CJ Wilcox Traded to Orlando

[mkwest]

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[Goner]

Lol we essentially drafted "Cash", then.

[Nyce_1]

If you keep Marble, he's a nice defender that has a knack for getting steals. Can't shoot for **** though.

[nickhx2]

feels like we're doing this to cut marble, keep pierce and dawson.

i.e. pierce has signaled he's coming back.

[Forte IV]

Well **** ****

[og15]

If you keep Marble, he's a nice defender that has a knack for getting steals. Can't shoot for **** though.

We probably won't.

CJ was not in a good position to get minutes here, he just never had a chance. He's been the 5th guard on the team his whole time here, even lower last season, and he's just a SG, can't play PG or SF, and everyone ahead of him is just much better.

[Orlwillbeback]

If you keep him and he gets in the game, get ready to see some bricks...

[Neddy]

got a little excited to read a second round pick from Orlando, but it turns out the pick was originally given to the Magic from Cleveland. so we essestially traded CJ for 59th pick of 2020. we could have signed just as good of a player as an undrafted rookie free agent...

[nickhx2]

i think they probably decided they were gonna cut either dawson or wilcox to keep pierce, and they decided dawson was the better choice.

or possibly the two were about the same value to the team but wilcox was the only player who would've returned value in a trade.

[Ranma]

Lol we essentially drafted "Cash", then.

Nope. We included cash along with Wilcox in order to get the privilege of waiving Marble to save cap space plus a negligible 2nd-round pick in 2020. The Warriors purchased the 38th overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft from Milwaukee to draft Patrick McCaw while the Clippers were inclined to trade down to 39th and 40th overall from 33rd overall. Chalk this up as another wasted draft selection and the premium to pay for Doc putting himself in such a bad position with the salary cap that he has to give up cash and/or assets in order to free up wiggle room for a minor move in the future. This seems like a recurring cycle now.

I recall that during the draft the Clippers were not inclined to purchase draft picks, which bothered me given that we have Ballmer's deep pockets. Now we know why. I believe there is just over a $3-million limit to the amount of cash we can include in transactions during a calendar year, which would explain our reluctance to utilize such resources during the draft. On the one hand, we have the Golden State Warriors purchasing a 2nd-round pick in a deep draft class, while on the other, we have the Clippers instead sending such cash to cover up for Doc's previous transgressions. No wonder Durant chose to go to Nor. Cal. despite supposedly being "blown away" with our presentation after seeing the big picture.

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[Neddy]

the GM Doc is a laugher.

[nickhx2]

remember doc at the time? "we need shooters! never have enough shooters!"

actually, we needed bigs and wings who might have developed into rotation players. but ya, shooters

[Ranma]

My how times have changed yet things still remain the same. Doc basically called both Bullock and Wilcox as the BPA at their respective draft positions and, contrary to his apologists' delusions, that was clearly not the case in either of those instances. Bullock was drafted because Doc had extensive exposure to him since Austin played against him a lot during the Duke-UNC rivalry matchups. If that doesn't signify Bullock as a hand-picked selection of Doc's, then maybe the fact that he wore #25, Doc's NBA jersey number, should be enough to convince the still stubborn excuse-makers on Doc's behalf; Bullock wore #35 as a Tar Heel. As nickhx2 pointed out, Doc put a premium on shooters regardless of limited upside to the point of classifying them as BPA. Seriously, this is the guy leading our basketball operations.

Fast-forward to today, Doc is now saying that he defers to scouts who watch more basketball than him after drafting Brice Johnson, David Michineau, and Diamond Stone. While the prospects are different in type from Bullock and Wilcox, there remains some Doc influences. Johnson, like Bullock before him, just happens to be another UNC product who played for CP3's AAU team. Doc went off the consensus draft board with his selections by taking Brice 25th overall when most projected him in the 2nd round. Michineau was seen as a likely undrafted free agent. Stone was the only player taken who was seen as a value pick at 40th overall.

While I'm somewhat glad to hear Doc the GM making progress in learning on the job, he's doing so at a snail's pace and is still behind the curve. I could make a solid case that my draft acumen is light years ahead of Doc's despite not even following the draft that closely this year. If this guy can't get us over the hump to win a championship, than he's a detriment in the front office. The only saving grace is that Lawrence Frank has recently been elevated to a high position in the front office with hopefully more influence in our draft strategies and personnel matters.

Phil Collin, Los Angeles Daily News (7/8/13)

Standing alongside, the jersey bore No. 25, the same number new Clippers' coach Doc Rivers wore during his NBA career, which included a one-season stop with the Clippers.
...

But the Clippers do know what they have in Bullock, who left North Carolina after his junior year.

Rivers, whose son Austin played for Duke, has seen the 6-foot-7 Bullock extensively. He fits in with the Clippers' search for 3-point shooting and perimeter defense.

