Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA

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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#41 » by minnytola1960 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:57 pm

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cochiseuofm wrote:I don't know if I agree with this. I have a lot of friends who are on the fence about liking and watching the NBA and my feeling from them is they lost general interest when Durant signed with GS.


That is purely anecdotal. It would be absurd to think that the quantitative data will say otherwise at the end of the season. The exact same thing happened this year. The debate wasn't about whether the Warriors would beat Cleveland, it was about are they the best team of all-time, better than the 72-win Bulls. To illustrate my point... this year's finals were the most-watched since the Jordan days and, of course, the ratings were high during the Heat's "big three" run. People absolutely love watching seemingly unbeatable teams.


Agreed. I think there's a misconception among many sports fans that more parity = more interest. When it reality, the years that feature the most open playing fields like 2006 Heat vs. Mavericks finals or the 2007 Cavs vs. Spurs finals usually generate the lowest ratings and the lowest amount of interest. Same thing goes for other sports as well. I've heard so many baseball fans say that the Royals vs Mets WS matchup of underdogs was such a beautiful thing for the game last year, yet it generated horrible ratings and very few outside of fans of the teams involved or hardcore baseball fans cared about it.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#42 » by MoMan24 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:08 pm

Green takes shots at the Cavs when they won last year during the parade I believe. He has been in many questionable situations these playoffs, and routinely gets in other players faces, and is always showing his displeasure with the refs in a major way. Klay says Mozgov's screen was dirty, walks of the court before game 6 ends and shakes no hands after losing game 7, him and his dad take shots at James. Curry throws his mouthpiece at a fan when he gets fouled out, and his wife says the league is rigged. Curry also for a guy who has struggled a lot still manages to celebrate when things go well, yet is awfully quite when things don't go his way. Saying "I'm back" or holding up 7 fingers after Klay saved the season. I don't dislike them or anything but to say the are humble is a load of crap. Btw this all happened in the span of weeks when they faced a lot of adversity, where we find out who you are and what you are made of.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#43 » by bmurph128 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:23 pm

I don't know why this would turn any fan off honestly...

You have the same groups that you always have:

Contenders - this group is the same as the end of last year minus the Thunder - Clippers/Spurs/Raptors/Warriors/Cavs


Other playoff teams/young or treadmill - Hawks/Rockets/Grizzlies/Thunder/Celtics/Pistons/Blazers/Pacers/Hornets

Up and coming - T Wolves/Jazz/Wizards/Magic/Bucks/Knicks/Pelicans/Nuggets/Bulls?

Bad/Tanking - Heat/76ers/Kings/Nets/Lakers/Bulls?/Suns


This year a contender will fall out and there will be a surprise or two, just like every year. The only difference about this year is that there is a clear cut two best teams in the NBA - but really, everyone thought that was the case last year too with the Warriors and Spurs, right? And how did that go?

So let's wait, see and watch what happens - if I'm a Wolves fan I'm still STOKED for this year despite the looming 6 losses to the Warriors and Cavs - it's only 6 games - which means its 76 other games against everyone else.

As far as the playoffs go...don't watch the first two round...but I guarantee one of either the Cavs or Warriors will have a tough playoff series at some point before the finals and people will watch.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#44 » by The411 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:31 pm

Skin wrote:It's terrible for the NBA because parity doesn't exist. This is why the NBA will never reach NFL levels of interest in this country.


Parity has nothing to do with it. The NFL only has 16 regular season games. The NFL's popularity has to do with physicality of the sport as well the fact everyone knows when teams play. It's an issue of scarcity 1 NFL game per week allows people to stay focused on the game while allowing time off to do everything.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#45 » by improper » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:32 pm

minnytola1960 wrote:Agreed. I think there's a misconception among many sports fans that more parity = more interest. When it reality, the years that feature the most open playing fields like 2006 Heat vs. Mavericks finals or the 2007 Cavs vs. Spurs finals usually generate the lowest ratings and the lowest amount of interest. Same thing goes for other sports as well. I've heard so many baseball fans say that the Royals vs Mets WS matchup of underdogs was such a beautiful thing for the game last year, yet it generated horrible ratings and very few outside of fans of the teams involved or hardcore baseball fans cared about it.


