be the real deal.

Richardson having a quiet game.

Papa is out of shape. Reason for optimism

WCS isn't going 100%. Wonder if they have USA Select team on the mind? He came out strong. As far as I'm concerned no worries over here .

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[c3j3h]

It's hard to wonder what could have been with Baldwin, Richardson, Skal, and Bogdanovic next season.

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For me, it would've been Baldwin or Valentine at #13, Luwawu at #22, Skal at #28, plus Bogdanovic. Hope it works out, but I'm not as high as most Kings fans seem to be on Papagiannis and Malachi.

I haven't seen anyone high on Papagiannis. I mean I know SacKingzzz has pointed out a few physical traits he likes and his footwork at times, but even then I dont think he's endorsing Papa as a player he's high on. Might be looking forward to seeing how he develops And that's about it right now.

As for Malachi why dont you share your thoughts? I'm curious because I like what I saw for the most part.

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I have seen plenty of Kings fans on SacTown Royalty and Reddit that are very high on Papagiannis for some reason. Some people have even gone so far as to say that they think he will be a better version of Marc Gasol...Which is just crazy.

I was not high on Malachi at all going into the draft. He was the one SG that I wanted the Kings to stay away from, so of course they drafted him.

The reason I was so low on Richardson was because his college stats were pretty bad overall. He shot only 37% from the floor in college (39% from 2FG!!!), which is just terrible. He also did not score particularly well in the Advanced Stats, such as PER and BPM, which is not a great sign for a 1st round talent. He didn't play at the level you would expect from a 1st round draft pick, especially not as a Freshman that was a year or 2 older than most other Freshman (he's 20). You would expect that a guy in that situation, that was significantly better than his competition to the point where he was considered the 22nd best prospect in the world, could do better than a 13.8 PER in the Big East and a 3.0 BPM on a team that made the Final 4... I'm big on stats, especially Advanced Stats, and needless to say I was not impressed.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/malachi-richardson-1.html

One concern I have which ties into his college stats a bit is his passing. He does not appear to be much of a playmaker so far. It seems like he is constantly looking for his own shot, and only bothers to pass if he can't get a shot off. That works great if you're Michael Jordan, but Malachi isn't that good. He should be looking to make plays for his teammates, or at least keeping his head up to catch cutters and such. Maybe the coaches are telling him to just chuck? Who knows? But I would feel better if he did a little more playmaking on the court.

Another concern of mine is that he is very right hand dominant. He goes to his right pretty much every time he drives. I don't think I've seen him drive left or finish with his left at all. That's something he's going to need to work on if he wants to be successful in the NBA.

I'll give him credit for having a ton of confidence in himself. He seems like he's a relatively unconscious shooter, as in misses and turnovers don't faze him. I wish Ben McLemore had some more of that in him. He also has elite size for a SG, particularly with his wing span. Hopefully Joerger can transform that into a good wing defender.

I personally would have preferred the Kings to have taken Timothe Luwawu or Patrick McCaw (who I was really high on pre-draft) instead of Malachi. It also seems like Dejounte Murray could've been a steal, even though I wasn't as high on him going into the draft. I hope Malachi turns out great now that he's here, but I'm just not seeing it. He takes a whole lot of bad shots, too many midrange jumpers, and I'm not confident in his abilities as a slasher, ball handler, or playmaker.

Skal Labissiere, on the other hand, has really impressed me. I love what I've seen from him so far. He could turn out to be the best of the bunch from this draft for the Kings, and he could turn himself into a prototypical stretch-4 someday. Maybe a Serge Ibaka with a better jumper? That's quite a ways down the road, though, and is more of a ceiling-type prediction than what I think he will actually become. I would be happy with a more defensive-minded Channing Frye.

[Jkam31]

I think Skal will be better than a defensive minded Fry. Fry will always have a better shot but Skal is showing with his athletiscm he will get points in transition, get to the line more, and he's a threat off the dribble when teams chase him off.