And as a youngster, Bullock played for Paul's AAU team in North Carolina.

"I've known (Rivers) for awhile and it's great to just have someone like that, like another father figure in my life," Bullock said. "He definitely rooted against me for a year, and now he's been rooting for me for a while.

"I played for Chris Paul's first AAU team, 15-and-under. He was a great person in my life, he's helped me through the process, training and traveling around with the team."

Clippers Introduce Reggie Bullock, the Team's 2013 First-Round Draft Pick

remember doc at the time? "we need shooters! never have enough shooters!"

actually, we needed bigs and wings who might have developed into rotation players. but ya, shooters

Robert Morales, Long Beach Press-Telegram (6/26/14)

“I just talked to Doc not too long ago and defense was the first thing he brought up,” Wilcox said during a telephone interview with reporters at the Clippers’ headquarters in Playa Vista. “It’s something I’m definitely capable of doing, so you know, that comes first. Definitely, my ability to shoot the ball is going to help stretch the floor, you know, help Chris Paul and some of the other guys get going and make their jobs a little bit easier.

“Kind of do my part, fill my role and go from there.”
...

However, Rivers seemed nothing but happy to get Wilcox, who was a fifth-year senior last season for the Huskies.

“He’s a great shooter,” Rivers said. “You know I value shooting. You know, when you’re at 28, I don’t think you can afford to pick what needs you have. I have never thought that.”

Rivers pointed to last season when he selected small forward Reggie Bullock even though that position was not a need at the time. And with shooting guards J.J. Redick and Jamal Crawford in the current fold, the Clippers didn’t necessarily need another one.

“We have Jamal and J.J., but he’s the best player,” Rivers said. “I think you can always make it work whem you can get the best player. And I thought as far as shooting, in this league you need it; you can never have enough of it. I’m a big believer of it.

“I thought he may have been the best shooter in the draft. If not No. 1, No. 2.”

Clippers Take Shooting Guard C.J. Wilcox at No. 28 in NBA Draft

[og15]

Well we all thought Wilcox was a poor pick at the time based on the roster. Even if he was an okay NBA player he could only have gotten a chance if Redick or Jamal left. When he was drafted the team still had Bullock there ahead of him, then we added Austin who is also better and younger than him. Doc first talked to him about defense, but the guy was not known for being good on defense.

There was a very non realistic chance Redick was going anywhere, and as we see now, Doc can't let go of Jamal. It was clearly a bad pick based on the teams situation, it's not like he had upside either, where you can justify taking a redundant player position wise b/c he can develop to be better than the guys ahead of him, he was like 23 as a rookie and is like 26 years old now.

He should have been traded already tbh. I have nothing against the guy, but I just never saw how he was supposed to get minutes. He might even be good, who really knows, right? Hard when you are a one position player on a team with two guys who are just better.

[TucsonClip]

Saw this trade coming on draft night. He was never going to get PT on a roster with CP3, JJ and Jamal, let alone when Doc traded for Austin.
Remarkably, this is a good move for us though.

[mttwlsn16]

Good for CJ, with Oladipo in OKC he should get some run on the Magic.

[Roscoe Sheed]

My how times have changed yet things still remain the same. Doc basically called both Bullock and Wilcox as the BPA at their respective draft positions and, contrary to his apologists' delusions, that was clearly not the case in either of those instances. Bullock was drafted because Doc had extensive exposure to him since Austin played against him a lot during the Duke-UNC rivalry matchups. If that doesn't signify Bullock as a hand-picked selection of Doc's, then maybe the fact that he wore #25, Doc's NBA jersey number, should be enough to convince the still stubborn excuse-makers on Doc's behalf; Bullock wore #35 as a Tar Heel. As nickhx2 pointed out, Doc put a premium on shooters regardless of limited upside to the point of classifying them as BPA. Seriously, this is the guy leading our basketball operations.

Fast-forward to today, Doc is now saying that he defers to scouts who watch more basketball than him after drafting Brice Johnson, David Michineau, and Diamond Stone. While the prospects are different in type from Bullock and Wilcox, there remains some Doc influences. Johnson, like Bullock before him, just happens to be another UNC product who played for CP3's AAU team. Doc went off the consensus draft board with his selections by taking Brice 25th overall when most projected him in the 2nd round. Michineau was seen as a likely undrafted free agent. Stone was the only player taken who was seen as a value pick at 40th overall.

While I'm somewhat glad to hear Doc the GM making progress in learning on the job, he's doing so at a snail's pace and is still behind the curve. I could make a solid case that my draft acumen is light years ahead of Doc's despite not even following the draft that closely this year. If this guy can't get us over the hump to win a championship, than he's a detriment in the front office. The only saving grace is that Lawrence Frank has recently been elevated to a high position in the front office with hopefully more influence in our draft strategies and personnel matters.

