Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

[RexBoyWonder]

I think the best bet for us now is to get one of the sixers big men, and get dragic and Mcnuggets off our books. I say this not because I don't like goran (Actually think he is the best PG we had since ............Williams/payton????), but right now we are not going to win the championship in the next two years. If we built our team around the goon Squad (WWJT) and add maybe a Noel/Okafor we would have built our own eastern power house. The beauty is that all of them would only have used up a little less than 35 million in cap space this year and the next.

2016/17

2.5/ Winslow
5.6/ TJ
22.1/ Whiteside
.8/ Richardson

31/ Total money committed to current youth

~5 mill for either Okafor/Noel

That leaves us with Bosh (maybe 23.1) and 50 million left to play with. 73 without Bosh and no state taxes

I am all about securing our long term future once the goldenstate/Cleveland fiasco has ran its course.

Okafor and Noel are there for the taking, and I like both of them as potential key player we can really develop to great pieces in out system due to their age and talents. The issue we face is the fit.

I see zero chance Whiteside and Okafor can share the floor, and we just gave White the Max. Okafor needs space inside, he can't defend PF's, it just won't work.

Noel isn't a natural pairing either, but maybe if he can develop his jumper he could play at PF, he's got the defensive quickness. Still probably no dice. We're just not in a position to trade with Philly.

What we should really looking for is a young scoring/3 point shooting PF that can hit shots and defend.

Personally I've developed a fetish for another Philly player - 25 YO Robert Covington. I really feel he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA. very good defender, very mobile, can really shoot the 3, on an extremely team friendly contract.

I would start him at PF here today if we had him, like him more then James Johnson/Mcbob/Williams.

[SoFlaKingReal]

I think the best bet for us now is to get one of the sixers big men, and get dragic and Mcnuggets off our books. I say this not because I don't like goran (Actually think he is the best PG we had since ............Williams/payton????), but right now we are not going to win the championship in the next two years. If we built our team around the goon Squad (WWJT) and add maybe a Noel/Okafor we would have built our own eastern power house. The beauty is that all of them would only have used up a little less than 35 million in cap space this year and the next.

2016/17

2.5/ Winslow
5.6/ TJ
22.1/ Whiteside
.8/ Richardson

31/ Total money committed to current youth

~5 mill for either Okafor/Noel

That leaves us with Bosh (maybe 23.1) and 50 million left to play with. 73 without Bosh and no state taxes

I am all about securing our long term future once the goldenstate/Cleveland fiasco has ran its course.

Okafor and Noel are there for the taking, and I like both of them as potential key player we can really develop to great pieces in out system due to their age and talents. The issue we face is the fit.

I see zero chance Whiteside and Okafor can share the floor, and we just gave White the Max. Okafor needs space inside, he can't defend PF's, it just won't work.

Noel isn't a natural pairing either, but maybe if he can develop his jumper he could play at PF, he's got the defensive quickness. Still probably no dice. We're just not in a position to trade with Philly.

What we should really looking for is a young scoring/3 point shooting PF that can hit shots and defend.

Personally I've developed a fetish for another Philly player - 25 YO Robert Covington. I really feel he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA. very good defender, very mobile, can really shoot the 3, on an extremely team friendly contract.

I would start him at PF here today if we had him, like him more then James Johnson/Mcbob/Williams.

We need a 3-way deal...

[TMIMITW]

I think the best bet for us now is to get one of the sixers big men, and get dragic and Mcnuggets off our books. I say this not because I don't like goran (Actually think he is the best PG we had since ............Williams/payton????), but right now we are not going to win the championship in the next two years. If we built our team around the goon Squad (WWJT) and add maybe a Noel/Okafor we would have built our own eastern power house. The beauty is that all of them would only have used up a little less than 35 million in cap space this year and the next.

2016/17

2.5/ Winslow
5.6/ TJ
22.1/ Whiteside
.8/ Richardson

31/ Total money committed to current youth

~5 mill for either Okafor/Noel

That leaves us with Bosh (maybe 23.1) and 50 million left to play with. 73 without Bosh and no state taxes

I am all about securing our long term future once the goldenstate/Cleveland fiasco has ran its course.