And he's a perfect with with DMC something Vlade I believed mentioned as well. Very good pick and roll defender and shot blocker while stretching the floor.


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[gom]

I'm very disappointed that Derrick Jones Jr. didn't get an opportunity. He's got great hops and looks like a potentially good wing defender.

[City of Trees]

I have seen plenty of Kings fans on SacTown Royalty and Reddit that are very high on Papagiannis for some reason. Some people have even gone so far as to say that they think he will be a better version of Marc Gasol...Which is just crazy.

Yes I saw those same comparisons before he debuted in SL. I think that talk his died down the past few days.

I was not high on Malachi at all going into the draft. He was the one SG that I wanted the Kings to stay away from, so of course they drafted him.

The reason I was so low on Richardson was because his college stats were pretty bad overall. He shot only 37% from the floor in college (39% from 2FG!!!), which is just terrible. He also did not score particularly well in the Advanced Stats, such as PER and BPM, which is not a great sign for a 1st round talent. He didn't play at the level you would expect from a 1st round draft pick, especially not as a Freshman that was a year or 2 older than most other Freshman (he's 20). You would expect that a guy in that situation, that was significantly better than his competition to the point where he was considered the 22nd best prospect in the world, could do better than a 13.8 PER in the Big East and a 3.0 BPM on a team that made the Final 4... I'm big on stats, especially Advanced Stats, and needless to say I was not impressed.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/malachi-richardson-1.html

One concern I have which ties into his college stats a bit is his passing. He does not appear to be much of a playmaker so far. It seems like he is constantly looking for his own shot, and only bothers to pass if he can't get a shot off. That works great if you're Michael Jordan, but Malachi isn't that good. He should be looking to make plays for his teammates, or at least keeping his head up to catch cutters and such. Maybe the coaches are telling him to just chuck? Who knows? But I would feel better if he did a little more playmaking on the court.

Another concern of mine is that he is very right hand dominant. He goes to his right pretty much every time he drives. I don't think I've seen him drive left or finish with his left at all. That's something he's going to need to work on if he wants to be successful in the NBA.

I'll give him credit for having a ton of confidence in himself. He seems like he's a relatively unconscious shooter, as in misses and turnovers don't faze him. I wish Ben McLemore had some more of that in him. He also has elite size for a SG, particularly with his wing span. Hopefully Joerger can transform that into a good wing defender.

I had those same concerns when we drafted him. I remember originally Richarson was slated to go 2nd round but after teams saw him in person he shot up draft boards. My impression is initially teams are scared off by those numbers, just as you and I where, but something was found that says 'hey this guy can play if we can get hin in our system'. What I was hoping you would talk about is how Malachi has played in summer league.

I personally would have preferred the Kings to have taken Timothe Luwawu or Patrick McCaw (who I was really high on pre-draft) instead of Malachi. It also seems like Dejounte Murray could've been a steal, even though I wasn't as high on him going into the draft.

As I've said before I like Malachi so I wouldn't change #22. If you twisted my arm to pick another player I'd say Luwawu or Murray as well. My change at #13 is Baldwin over Papa.

Baldwin, Richardson, Skal

Skal Labissiere, on the other hand, has really impressed me. I love what I've seen from him so far. He could turn out to be the best of the bunch from this draft for the Kings, and he could turn himself into a prototypical stretch-4 someday. Maybe a Serge Ibaka with a better jumper? That's quite a ways down the road, though, and is more of a ceiling-type prediction than what I think he will actually become. I would be happy with a more defensive-minded Channing Frye.

He is looking really good. The intangibles, shooting, defense, athleticism, IQ it's all there. I saw a few passes he had trouble handling, not sure yet if that's a real issue or not. Other than that he just needs to increase size and strength. Both obtainable goals. Future looks bright.


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[City of Trees]

Cousins yelling at Papagiannis to hustle. Wow.

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