Phil Collin, Los Angeles Daily News (7/8/13)

Standing alongside, the jersey bore No. 25, the same number new Clippers' coach Doc Rivers wore during his NBA career, which included a one-season stop with the Clippers.
...

But the Clippers do know what they have in Bullock, who left North Carolina after his junior year.

Rivers, whose son Austin played for Duke, has seen the 6-foot-7 Bullock extensively. He fits in with the Clippers' search for 3-point shooting and perimeter defense.

And as a youngster, Bullock played for Paul's AAU team in North Carolina.

"I've known (Rivers) for awhile and it's great to just have someone like that, like another father figure in my life," Bullock said. "He definitely rooted against me for a year, and now he's been rooting for me for a while.

"I played for Chris Paul's first AAU team, 15-and-under. He was a great person in my life, he's helped me through the process, training and traveling around with the team."

Clippers Introduce Reggie Bullock, the Team's 2013 First-Round Draft Pick

remember doc at the time? "we need shooters! never have enough shooters!"

actually, we needed bigs and wings who might have developed into rotation players. but ya, shooters

Robert Morales, Long Beach Press-Telegram (6/26/14)

“I just talked to Doc not too long ago and defense was the first thing he brought up,” Wilcox said during a telephone interview with reporters at the Clippers’ headquarters in Playa Vista. “It’s something I’m definitely capable of doing, so you know, that comes first. Definitely, my ability to shoot the ball is going to help stretch the floor, you know, help Chris Paul and some of the other guys get going and make their jobs a little bit easier.

“Kind of do my part, fill my role and go from there.”
...

However, Rivers seemed nothing but happy to get Wilcox, who was a fifth-year senior last season for the Huskies.

“He’s a great shooter,” Rivers said. “You know I value shooting. You know, when you’re at 28, I don’t think you can afford to pick what needs you have. I have never thought that.”

Rivers pointed to last season when he selected small forward Reggie Bullock even though that position was not a need at the time. And with shooting guards J.J. Redick and Jamal Crawford in the current fold, the Clippers didn’t necessarily need another one.

“We have Jamal and J.J., but he’s the best player,” Rivers said. “I think you can always make it work whem you can get the best player. And I thought as far as shooting, in this league you need it; you can never have enough of it. I’m a big believer of it.

“I thought he may have been the best shooter in the draft. If not No. 1, No. 2.”

Clippers Take Shooting Guard C.J. Wilcox at No. 28 in NBA Draft

Brice Johnson seems like a good pick even in the late first round. He has the size and skill to be a solid pro

[Ranma]

Brice Johnson seems like a good pick even in the late first round. He has the size and skill to be a solid pro

I've said this quite a few times before: I like Brice Johnson as a prospect. In fact, he was one of my early targets for the 25th overall pick in draft threads. My problem is with Doc's asset management. It's similar to Doc trading Bledsoe for Redick and Dudley. I obviously like Redick but we should have also gotten Tobias Harris in trading Bledsoe. The Magic were hot and heavy for E-Bled at the time and Redick could have easily been included in the deal since Orlando had the cap space to facilitate the sign-and-trade portion with Milwaukee.

Brice was projected by most mock drafts as a 2nd-round prospect given his inconsistent motor and concerns with his work ethic. There was a chance that he would have been taken later in the 1st-round, but more likely than not, he was probably going to be available with the 33rd overall pick. While I obviously prefer Brice, both he and Ben Bentil--a somewhat similar prospect in scouts' eyes--would have been available. I personally didn't like Bentil that much but both he and Brice were seen with similar values.

Korkmaz likely won't even play this coming season given his buyout but he could pay off big down the line. An argument could be made for Deyonta Davis in terms of value as a lottery pick who fell down the board. While I personally like Brice over Davis, a case could easily be made in favor of Davis given the upside aspect and similar production at PF. Skal Labissierre was another possible lottery pick who fell down the draft board, but I've never been sold on him since I feel his upside is overhyped.

Brice Johnson is our best 1st-round draft pick in the Doc Rivers era, but that is not saying much with Reggie Bullock and C.J. Wilcox in comparison. This team has to maximize our opportunities whenever they are available given the resources and assets Doc has squandered during his time here. We have to take BPA and, while Brice could prove to be that down the road, there were plenty of other prospects ranked ahead of him and a likelihood of him being available later on.

[Roscoe Sheed]

^
I agree that Doc has made some poor decisions as GM, that is for sure.

However, I just was stating that Brice Johnson actually seems to be one of his staff's good decisions.

[thanumba2clippersfan]

I didn't think that CJ would last here. Like many of you have said he wasn't going to play over JJ or Jamal. Hopefully now he will get a chance to play with the Magic. Also this move was made to save cap space.