Okafor and Noel are there for the taking, and I like both of them as potential key player we can really develop to great pieces in out system due to their age and talents. The issue we face is the fit.

I see zero chance Whiteside and Okafor can share the floor, and we just gave White the Max. Okafor needs space inside, he can't defend PF's, it just won't work.

Noel isn't a natural pairing either, but maybe if he can develop his jumper he could play at PF, he's got the defensive quickness. Still probably no dice. We're just not in a position to trade with Philly.

What we should really looking for is a young scoring/3 point shooting PF that can hit shots and defend.

Personally I've developed a fetish for another Philly player - 25 YO Robert Covington. I really feel he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA. very good defender, very mobile, can really shoot the 3, on an extremely team friendly contract.

I would start him at PF here today if we had him, like him more then James Johnson/Mcbob/Williams.

We need a 3-way deal...

I don't mind flipping them once we have them... but to have the cap and money makes things sooooo interesting, I say 3 way deal but with whom and what position!!!!

[RexBoyWonder]

Okafor and Noel are there for the taking, and I like both of them as potential key player we can really develop to great pieces in out system due to their age and talents. The issue we face is the fit.

I see zero chance Whiteside and Okafor can share the floor, and we just gave White the Max. Okafor needs space inside, he can't defend PF's, it just won't work.

Noel isn't a natural pairing either, but maybe if he can develop his jumper he could play at PF, he's got the defensive quickness. Still probably no dice. We're just not in a position to trade with Philly.

What we should really looking for is a young scoring/3 point shooting PF that can hit shots and defend.

Personally I've developed a fetish for another Philly player - 25 YO Robert Covington. I really feel he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA. very good defender, very mobile, can really shoot the 3, on an extremely team friendly contract.

I would start him at PF here today if we had him, like him more then James Johnson/Mcbob/Williams.

We need a 3-way deal...

Problem is Philly must love him too, and they need him to because Noel/Okafor can't shoot and they just added Simmons who can't shoot either.

Only way they let him go is if Saric comes and looks rally good, and even then I'm not sure what we can offer, I don't want to let Jrich go. Covington is easily worth a first round pick from a bunch of other teams.

EDIT : oh, you meant for Okafor or Noel?

Im not sure Heat fans want to trade Whiteside right now..

[TMIMITW]

Yes I was definitely talking about Okafor or Noel.... whiteside is untouchable!

[DeBrosh]

Unless my math is wrong, next season (including the 1st round pick) we'll have 55 mil in cap space, with Bosh, Dragic, Winslow, Richardson, Johnson, and the 1st round hold. If Bosh retires (unlikely this year) that jumps to 80 million.

I don't know if there are super friends out there that want to team up, but I think a full scale rebuild is a bad idea. A lot easier to sell guys on being the missing piece than on being "the guy(s)". I think Dragic and a healthy Bosh can get us to 40-ish wins. Whiteside evolving (read: passing out of the post) might be mid 40's.

[TMIMITW]

We really need updates on Bosh, What is the prognosis, were do we stand? How does he feel now Wade is gone? Is he happy Whiteside is signed?

[gom]

I think the best bet for us now is to get one of the sixers big men, and get dragic and Mcnuggets off our books. I say this not because I don't like goran (Actually think he is the best PG we had since ............Williams/payton????), but right now we are not going to win the championship in the next two years. If we built our team around the goon Squad (WWJT) and add maybe a Noel/Okafor we would have built our own eastern power house. The beauty is that all of them would only have used up a little less than 35 million in cap space this year and the next.

2016/17

2.5/ Winslow
5.6/ TJ
22.1/ Whiteside
.8/ Richardson

31/ Total money committed to current youth

~5 mill for either Okafor/Noel

That leaves us with Bosh (maybe 23.1) and 50 million left to play with. 73 without Bosh and no state taxes

I am all about securing our long term future once the goldenstate/Cleveland fiasco has ran its course.