The best thing for the league is a handful of really good, really marketable teams. I think Durant going to the Warriors was ultimately bad for the league simply because it removed a great rivalry (OKC/GS) and removed a contender from the field. I think the hit to the Thunder's ratings will be greater than the boon to the Warriors' ratings, especially when you factor in that interest in the NBA was already at an all-time high since Jordan was in his prime. When you go from four high level contenders to two, it inevitably hurts the league.

I do think a lot of people will hate watch the Warriors just like they hate watched the Heat six years ago, but ultimately most of those people were watching anyway. I don't think Durant going to Golden State is going to bring in many new eyeballs. I mean, we just came off of the most watched Finals since the Bulls were winning titles. I just don't see Durant going to Golden State changing much in that regard.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#46 » by cochiseuofm » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:48 pm

oikosnomos wrote:You know, when Lebron went to Miami, I thought to myself "I'm done with the NBA". I then proceeded to watch and root for the Cavs to win and Miami to lose.


Yes but you, like me, probably love the NBA and pro basketball. The friends I am talking about don't.

Cuban's point seems to be that the NBA will become more popular because of this move. To get more popular, the league needs to obtain new fans, not just retain the ones it already has, like us. So my point was it feels like lukewarm fans are likely to be turned off by a seemingly less competitive league. But I am of course only basing that on how people I know are reacting so could be wrong.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#47 » by cochiseuofm » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:51 pm

minnytola1960 wrote:
JohnnyNightrain wrote:
cochiseuofm wrote:I don't know if I agree with this. I have a lot of friends who are on the fence about liking and watching the NBA and my feeling from them is they lost general interest when Durant signed with GS.


That is purely anecdotal. It would be absurd to think that the quantitative data will say otherwise at the end of the season. The exact same thing happened this year. The debate wasn't about whether the Warriors would beat Cleveland, it was about are they the best team of all-time, better than the 72-win Bulls. To illustrate my point... this year's finals were the most-watched since the Jordan days and, of course, the ratings were high during the Heat's "big three" run. People absolutely love watching seemingly unbeatable teams.


Agreed. I think there's a misconception among many sports fans that more parity = more interest. When it reality, the years that feature the most open playing fields like 2006 Heat vs. Mavericks finals or the 2007 Cavs vs. Spurs finals usually generate the lowest ratings and the lowest amount of interest. Same thing goes for other sports as well. I've heard so many baseball fans say that the Royals vs Mets WS matchup of underdogs was such a beautiful thing for the game last year, yet it generated horrible ratings and very few outside of fans of the teams involved or hardcore baseball fans cared about it.


But you're only citing championship ratings...what about regular season attendance and ratings for every team? I mean I have no doubt people will tune in to watch a team with the best record ever go for a title, but are they watching 82 games or close of their own hometown team? Are they caring at all about the game before the playoffs? I doubt all the NBA is out for is high ratings for their Finals.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#48 » by oikosnomos » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:52 pm

cochiseuofm wrote:
oikosnomos wrote:You know, when Lebron went to Miami, I thought to myself "I'm done with the NBA". I then proceeded to watch and root for the Cavs to win and Miami to lose.


Yes but you, like me, probably love the NBA and pro basketball. The friends I am talking about don't.

Cuban's point seems to be that the NBA will become more popular because of this move. To get more popular, the league needs to obtain new fans, not just retain the ones it already has, like us. So my point was it feels like lukewarm fans are likely to be turned off by a seemingly less competitive league. But I am of course only basing that on how people I know are reacting so could be wrong.


Fair point, but if they don't have a team interest, why would a higher profile team drive them away? Why would they care if a Dallas or OKC or Clippers are less competitive? I don't know a lot of lukewarm fans that watch multiple teams. Just high profile games, which could extend to Bulls and Knicks games if we are just looking for names.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#49 » by Nate505 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:25 pm

It might.

To me though, if this makes any sense, is that I don't hate the warriors. I hate Durant so thus I will root against the warriors, but I can't fault them for signing him.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#50 » by King of Canada » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:27 pm

Mark Cuban is going to be thinking the opposite when his team gets swept in round 1
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Post#51 » by sfhand » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:58 pm

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That team is anything but humble. And I'm not talking about their on-the-court antics at all. Strictly off-the-court.