Okafor and Noel are there for the taking, and I like both of them as potential key player we can really develop to great pieces in out system due to their age and talents. The issue we face is the fit.

I see zero chance Whiteside and Okafor can share the floor, and we just gave White the Max. Okafor needs space inside, he can't defend PF's, it just won't work.

Noel isn't a natural pairing either, but maybe if he can develop his jumper he could play at PF, he's got the defensive quickness. Still probably no dice. We're just not in a position to trade with Philly.

What we should really looking for is a young scoring/3 point shooting PF that can hit shots and defend.

Personally I've developed a fetish for another Philly player - 25 YO Robert Covington. I really feel he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA. very good defender, very mobile, can really shoot the 3, on an extremely team friendly contract.

I would start him at PF here today if we had him, like him more then James Johnson/Mcbob/Williams.

You can't have a "fetish" for Robert Covington. It's not possible.

1. He's alive.
2. Not a part of the body or an "object" (except in the crudest terms).

Craving or lust is possible.

#PedanticGom

#alwaysRememberGibbinsNoIMeanHiggins

[Mos_Heat]

Unless my math is wrong, next season (including the 1st round pick) we'll have 55 mil in cap space, with Bosh, Dragic, Winslow, Richardson, Johnson, and the 1st round hold. If Bosh retires (unlikely this year) that jumps to 80 million.

I don't know if there are super friends out there that want to team up, but I think a full scale rebuild is a bad idea. A lot easier to sell guys on being the missing piece than on being "the guy(s)". I think Dragic and a healthy Bosh can get us to 40-ish wins. Whiteside evolving (read: passing out of the post) might be mid 40's.

Bosh 25 289 390
Hassan 23 775 506
Dragic 17 000 450
TJ 5 881 260
Winslow 2 705 040
J-Rich 1 014 746
Webber 1 014 746

Overall 76 681 138
Projected cap 102 000 000
Cap space 25 318 862

[DeBrosh]

Unless my math is wrong, next season (including the 1st round pick) we'll have 55 mil in cap space, with Bosh, Dragic, Winslow, Richardson, Johnson, and the 1st round hold. If Bosh retires (unlikely this year) that jumps to 80 million.

I don't know if there are super friends out there that want to team up, but I think a full scale rebuild is a bad idea. A lot easier to sell guys on being the missing piece than on being "the guy(s)". I think Dragic and a healthy Bosh can get us to 40-ish wins. Whiteside evolving (read: passing out of the post) might be mid 40's.

Bosh 25 289 390
Hassan 23 775 506
Dragic 17 000 450
TJ 5 881 260
Winslow 2 705 040
J-Rich 1 014 746
Webber 1 014 746

Overall 76 681 138
Projected cap 102 000 000
Cap space 25 318 862

Oh yeah, I forgot Whiteside. I really don't like the contract. Also...are you sure TJ counts $5.8 against the cap, I thought the CBA had a weird rule re: matching a RFA with the "Gilbert Arenas" Rule so it's the literal payment to him not the prorated amount so we have two balloon payments at the end...?

[Mos_Heat]

Unless my math is wrong, next season (including the 1st round pick) we'll have 55 mil in cap space, with Bosh, Dragic, Winslow, Richardson, Johnson, and the 1st round hold. If Bosh retires (unlikely this year) that jumps to 80 million.

I don't know if there are super friends out there that want to team up, but I think a full scale rebuild is a bad idea. A lot easier to sell guys on being the missing piece than on being "the guy(s)". I think Dragic and a healthy Bosh can get us to 40-ish wins. Whiteside evolving (read: passing out of the post) might be mid 40's.

Bosh 25 289 390
Hassan 23 775 506
Dragic 17 000 450
TJ 5 881 260
Winslow 2 705 040
J-Rich 1 014 746
Webber 1 014 746

Overall 76 681 138
Projected cap 102 000 000
Cap space 25 318 862

Oh yeah, I forgot Whiteside. I really don't like the contract. Also...are you sure TJ counts $5.8 against the cap, I thought the CBA had a weird rule re: matching a RFA with the "Gilbert Arenas" Rule so it's the literal payment to him not the prorated amount so we have two balloon payments at the end...?