It's funny how much the media has warped and distorted reality for a lot of people.


another Cavs fan heard from...


The team I root for doesn't change the off-the-court arrogance that has been displayed by Curry, Green, and Klay.


So... now your perceptions are universal truths... I think your bias is showing.

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Post#52 » by inquisitive » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:32 pm

it makes the nba even more interesting. i hope there will be another superteam in the west this year.
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Post#53 » by Vee-Rex » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:54 pm

sfhand wrote:
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another Cavs fan heard from...


The team I root for doesn't change the off-the-court arrogance that has been displayed by Curry, Green, and Klay.


So... now your perceptions are universal truths... I think your bias is showing.

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Are you denying that Curry, Green, and Klay have shown arrogance with a lack of humility off the court? :lol:
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Post#54 » by suntzuballin » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:54 pm

Wouldn't say villan imo Durant wants that(which I won't give him/gs that) for being the humble superstar for all these years.There not a villain team there a cope out of playing defensive and just being offensive mostly shooting3's

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Post#55 » by suntzuballin » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:00 pm

Remember Durant saying in a playoff presser gs makes bad shots and he wants to be apart of that...

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Post#56 » by sfhand » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:02 pm

Vee-Rex wrote:
sfhand wrote:
Vee-Rex wrote:
The team I root for doesn't change the off-the-court arrogance that has been displayed by Curry, Green, and Klay.


So... now your perceptions are universal truths... I think your bias is showing.

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Are you denying that Curry, Green, and Klay have shown arrogance with a lack of humility off the court? :lol:


Are you saying that unless a person is humble at all times they are arrogant? Comparing the body of work of any of those 3 to, say, Lebron, I would say they are resoundingly NOT arrogant (and I would say GS fans aren't suffering from Stockholm syndrome as well). Compared to Gandhi most of us are extremely arrogant.
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Post#57 » by bleu » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:16 pm

Black Jack wrote:This team has holes. A lot of the bellyaching is silly. we saw LeBron bully the dubs physically, Durant doesn't solve that. Plus we lost Bogut who was a bigger factor than given credit for, and bench strength.

Stop whining.


Yeah dude, I feel really bad for your team who has 4 of the 12 basketball players (and 2 of the top 3) alive, just came off of a 73 win season, and just replaced Harrison POS Barnes with Kevin Durant. You guys are the underdog for sure.
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Post#58 » by Vee-Rex » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:23 pm

sfhand wrote:
Vee-Rex wrote:
sfhand wrote:
So... now your perceptions are universal truths... I think your bias is showing.

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Are you denying that Curry, Green, and Klay have shown arrogance with a lack of humility off the court? :lol:


Are you saying that unless a person is humble at all times they are arrogant? Comparing the body of work of any of those 3 to, say, Lebron, I would say they are resoundingly NOT arrogant (and I would say GS fans aren't suffering from Stockholm syndrome as well). Compared to Gandhi most of us are extremely arrogant.


They've all been arrogant enough times that we really can't call them humble. Winning does that.

LeBron has been a success for far longer than Curry/Klay/Green. He's obviously arrogant. Most superstars have lacked humility, and that's what I'm telling you.

Curry/Klay/Green aren't the humble golden-boys that you want them to be, whether or not they're as arrogant as LeBron.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA 

Post#59 » by TheAlchemist » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:36 pm

After the Toronto series, and the way Lebron came out so classy calling our fans and organization great, i've been a believer.

No lie, almost got tears in my eyes to see him collapse in tears when he won the championship for cleveland.

He is a legend and the best player in the league. Still is today.

I'm cheering for him to take it to the Warriors and solidify his legendary greatness.

And he will. He's the good guy now ;)
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Post#60 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:35 pm

Super teams is nothing new in Basketball. Ever since the NBA has existed there has been super teams. The 63 Celtics have 9 guys that made the Hall of Fame. Showtime Lakers were a super team, Bird's Celtics were a super team. It seems like all the great teams people talk about and love about the NBA were super teams. So everyone complaining and saying they won't watch basketball now because there is a super team is stupid. We just had the most watched finals since MJ. I can guarantee if it's Warriors and Cavs again the ratings will be even higher. And during the regular season the Warriors will crush the ratings again even though they're a West coast team

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