IDK about it, maybe you are right.

[eddieheatfan]

i just read the hothothoops piece about the heat landing the proverbial whale this year.it would be crazy it pat pulls a multi-trade deal lol

http://www.hothothoops.com/2016/7/13/12184688/russell-westbrook-dwyane-wade-miami-heat-trade-market-whale

[gom]

i just read the hothothoops piece about the heat landing the proverbial whale this year.it would be crazy it pat pulls a multi-trade deal lol

http://www.hothothoops.com/2016/7/13/12184688/russell-westbrook-dwyane-wade-miami-heat-trade-market-whale

yeah, sorry, not buying it, eddie

pat riley is a bad whale hunter

[eddieheatfan]

i just read the hothothoops piece about the heat landing the proverbial whale this year.it would be crazy it pat pulls a multi-trade deal lol

http://www.hothothoops.com/2016/7/13/12184688/russell-westbrook-dwyane-wade-miami-heat-trade-market-whale

yeah, sorry, not buying it, eddie

pat riley is a bad whale hunter

lmao

[Rapaz]

i just read the hothothoops piece about the heat landing the proverbial whale this year.it would be crazy it pat pulls a multi-trade deal lol

http://www.hothothoops.com/2016/7/13/12184688/russell-westbrook-dwyane-wade-miami-heat-trade-market-whale

yeah, sorry, not buying it, eddie

pat riley is a bad whale hunter

At this rate, Pat Riley would have a hell of a time catching sardines.

[NBADraft2003]

Unless my math is wrong, next season (including the 1st round pick) we'll have 55 mil in cap space, with Bosh, Dragic, Winslow, Richardson, Johnson, and the 1st round hold. If Bosh retires (unlikely this year) that jumps to 80 million.

I don't know if there are super friends out there that want to team up, but I think a full scale rebuild is a bad idea. A lot easier to sell guys on being the missing piece than on being "the guy(s)". I think Dragic and a healthy Bosh can get us to 40-ish wins. Whiteside evolving (read: passing out of the post) might be mid 40's.

Go to sleep.

[JWG324]

Unless my math is wrong, next season (including the 1st round pick) we'll have 55 mil in cap space, with Bosh, Dragic, Winslow, Richardson, Johnson, and the 1st round hold. If Bosh retires (unlikely this year) that jumps to 80 million.

I don't know if there are super friends out there that want to team up, but I think a full scale rebuild is a bad idea. A lot easier to sell guys on being the missing piece than on being "the guy(s)". I think Dragic and a healthy Bosh can get us to 40-ish wins. Whiteside evolving (read: passing out of the post) might be mid 40's.

We were one win away from making it to the ECF without arguably our best player. We couldn't sell someone this year that they could easily vault us to the top of the east if you include Bosh and development of our young guys.

So basically, my point is, forget about hoping and praying that a superstar decides to come to our team and just focus on developing our own young core. The best (and fastest) way to do that is to go gull tank mode and get one of the top players in the draft. Once we start developing our young core, then it'll become even easier to attract marquee FAs.

[batterybro42]

The only way I want Westbrook is if we can do so without giving up one of Whiteside, Richardson, or Winslow

That seems incredibly unlikely, so I think I am good on that

[Daffy]

The only way I want Westbrook is if we can do so without giving up one of Whiteside, Richardson, or Winslow

That seems incredibly unlikely, so I think I am good on that

Has Winslow or Richardson shown any glimpse of being betterthan Westbrook, or even equal to him? What if they never end up as good as Westbrook. You guys over hype these guys and get so disappointed when they never turn into elite stars.

[BucksPackers]

Miami gets: MCW and tyreke

Milwaukee gets: Noel and Marshall

76ers get: Dragic and Vaughn

Pelicans get:Monroe and Ennis

You get a young PG for very cheap and an expiring contract of tyreke. This frees up a ton of money for all the 2017 free agents.